There's evidence pointing towards the NX being a multi-system platform, handhelds included. Basically, Nintendo would be focusing all of their dedicated gaming platform efforts into one platform to prevent software droughts as Nintendo entry into the mobile games market takes up more of their time. As for a hybrid, Iwata explicitly said no to the idea before he died.
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Sony: climate "not healthy" for PlayStation Vita successor
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MatrixMan.EXE
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Well, durr. Nintendo is already feeling the change of climate as well. And it will only get worse for them next gen. No point in Sony investing millions to fight for scraps with Nintendo.
Yes, because Sony putting out a PSP3 wouldn't be a PS3-2: Electric Boogaloo situation, double so after the PSP2.
Sony should stick with home consoles, which is where their mojo is currently (hello PS4).
Canis lupus
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sörine;179998610 said:
Yeah a lifeline of 4 million. These devs were always low profile, mid tier at best and are satisfied selling 50 to 200k. They are satisfied, considering they keep coming back to Vita and making more games. People wonder where the Japanese mid tier went after PS2, they mostly went to PSP, thanks to its piracy we didn't see much of it in the west. They started resurfacing late last gen when they finally mastered PS3 and now with Vita's easy PS4 ports we're seeing them back again.
PHOENIXZERO
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The thing was pretty DOA the moment the price of the proprietary memory cards came out.
I still kept my launch order. =\
I still kept my launch order. =\
Otakumegane
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Yeah in a few years it's going to be NX vs Mobile in Japan with mobile winning out.
entremet
Member
Oh.
I mean today. Mobile is competition today, though. My misunderstanding.
Mobile already won. The question is could Nintendo still make a profit from their handheld niche, which although not at its peak like the DS, is still there.
Except the NX Handheld will be the form factor that will be the most likely to succeed, more so since Nintendo's fading into obscurity as far as their console efforts go. It's like I said earlier in this thread, the NX Console will likely piggy-back off of the NX Handheld. The difference now is that Nintendo has no competition besides mobile gaming, a market that Nintendo is now going into.
The memory cards didn't do any favors for the Vita, but what killed it was the smartphone revolution. And we can expect the NX handheld to be hammered in a similar fashion.
Vita means life.
But they're right. Handheld gaming is in a very fickle position. The 3DS has been successful for sure, but compare the DS's 150 million to the 3DS's 50 million. Mobile gaming has eaten a huge chunk of the market and completely changed expectations on what gaming on the go should be. The PSP was hugely successful, but it had a much stronger lineup and came out in a time when mobile gaming wasn't a big thing. Nintendo has enough big franchises to keep people interested in their handheld titles, while Sony really does not. Nintendo puts out actual real-ass sequels to their franchises, while Sony just puts out some spinoff that's nowhere near as good as the console counterparts. Not to mention Pokemon is a hardware mover while Sony does not have any portable-exclusive franchise to make people interested.
But they're right. Handheld gaming is in a very fickle position. The 3DS has been successful for sure, but compare the DS's 150 million to the 3DS's 50 million. Mobile gaming has eaten a huge chunk of the market and completely changed expectations on what gaming on the go should be. The PSP was hugely successful, but it had a much stronger lineup and came out in a time when mobile gaming wasn't a big thing. Nintendo has enough big franchises to keep people interested in their handheld titles, while Sony really does not. Nintendo puts out actual real-ass sequels to their franchises, while Sony just puts out some spinoff that's nowhere near as good as the console counterparts. Not to mention Pokemon is a hardware mover while Sony does not have any portable-exclusive franchise to make people interested.
Well, of course today is another story...
Honestly, so long as Nintendo keeps providing their games (mainly Pokémon), the NX Handheld will see some kind of success. If anything, it'll probably be more successful than the NX Console.
This is not how Sony Computer Entertainment works. The handheld dream is over.
There won't be another handheld after the Vita.
Napalm_Frank
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If there was a Vita 2 it would be the first console I'd ever preorder :3
psynergylover
Member
Still enough games out there and coming to keep me busy for awhile
The only possible solution I see is if Sony does an NX and makes a PS5/PSP3 with a shared OS/architecture/library. That could present it's own set of issues though (dropping X86, lower power PS5, dropping disc media, etc) and Sony has a lot more to lose in the console space than Nintendo does going this route.
RGamer2009
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Instead of a Vita successor, they should make an updated Xperia Play.
Mobile phone gaming with up to date specs and can play Vita, PSP, PS1, and PS2 Classics. It would be awesome!
