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So how does Splatoon keep its 60fps?
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EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Because the texture resolution, geometry complexity, character models, audio samples, and calculation complexity of the ink splatter (no, it is not infinitely layering liquid physics) is all simple enough and reasonably balanced for the Wii U's hardware strengths and weaknesses.
Fahrenheit
Banned
Nintendo is really good at art that fits the power of the WiiU. Also i'll take 60fps over graphics anytime. Hope it starts a trend for the other consoles.
Sure the Wii U can, look at MK8.
But yea in games like drive club I would gladly sacrifice some of those graphics for 60fps.
By being sub-HD.
But yeah, Splatoon has small maps and relatively few characters on screen. The game still looks really nice and i'm happy Nintendo is prioritizing framerate and gamplay. I really love the character design. They all wear a different shirt and sneakers. I hope they lets us customize them, having unlocks etc.
Just look at them sneakers!
Fahrenheit
Banned
Not sure what you mean by both? I mean both the Xbone and PS4 are really not up to snuff for 1080p@60fps for "good" texture resolution and filters.
Sirolf
Member
*cough* Uncharted *cough*
Fahrenheit
Banned
Why are you coughing? Why would you type out your coughing? Is this a thing? Type out stuff like that?
Anyways, we got a long ways to go till we see that game running. Uncharted had a huge downgrade in retail from what they shown at E3.
Maybe. They are "targeting", like they are targeting TLOU Remaster to be 60fps. So is TLOU 60fps or is it still unknown at this point?
SpecialAgentZ
Member
Because their priority is gameplay and polish before, bells and whistles later.
This is the true Nintendo Magic
I don't doubt they can, but so far everything we've seen is flash over substance with developer after developer failing to implement it. Some use ridiculous excuses for the reasons they did so, like that it was their artistic decision for example.
The WiiU may 'can' and may also 'can't', but so far it's the only console that cares to release game after game on 60 fps.
And yes, Splatoon is not really demanding, but it looks dope and runs smooth, and all that because the developers that work on it want to release a good gameplay experience with balanced gameplay, visuals and performance, while others, sadly if i may add, only care to pump up the visuals so the game can generate good stills for marketing purposes, not caring if the game performs like crap.
This is not Nintendo defense. It counts for other developers too. As a PS4 owner i remember threads full of posts of why Ground Zeroes 'doesn't look like a next gen game'.
Well it looks great to me and also manages to run smoothly at 60fps, how about that?
the Wii U can't what exactly?
I'm not sure what he means with "can't". Nintendo released a ton of games that run at 60fps.
Anyway, MGS:TPP is not "next-gen" enough, because mostly of the character models and dithering, which comes from the PS3 version, in other words, being a cross gen title hurts the graphics.
Imo it still looks very nice, especially in motion and 60fps is a huge plus in my book.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
It's a good thing that good art trumps technical every day of the week then
Yes, but this thread is about the technical side. And the answer is that the game is quite simplistic.
Is the nah nah nah I can't hear you answer when confronted with facts, that nintendo magic indeed.
paradise_circus
Member
Upcoming Blockbusters like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Halo, Metal Gear Solid, Alien, Diablo, Fifa are 60fps.
Mohonky
Member
Art married with technical know how. The game doesnt look all that taxing to be honest, but balancing technical proficiency with good artistic vision has certainly been paying dividends for Nintendos massively unpowered console.
Personally I have no problem jumping from Wii U to PC and back again, PC games look more 'busy' in how intricate they can be, but there is also something to be said for bold simplicity that has its charm and I think its Nintendo has balanced well on many of its titles achieving good looking, well performing tirles on modest hardware.
Personally I have no problem jumping from Wii U to PC and back again, PC games look more 'busy' in how intricate they can be, but there is also something to be said for bold simplicity that has its charm and I think its Nintendo has balanced well on many of its titles achieving good looking, well performing tirles on modest hardware.
It just seems very efficient:
The visual style allows them to get away with few, low color depth textures, decals are high resolution but use only one or two colors, geometry is just as dense as it needs to be. But that efficiency allows them to do fun things like 3D fluid dynamics while still maintaining 60 frames per second.
