The Sum of Zero
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This is what I always thought, too.
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Sonic Mania - Pre-Order Trailer (out August 15th)
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This is what I always thought, too.
I'm sure Hyper Sonic was only a thing because they needed something to justify you collecting the chaos emeralds twice since they decided to split Sonic 3 into two half games. The super emeralds were just the chaos emeralds re-assuming their true form. They've acted like the super emeralds plotwise and with Sega falling in love with the homing attack Hyper lost most of its uniqueness.
And if you thought getting into the special stages in Sonic Advance 2 was impossible, I'd hate to see you make it to its special stages:
Whoever designed these was a sadist.
At a particularly low point in my life, I actually did this with all five characters.
Zero is a fucking monster.
Not going to derail this much further, but thank you for assuming my opinions to be based out of some misplaced open world stuck-uppery. Frankly the demo felt janky to me and nothing about the concept or their current execution was particularly impressive. When I say there's vast patches of nothing, I mean that even the official trailers show Sonic running in an empty field and that's just not interesting.
There's no vitriol here, I just don't like it and there's yet to be anything out of the project to sway my opinion otherwise (and that's not to say I think that Boost gameplay is the be-all end-all for 3D Sonic - it's still in need of refinement).
But if they're going to change my mind at all they need some actual level design and some severe refinement on this too. Seeing the praise for it was always bizarre to me when it didn't feel like it was doing anything of note yet, and the official projects still seemed to play better even when their other elements were lacking.
You actually have to get all 7 emeralds with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, AND Cream to unlock Amy, which I think may actually qualify Amy as the hardest character to unlock due to how ridiculously difficult and tedious her requirements are.
And if you thought getting into the special stages in Sonic Advance 2 was impossible, I'd hate to see you make it to its special stages:
This takes me back.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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I cant stop watching this trailer. My hype is beyond belief right now. I cant believe this is actually happening. Hold me.
C.Olimar788
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Trailer is so dang good. I am officially in full hype mode for this.
If they bring back Hyper Sonic, or even just Super Tails/Knuckles, I will full-on die from youthful joy.
If they bring back Hyper Sonic, or even just Super Tails/Knuckles, I will full-on die from youthful joy.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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I hope they hold back and don't reveal any more zones before release. I want to go in to it with some surprises.
No one knows yet. If it is does exist, I personally believe it will be announced at Nintendo's E3 Direct.
Hitlersaurus Christ
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The skeptic in me wants to say that we might not get Super Tails or Super Knuckles. Apparently Sega's current stance is that only male Hedgehogs can go super.
...Despite y'know, stuff like Knuckles saying he didn't have enough energy to reach his super form in SA2 and Team Super in Sonic Heroes. Then again, Sonic's world and Earth are officially different worlds that they can travel between now, so it's not like Sonic "canon" makes any sense.
Tizoc
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And the cape!
Isn't that Turbo Tails? I honestly forget given how many different forms there are in the comics.
sixteen-bit
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there was an australian retail listing, but I guess that could be the LE with statue. No one knows for sure.
Linkstrikesback
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I don't remember this. When does this happen? One of the quotes during the final boss, I'd guess?
The other two dudes called it "utter trash" and "lame", so that's why I talked vitriol. I didn't assume anything, I literally said I couldn't tell if any of you guys played it.
I think you're pretty unappreciative of good physics if you call the feel of it unimpressive, lacking, and nothing of note - it's on an entirely different level than current Sonic games with the way you can bob and weave off of subtle hills and walls without completely losing momentum in an awkward way. Literally no Sonic game feels like it, so it's the opposite of "nothing of note". I don't really care about the rest of the demo's characteristics, I like it but there's valid criticism to be had about the level design or whatever. My point is purely about game feel. It evokes a feeling of the classic games in physics in 3D.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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No. Hoping for the glorious return of blue spheres. The GOAT special stage. I also hope we get a near infinite number of blue sphere stages like when you locked S&K with a game that wasn't Sonic 2 or 3.
Hitlersaurus Christ
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The English version had Shadow's voice actor say it by mistake but yeah, it's one of the lines during the last boss.
At around 2:24
UnlovedJew
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I'd bet that we're getting the half pipe special stage due to it being the one that's the most fondly remembered by the general public.
I got a soft spot for the UFO Sonic CD ones though. One day they'll return. One day.
I got a soft spot for the UFO Sonic CD ones though. One day they'll return. One day.
Same, I just didn't find blue sphere even remotely fun but always enjoyed the special stages in those two games a fair bit.
I don¡t think Hyper Sonic will appear again. It was introduced just because S3&K had 2 sets of Emeralds. Just put the Hyper improvements on the Super form and that's it.
Super Tails/Knuckles makes more sense to return, and for the love of god PLEASE add an option to not have the invincivility music play in a loop when in Super form. I avoided Super forms just because how annoying that was.
