entremet
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Mobile is competition....I don't think so.
GBA was awesome withouth competition.
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Sony: climate "not healthy" for PlayStation Vita successor
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Yup, I would echo this sentiment, really great line-up. Then Sony dropped the ball hard on day 2.
I'm not delusional, I will freely admit that handhelds are a though, maybe impossible sell, but I don't really understand the quickness of the transition from "hey, we just released this great piece of kit" to "fuck this shit, we are out".
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
I can see how the PSP came about (it sold okay), but the Vita was a mistake.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Sad state of affairs but at least Vita has quite a bit of life left in it. Japan ain't gonna abandon it for years. Now the question is how long is it feasible for smaller publishers to localize the content.
At least the PS4+Vita trend makes stuff easier. I doubt we would have gotten something like Cyber Sleuth otherwise.
At least the PS4+Vita trend makes stuff easier. I doubt we would have gotten something like Cyber Sleuth otherwise.
Probably another reason the only hope probably ends up more Nomad or Turbo Express: new high end hardware that actually can be shrunk down/be cheap enough to produce a portable version, to be DD only of course now.
StoppedInTracks
Member
There is no market outside Japan for a dedicated handheld gaming device post iPhone 1 era.
2 to 40 year olds are playing dozens of games on their iPhones, iPads and iPad Minis.
Better deal with it than cling to some fantasy dreams.
It's sad how PS Vita is selling... i'm a Nintendo guy and i'd like see PSVita compete with 3DS in the NPD thread ( my favourite thread ), because i like the competition.
Maybe there is some competition in the Media Create thread... but still.
I would have liked see PSVita sell much better than what is selling.
No.
3DS is still selling, it should end at ~70 million.
Maybe there is some competition in the Media Create thread... but still.
I would have liked see PSVita sell much better than what is selling.
No.
3DS is still selling, it should end at ~70 million.
Digital helps greatly on this front, if it were retail only Vita already would've died like the Duo or Saturn. I mean we're still seeing DSiWare and PSP localizations now in 2015 even.
sammyCYBORG
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I'd rather Sony's focus and studios were on consoles solely so this is good news to me.
doniewhalberg
Member
Hmm, I think it's a non issue at the moment anyway, so I'm not worried too much by those thoughts. TGS came by and a whole bunch of PS4/Vita games got announced. World Of FF, Builders, 13 sentinels, Setsuna, vita has some games coming. In the mean time, the 3DS' successor has to be on the cards at nintendo and a jump/line up in specs between the two devices might mean more games get developed that are 3ds/vita as the aimed platform from third parties. I think some times the vita was ahead of itself graphically. Instead of a new handheld, sony would be wise to iterate, take out the proprietary memory cards and align the vita alongside nintendo's next handheld oppose to think about an actual new higher specced successor any time soon.
chrominance
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sörine;179998610 said:
All that is true, but I'm not sure what the alternative would have been except jump to the 3DS, which may have improved software sales in Japan and maybe puts those developers in a better position to migrate to NX. I don't know enough to say whether either of those is a given, though, and even if they were that doesn't necessarily make a publisher/developer's situation much better for the future if NX isn't the resurgence Nintendo and everyone else wants it to be.
My thoughts exactly... I think we'll see a fair number of games targeting Vita/NX portable that scale up to PS4/NX console out of Japan going forward.
StoppedInTracks
Member
So it's basically officially confirmed. The dream is dead. Sony's adventure with handhelds that started with the amazing PSP (I got one) ended with the PS Vita.
2004 - 2015.
RIP my dear Playstation Handheld Gaming Division You were born in the wrongest time possible (mobiles getting out of the Nokia 3210 ghetto).
2004 - 2015.
RIP my dear Playstation Handheld Gaming Division
You were born in the wrongest time possible (mobiles getting out of the Nokia 3210 ghetto).I was sort of surprised how DS4 didn't have that terrific Vita d-pad. The Vita d-pad is pretty much the best d-pad ever made.
But the PS4 & Vita don't share all of its games, use one physical medium, share an architecture, or share an OS.
FlashFlooder
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Completely expected. Still, sad to think that we might be nearing the end of the road for dedicated handhelds.
I game on my phone as much as the next guy, but it's not really the same
I game on my phone as much as the next guy, but it's not really the same
Well of course. Mobile has taken over. And developing a dedicated handheld console that almost exclusively targeted 18-35 year olds was probably one of the biggest factors in the Vita's failure. And even if they targeted kids, that's really hard when you consider how much mobile has done to that demographic.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Also I think people shouting for Sony to ''support'' the thing are weird: they did the first few years and people didn't buy it. Why would the situation change especially since the market indeed becomes harsher all the time?