The visual style allows them to get away with few, low color depth textures, decals are high resolution but use only one or two colors, geometry is just as dense as it needs to be. But that efficiency allows them to do fun things like 3D fluid dynamics while still maintaining 60 frames per second.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
It just seems very efficient:
The visual style allows them to get away with few, low color depth textures, decals are high resolution but use only one or two colors, geometry is just as dense as it needs to be. But that efficiency allows them to do fun things like 3D fluid dynamics while still maintaining 60 frames per second.
Are there actually any fluid dynamics in this game though? You don't have any ink flowing around, it just statically splatters where it hits. And the ink shooting doesn't look more advanced than the water shooting in Super Mario Sunshine two console generations ago.
HolyBaikal
Banned
Well, it is developed by Nintendo. So I'm sure that they know their own hardware very well and would be very good and doing nice things with it.
It is a very simplistic game that actually doesnt really need too much complexity in the maps because that would probably make harder navigate in the ink.
Personally i think that it could be possible a 3DS version, and would love to see one, but of course the problem with the second stick is there, even if I enjoyed quite a lot of hours playing Kid Icarus multiplayer.
EDIT: This has not fluid dynamics at all, and it doesnt need them. Just a new way to use the Super Mario Sunshine painting technology.
Personally i think that it could be possible a 3DS version, and would love to see one, but of course the problem with the second stick is there, even if I enjoyed quite a lot of hours playing Kid Icarus multiplayer.
EDIT: This has not fluid dynamics at all, and it doesnt need them. Just a new way to use the Super Mario Sunshine painting technology.
Look at the screenshot. The ink blobs are 3D objects, no two blobs look the same, the impacts are also 3D and all look different, seemingly reflecting the speed and angle of the impact.
Indeed, there are fluid dynamics there that pretty much result to mapping after it settles, but there are fluids on screen at all times.
That's exactly how it appears to work. Either way, the tech is nothing like what we've seen in Sunshine as far as I can tell.
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Deleted member 125677
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EAD is no scrubs when it comes to optimizing software.
And by starting by setting goals for gameplay experience with the hardware limitations at hand, instead of blindly aiming for maximum eye candy
And by starting by setting goals for gameplay experience with the hardware limitations at hand, instead of blindly aiming for maximum eye candy
Except it still displays in 60fps, and the duplicated frame only happens when you have CPU opponents for some reason.
A pulled back camera is actually more demanding because it increases the field of view, so the system has more stuff to render.
Fahrenheit
Banned
Do any of them games look great? I don't really think so though I haven't seen Fifa so maybe that game will break the trend. And I think 60fps over next gen graphics is the right move. I just dont think the laptop APUs in these consoles can give both.
Yeah, but they really are fairly low poly. And you can get away with low poly characters if they appear small, of course. Another case of Nintendo getting their priorities straight.
I agree. What i'm saying is that in this case, polycount is maybe higher than other models irrelevant of size. Actually these models + their paintguns probably have higher polycount than say a Mario model.
Mostly, internally developed Nintendo games are always impressive from a technical standpoint, even on inferior hardware. Give the same concept to Ubisoft, EA or Activision and see the crap they come up with, it's like they're not even trying.
Portugeezer
Member
Simple graphics and I'm guessing Nintendo wanted 60fps from day one.
This. They take their work very seriously and try to come up with the best product regardless of the power ıf the hardware.
If it's anything like the similar tech used in sunshine (and that's one thing to consider, they basically had the same thing running two gens ago, reproducing it now is technologically easy) it's not deferred decals, but it's nothing power-heavy either. Basically for each paintable surface there's a paint texture layer the paint guns "write to, and if necessary (just specific places in sunshine) they add a displaceable grid on top of that for the paint thickness. Only some small splatter is decals.
It's a bit less simple than that. The camera drives both what's visible and the detail you need, but the detail is also driven by gameplay, so for example for the paint layers a pulled back camera will mean you need less texture resolution for a given area, while bringing the camera close will mean increasing the resolution but, because of gameplay, still having to cover the same global area, which means memory consumption will actually go up. There's a balance to strike.
Ulysses 31
Member
With some it seems more like they also calculated how little they can deliver and still get enough people to buy into it.