No official ports . Sonic CD came out on almost everything and sonic 1 and 2 were on IOS. Sonic 2 even restored hidden palace zone.
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Sonic Mania (8-15-2017, SEGA/Taxman/Headcannon/PagodaWest, PS4/XB1/PC/NX)
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No official ports . Sonic CD came out on almost everything and sonic 1 and 2 were on IOS. Sonic 2 even restored hidden palace zone.
No, like "I can recreate these games 100% faithfully in a cross platform game engine, will you pay me?" and eventually they said yes.
And now they're finally making classic Sonic games again.
Huh. Interesting. Never knew about these.
I just see them as "Special Editions" like the original Star Wars trilogy. Not what the final product was, and how it should be remembered. It's like SMB All-Stars. Prettier graphics and physics changes take away from it, IMO.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I love all the details. The Daytona USA/Streets of Rage references. The spinning Sonic signs. The SegaSonicPopcorn machine. The hidden Fire elemental shield behind the Hornet transitional vehicle. How reminiscent the color choices are with the bold pop art style of the Japanese box art. Even this new looking up Sonic sprite, which is just adorable and characterful than his original "head rotates upwards" sprite
I am honestly baffled that anyone could find the incredibly minor, utterly-imperceptible-to-anyone-but-the-most-obsessive-fans differences in the Retro Engine Sonic games to be dealbreaking, especially given how much they add.
Elfforkusu
Member
I respect the purist angle, but it's not like the originals are being taken away from us ...
Also, it led directly to this!
Valkyri von Thanatos
Member
Agreed. I seriously would pay a full MSRP of $60 for 1, 2, 3&K & CD all in one package. Especially if it was cross-buy with PS Vita. Speaking of, I wish Mania was on Vita, but I guess it is time to move on. Just hope the engine is efficient enough on PC to run on the GPD Win!
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I love all the details. The Daytona USA/Streets of Rage references. The spinning Sonic signs. The SegaSonicPopcorn machine. The hidden Fire elemental shield behind the Hornet transitional vehicle. How reminiscent the color choices are with the bold pop art style of the Japanese box art. Even this new looking up Sonic sprite, which is just adorable and characterful than his original "head rotates upwards" sprite
This is perfect. Thank you for pointing this out.
When time changes takes a bit longer it does become a problem in certain areas of the game, especially in a game where the terrain is designed to prevent you from doing so.
Playing the original is kinda hard to do in this day and age. Heck, it was hard when it came out cuz the Sega CD was shit.
And I'm not saying it leading to this is bad, I'm just saying I prefer playing a game the way it was meant to be played. Some games I can't imagine playing any other way. All the little nicks and tricks get ingrained on one's mind.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Those people can never be pleased.
Seven Force
Banned
For real.
Too bad we probably won't see definitive 3&K until the year 2080 due to public domain rules.
Will any of us still be alive then?
Madrugador
Member
Looks amazing. Day one for me.
JigglesBunny
Banned
So sold.
Looks fantastic.Seems like SEGA gets it for once.
Looks fantastic.Seems like SEGA gets it for once.
Exactly this. I understand the low expectations here but I feel like there were some people before the announcement who wanted this and are now complaining that they want something else.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
are you familiar with KingBroly particular brand of glass is always half empty style of posting?
Zero Suit Samus could pop out of the TV with a brand new 2D metroid and promise him a blowjob, and he would still find something to whine about.
"I wanted Varia Suit Samus tbh..."
Valkyri von Thanatos
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I know this is a joke, but don't you think Sonic Mania implies that they are ready to do that afterwards?
Unless you mean to say SEGA may not have all of the rights to the game, which would be weird because they have released it, just not in the Retro Engine with wide-screen and extra features.
3D graphics are just a lot more versatile than sprites. With sprites you basically have to draw every frame of animation by hand but with 3D models you can just make the model and animate it. The difference between sprites and 3D models is purely an artstyle choice in these cases. Nintendo has shown that they can stick sprites into the NSMBU engine with SMM and likewise I'm sure they could make a 2D Sonic that used models instead of sprites and still played like this. In fact, how do we know that's not what they're doing? SMM's SMB, SMB3, and SMW graphics styles work by just replacing the texture of the models with textures that look like sprites, but they're still models. Isn't that how most modern "sprite" games work?
I suppose I will agree that it's not as big a movement forward as NSMB from SMW, but it certainly is a movement forward from S3&K from what I've seen so far. I think particularly with Sonic they have to be careful, because some of the things that helped move 2D Mario forward were additions like wall jumping from the 3D games, but those kinds of additions to Sonic in 2D would be detrimental. They tried to put 3D Sonic moves into 2D games and they just made things worse. Sonic was already as versatile as he needed to be in the moves department, so really the innovation needs to come from level design (an area Sonic has been SORELY lacking in since the departure of Yasuhara).
If I recall this was at least partially patched in the mobile versions of SCD. (Console and PC versions didn't get the patches/bugfixes the mobile ones did due to cert costs and being handled by a different dev team.)
Seems clear that SEGA still wants to avoid legal trouble considering Michael Jackson's involvement in Sonic 3 + other artists would require negotiating a contract for payments since those are their works.
2080 would be the year that will clear Sonic 3 unless the public domain law gets revised once again.