Yep, found them more fun than Sonic 2 ones. Also you have more control than in Sonic 2 ones when the time is going to end (red UFOs) or if you miss something.
Super Tails/Knuckles makes more sense to return, and for the love of god PLEASE add an option to not have the invincivility music play in a loop when in Super form. I avoided Super forms just because how annoying that was.
Yep, found them more fun than Sonic 2 ones. Also you have more control than in Sonic 2 ones when the time is going to end (red UFOs) or if you miss something.
NOLA_Gaffer
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I managed to make my way through all of Sonic Advance 2's special stages but it required a guide to find all those damn SP rings.
Daffy Duck
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As long as they are not Sonic 1 inspired, god I hated those things.
And the ones from three made me cry as a child, those later ones.......
It's a representation of 2D Sonic but literally no game in the series feels like it? Okay.
A physics sandbox is pretty unremarkable to me in general. I can appreciate the work they put into it and how that's the framework for a great game, but until they do that it's a nifty footnote and nothing more.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Nah. These devs know how overplayed that style of special stage is, and besides we already know the method of entering a special stage is the Sonic 3 method so blue sphere makes sense.
War Raichu
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You know the super emeralds have been in the games ever since Sonic & Knuckles, right? The chaos emeralds were transformed into the super emeralds.
this is false, they've always been Chaos Emeralds.
However, the Super Emeralds were in Sonic Adventure. If you visit the past Emerald altar as Knuckles, you can climb one of the pillars and see that the emerald is larger than him.
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UnlovedJew
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Honestly, I'd love something new and fresh, but Blue Sphere would be welcome. Blue sphere is underrated IMO.
Considering how keen they were to include Blue Sphere in the collections, I think they know.
Though it would be great to have more actual designed levels rather than the (I'm assuming) procedurally generated ones.
Deadly Cyclone
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I just saw the collector's edition for this game and immediately ordered it. It's awesome.
Solid SOAP
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Deepest lore!
I believe the Special Stage in S3&K has the emerald appear in 3D, and it's not the typical Diamond cut like Super Emerald's have
My TV has a bit of input lag, even in gaming mode. Made the sphere stages unplayable for me.
sixteen-bit
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I just wish it had a physical cart or disc with the game on it.
It's actually kind of tricky to tell, the sprites of the in the Blue Sphere stages looks like they might be a round or oval cut, but at an angle it looks like it could also be a smaller diamond cut.
They aren't called Super Emeralds but no game but 3&K has any need to differentiate the 2 forms. Ever since 3&K they've retained that form and they've been used the same way (surrounding the master emerald). Also they can grow and shrink. The point is that in Sonic 3 & Knuckles the were transformed back into their original form and they've been that way ever since. Maybe they could make a game involving time travel that explains how the hell the emeralds became like that in the first place.
Actually, the regular emeralds are very clearly dodecahedrons in Blue Sphere. They're made up of pentagon faces.
Actually, the regular emeralds are very clearly dodecahedrons in Blue Sphere. They're made up of pentagon faces.
Huh, so they are. Which is stranger considering the 2D image of them still uses the octagon cut.
Probably one of those things they just didn't consider at the time.
Huh, so they are. Which is stranger considering the 2D image of them still uses the octagon cut.
Probably one of those things they just didn't consider at the time.
And a hexagonal cut in Sonic 2. I think what happened is that they just reused those octagonal emerald sprites from Sonic 1 in making the Sonic 3 sprites, and when they made new 3D sprites for Blue Sphere they went with a dodecahedron because it showed the shape they wanted better in 3D to differentiate the 2 forms. Making an octagonal cut look good in 3D would take more work.
RomanceDawn
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This times 80 katrillion. My feelings exactly.
I don't think it takes much imagination to see how Utopia could be applied to a full game. The guy in the interview is on point with the majority of his comments.
I'll take what's going on with Mania over today's 3D Sonic any day of the week. It's a shame to because I want 3D Sonic more than 2D Sonic.
Ristifer
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I'll be impressed with Utopia once it shows me something other than running around Green Hill. It looks nice, but actually implementing those physics into interesting environments with good platforming is the true challenge. I'd love to see it pulled off because it looks like a great foundation. But it's not exactly convincing me yet.
if there's badniks in a trash compactor, does that mean that the animal is inside the badnik too?
maybe the 'chaos' in 'chaos emeralds' means their actual physical properties are in flux and the molecular structure assumes different matrices depending on environmental temperature
sonic 1 special stage - 27°C
sonic 2 special stage - 35°C
sonic 3 special stage - -17°C
sonic adventure - 22°C
sonic adventure 2 - 22°C
etc.
sonic 1 special stage - 27°C
sonic 2 special stage - 35°C
sonic 3 special stage - -17°C
sonic adventure - 22°C
sonic adventure 2 - 22°C
etc.
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