Mobile phone gaming with up to date specs and can play Vita, PSP, PS1, and PS2 Classics. It would be awesome!
StoppedInTracks
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The "Monster Hunter 10 exclusive on Vita 2!" dream is sooooooo dead.
Memory card price does not matter when there is no "market" for your product. Even if the pricing was better PS Vita would have bombed
MatrixMan.EXE
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Eh, I think you're being a tad naive here. Nintendo haD practicaly no competition this cycle and yet 3DS continues to feel the effects of a shrinking market. NX isn't going to magically plug the hole and stop further contraction.
I'm not saying NX will bomb. I'm saying that its not going to stop the downward trajectory of the dedicated handheld market. And Nintendo will feel it more so than they have with the 3DS.
Teletraan1
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The market moved to cool phones with apple logos on it. Or android phones with no gaming features. They are bleeding money on phones as it is. Making another device that not enough people want is not in their best interest. They would be best to exit the phone and handheld market completely at this point and focus on what is working.
thomasmahler
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Instead of a Vita successor, they should make an updated Xperia Play.
Mobile phone gaming with up to date specs and can play Vita, PSP, PS1, and PS2 Classics. It would be awesome!
Wholeheartedly agree.
PHOENIXZERO
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Of course but I saw a lot of people get turned off from it because of the memory card (and no accessible internal memory as well) bullshit.
But it'll at least slow it down a bit, especially in Japan. Plus it's not like the NX Console is gonna sell any better.
QuackkAttack
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I get that. DR3 is on PS4, P5 is on PS4. I'm mostly just worried if Sony Japan is going to continue to fund some mid-tier rpgs.
tearsintherain
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Honestly the only reason I still have my vita is PS+. But I don't play my vita at all because I only have a 32gb card, which is full, so I don't download (or buy) any new games for it.
The mobile environment completely destroyed the vita for sure, but even for enthusiasts the proprietary and super expensive memory card system has done the vita zero favors. Even though its technically superior to my 3DS, I will always choose my 3DS when I travel because it feels like it would take too much effort to curate my vita's card to throw out old stuff and download "good" stuff, so I just always default to my 3DS. Also its so goddamn easy to lose vita carts, and swapping them around on the vita is a super pain in the ass on the OG model.
The mobile environment completely destroyed the vita for sure, but even for enthusiasts the proprietary and super expensive memory card system has done the vita zero favors. Even though its technically superior to my 3DS, I will always choose my 3DS when I travel because it feels like it would take too much effort to curate my vita's card to throw out old stuff and download "good" stuff, so I just always default to my 3DS. Also its so goddamn easy to lose vita carts, and swapping them around on the vita is a super pain in the ass on the OG model.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Considering how many people have their faces buried into their smartphones, it aint happening here either. Esp not when devs are all settled in on the Vita as is.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Because trying to make shit in a flooded market is an even better idea right?
But the Xperia Z line is amazing. Probably the best smartphones out there. They really shouldnt exit.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Not right now. So maybe in the future.
KeyChainDude
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Well if he hopes the "portable gaming culture" stays alive, then they really need to release a sucessor. I mean, who else will do it? Nintendo would monopolize the market, and even then they could end up failing on their next attempt and leaving no one to make handhelds. Sony and Nintendo would need to stay in business, not only as competitors, but also as allies to make for a bigger install base introducing people to portables.
Well I hope they're satisfied selling 10-50k on PS4 then. Because that's looking like their future once Vita fades out completely.
Instead of a Vita successor, they should make an updated Xperia Play.
Mobile phone gaming with up to date specs and can play Vita, PSP, PS1, and PS2 Classics. It would be awesome!
Not even that, just release their legacy software on mobile and make them compatible with Bluetooth controllers.
I would be fine with this. It seems a lot of Japanese devs are going the PS4/Vita route.
AtomskEater
Member
Disappointing but not surprising. I love me some vita but Sony didn't put in much work. I hope NX fills the void well in a few years. 3DS has lots of great games but Vita whoops it design wise so I'm hoping for the best of both.
travisbickle
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Should make a handheld/vr headset similar to the Samsung gear.
StoppedInTracks
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Uh... they have Morpheus already. Why are you suggesting Sony to cannibalize their own sales? It doesn't make any sense.
BTW I think the VR bubble will burst so loud it will be heard up on the Moon.
Aceofspades
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I always see posts that doesn't make any damn business sense, few of them are in this thread.
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