Keen to know how long this has been in development. Feels like it was only a year ago when Chris and Co were asking fans to tell Sega to get them to make a Sonic 3&K remake.
Also, maybe hinting at the end? I mean the credits were set to the Sonic 3&Knuckles credits, but with widescreen. Hmm!
Also, maybe hinting at the end? I mean the credits were set to the Sonic 3&Knuckles credits, but with widescreen. Hmm!
Well, I'm not really into playing classic games on a touchscreen, but okay.
Elfforkusu
Member
3&K was mostly level design magic, and it's hard to see that being duplicated. But even 1/2 quality levels will make for an excellent game if the physics and controls are right (which should be the case here).
This is the only problem I had with those ports. The tyranny of no physical buttons.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Amazing!
AMAZING. Seriously, the only thing more I could want is maybe Hirokazu Yasuhara assisting on the game design front. We are really in for a treat.
Nexus Zero
Member
All in. I've got chills that looked spot on! After all these years.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Been wanting this for so long, brilliant move Sega, Sonic back in 2D, exactly how it works best and it looks glorious.
Mama Robotnik
Member
Looks absolutely great! This might be the Sonic game I have waited 22 years for!
Looks like Sonic Team is nowhere near it, which I'm happy with.
Looks like Sonic Team is nowhere near it, which I'm happy with.
Touchscreen controls made completing Sonic 2's special stages impossible.
I can't get all the emeralds.
Valkyri von Thanatos
Member
I wasn't too worried about this until I realized that depending on what the NX is, we could get a portable version if it came to it! Now I hope they didn't have it in the trailer just because they haven't done any work on that version yet, but a port still has a possibility of coming! Now I really hope it comes to NX..
It seems very unlikely that SEGA would care so much about avoiding legal work or fees that they wouldn't re-release one of their most acclaimed videogames of all time because of it. It seems like they want to appeal to the fan base of the classic games, we are getting an original classic Sonic game from Christian Whitehead/Taxman, it seems like SEGA is more likely than ever to re-release 3&K to me at least.
Believe what you want I guess, I just think it's silly to think they'd sit on such a popular game because of that.
Maybe I'm just pessimistic because I was looking forward to Taxman's S3&K after Sonic 1/2/CD. Then the releases stopped. The engine was already there. What was the problem? Most likely the whole artist licensing thing since the first PC version of S3&K used different tracks. The version on the Steam arcade seems like a no frills ROM port that plays badly on laptops (non i3/i5/i7 hardware). My laptop can play Sonic CD fine thanks to the Retro engine, but it plays the Steam releases of Sonic 1/2 very poorly.
Now we have this game in 2017, which will do.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
This looks like the most fan game looking official release I've ever seen but... there's something about seeing a retro looking Sonic game that makes me smile. For a $20 digital download, this will look like fun.
I beat all three ports on an iPad with touch controls, beat all the time attack unlock requirements in SCD, and got all the emeralds in S2, and had a good time doing it. Never had a problem tbh.
But if you want, they all support controllers and are playable on TV boxes like the Amazon Fire TV and Apple TV 4th gen.
The OG crew in a new retro-style sonic game?
Literally all I've wanted for YEARS. I'm beyond excited. Idc if it's exactly like the originals: in fact I hope it's not. I'd love to see a refinement on that gameplay with sick level design, and hopefully each character has their own levels that take advantage of their strengths as platformer characters.
Goddamnit I'm losing it
Literally all I've wanted for YEARS. I'm beyond excited. Idc if it's exactly like the originals: in fact I hope it's not. I'd love to see a refinement on that gameplay with sick level design, and hopefully each character has their own levels that take advantage of their strengths as platformer characters.
Goddamnit I'm losing it
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
I love the artwork and animations. So much.
When do we get to see Tails and Knuckles?
And I'm so glad it's just Tails and Knuckles and not all of his shitty friends. Plus it doesn't look to be taking place in the "human world" like all the 3D games have since. I hate that about modern Sonic. Sonic looks better when he's in a colorful environment with robotic enemies and animals. Not in a grey boxy city with humans that don't even react to the fact that a giant blue hedgehog and his friends are wandering around.
When do we get to see Tails and Knuckles?
And I'm so glad it's just Tails and Knuckles and not all of his shitty friends. Plus it doesn't look to be taking place in the "human world" like all the 3D games have since. I hate that about modern Sonic. Sonic looks better when he's in a colorful environment with robotic enemies and animals. Not in a grey boxy city with humans that don't even react to the fact that a giant blue hedgehog and his friends are wandering around.
The mobile ports plays like shit with mobile controls. It just sucks... =/
I wanted then ported on PC...
Dunno, would love to play with Amy in this...
I wanted then ported on PC...
Dunno, would love to play with Amy in this...
Mr.Fletcher
Member
Chuffed. Day one for me.
Seven Force
Banned
Pretty sure it's possible to use Bluestacks to play the game on a PC, even with a controller.
gutter_trash
Banned
holy fuck fuck!!!
I can't believe what I just saw!!
WOW!!!
do want!
I can't believe what I just saw!!
WOW!!!
do want!
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
Shoutouts to Taxman and Stealth for getting the opportunity to work on this. What a come up!
Elfforkusu
Member
Would prefer if the 1/2 remakes were just released on PC.
On older versions of Android, the wiimote works.
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