What game feasibly could they have made that would have done this miraculous feat? Gran Turismo is the closest one but I have a really strong feeling that alone wouldn't cut it.
Vita is my favourite piece of gaming hardware ever and even I can admit people don't want it nowdays no matter how much Sony would have poured money into it. Western third parties have completely abandoned the handheld market even for the winning side.
What game feasibly could they have made that would have done this miraculous feat? Gran Turismo is the closest one but I have a really strong feeling that alone wouldn't cut it.
Vita is my favourite piece of gaming hardware ever and even I can admit people don't want it nowdays no matter how much Sony would have poured money into it. Western third parties have completely abandoned the handheld market even for the winning side.
mejin
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in our hearts forever.
JordanN
Banned
Also, even if there's a slither of a chance the Vita 2 could do better, the damage is done now.
Sony has already ported their 1st party Vita games to PS4.
What's the Vita II going to offer again that the PS5 wont have now? Making 2 versions of Gravity Rush or 2 versions of Tearaway is just going to look stupid.
If the next handheld is PS4 powerful, is it not going to be the same thing again? More people needed to get the bigger graphics bump =more $$$. If the games don't cost $60, how will they ever make it back on what's already a smaller audience?
Sony has already ported their 1st party Vita games to PS4.
What's the Vita II going to offer again that the PS5 wont have now? Making 2 versions of Gravity Rush or 2 versions of Tearaway is just going to look stupid.
The site is banned but from the source, the developer of Killzone: Mercenary said the development costs are the same or close to that of a PS3. Which makes sense. The workflow is similar to HD consoles which obviously requires a bigger budget then PS2 games did.
If the next handheld is PS4 powerful, is it not going to be the same thing again? More people needed to get the bigger graphics bump =more $$$. If the games don't cost $60, how will they ever make it back on what's already a smaller audience?
Mass_Pincup
Banned
What are you even talking about? They are different, a Vita game doesn't even cost as much to make as a PS3 game.
And where do you get that 60$ handheld games? The prices stayed the same from PSP to Vita, why would they increase now?
Hero Prinny
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Honestly its for the best. Even if they did make another one i wouldnt buy it, they already pulled a bait and switch with the vita. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me
fuzzyreactor
Banned
Because they don't understand business
I wouldn't worry about that. If anything, handhelds are their biggest money-maker (sans the Amiibos). If anything, the NX Console will be piggy-backing off of the NX Handheld.
QuackkAttack
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It's really sad that there won't be another PS handheld. I'd say at least 5 of my top 10 favorite games in the last gen were on Vita.
P4G (I played it on PS2 as well), Oreshika, Freedom Wars, and Danganronpa 1 and 2.
P4G (I played it on PS2 as well), Oreshika, Freedom Wars, and Danganronpa 1 and 2.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Everyone who didn't buy a Vita killed the Vita, thanks guys.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Succinct Verbosity
Member
To be honest, if it wasn't for Nintendo first party support there would barely be s market for dedicated handhelds at all.
StoppedInTracks
Member
Yet some mobile companies (SuperCell) bring in $100M monthly... (need a quote on that).
Oh they understand the business very well.
Yeah, I'm really curious what some people think the reason is for the 3DS selling less than half of what it's predecessor did.
Because it certainly wasn't competition from the Vita.
Sony killed the Vita.
Petrae
Member
Denial is one hell of a thing, isn't it? Akin to sticking fingers in ears and screaming "I can't hear you!"
Mobile isn't just competition. It's the dominant player in the portable space, whether handheld fans like it or not.
Most of those kinds of games are either gonna go to the NX Platform or the PS4 going forward (probably both).
Riesenfass
Member
Pretty obvious statement if you ask me.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
I was saying that people that say Mobile isn't competition don't understand business. A basic understanding of Porters 5 forces will show you that Mobile is clearly competition for handheld
StoppedInTracks
Member
Off topic but it is being brought up here a lot: is it confirmed NX will be a handheld? Or a handheld/ stationary hybrid?
Fried Food
Banned
handhelds are done unless you are nintendo, and even they are falling off.
I replie wrong to the guy.
I said "GBA was amazing withouth competition" and he talk about mobile, but in 2001 Mobile was not competition.
write above.
lol
DamonForever
Member
Sony should combine the Vita with Xperia somehow. Android OS with mobile games, controller dock to play 'Vita-esque' games, VR dock for Morpheus...
StoppedInTracks
Member
Gotcha, clear and of course agreed.
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