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Sony demos 4K/HDR enhancements for PS4 Pro at TGS (FFXV, RE7, UC4, Horizon, Infamous)
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Yeah I don't get it either.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Not at all. If you want to experience the best of this game, this is how you should procede.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
You realise not doing it will hurt devs sales right?
Advertising sells, devs don't need to make high end PC games either especially since their are few who can run them at the absolute max settings but they do it anyway, a big part of that is so they can advertise the potential.
BRSxIgnition
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It's not quite this simple. OLED TV's are allowed into a secondary category of HDR, which allows for a lower total brightness, as long as the lowest black levels are much lower as well.
Essentially, there will be very bright LCD HDR TVs, which will have a high max NIT (Brightness) output, with good contrast but a higher base black level. (Blacks won't be as black as on an OLED set) and there will be very vivid OLED HDR TVs with a lower overall brightness max, but much richer and deeper contrast/black levels.
The decision of which to go for depends on the consumer.
Callibretto
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Do you know where can I find those LG demo? Also looking for some hdr demo. Only found the Sony Camp hdr demo.
EatinOlives
Member
I already have a PC. It would be fantastic if I could get it on PC day-and-date precisely for the reason that I wouldn't be playing a compromised version.
The OG PS4 version is looking like a heavily compromised version. Up until now every piece of new media we got was met with "oh...", because the consoles are obviously buckling under an engine that can't run the game all that well without some serious finagling of the IQ. Hell, the game even had a lighting engine downgrade over the course of development. I could at least make up the excuse in my head that this is the only version available, because to be honest the OG version doesn't look like that much of a looker.
We already have an "arms race" platform with the PC. If they're going this route at least let me do it on the platform that I already have and the platform that is actually better at doing that. I'm not gonna enter this arms race on another platform, with a walled garden console to boot.
DangerMouse
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Yeah. And very true on that second part or you know people will go nuts over something not set up for their non-HDR tv.
Just keep in mind you'll probably be waiting a while.
PS4 version has been vastly improved, according to folks at TGS.
The delay has yielded some great results, as evidenced by the recent trailer and impressions.
Pro version, on the otherhand, is gonna be on another level entirely.
DangerMouse
Member
Maybe the two latest vids on here since they are LG ones?
http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr
This site has been one of the good ones for collecting small samples of 4K and HDR while we were waiting for the players (and Amazon and Netflix updates) to come out.
Stilton Disco
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Looking at all these screens, it makes me once again feel this technology is going to be a game changer for how immersive and aesthetically pleasing gaming will be...
...once the PS5 is out, and low latency 4K HDR sets are available for just a few hundred quid.
There's fuck all difference in how these shots look, which is obviously going to be the case as I'm looking at it on a normal 1080p screen, using media that's no where near up to the task of displaying the differences as they actually are.
I'm totally convinced that the PS4Pro is offering a game changing experience on a decent 4K television, but all Sony's attempts to sell me on the need to upgrade for that experience so far have just also convinced me that every single other form of media out there is years away from being able to provide decent 4K content.
Hell, it's also made me aware of the fact that Blu Ray and downloading it's equivalent data is pretty much the only media out there other than games that's able to even get to true 1080p visuals right now. Streaming and broadcast visual quality and consistency is just shit at anything above 720p even today.
...once the PS5 is out, and low latency 4K HDR sets are available for just a few hundred quid.
There's fuck all difference in how these shots look, which is obviously going to be the case as I'm looking at it on a normal 1080p screen, using media that's no where near up to the task of displaying the differences as they actually are.
I'm totally convinced that the PS4Pro is offering a game changing experience on a decent 4K television, but all Sony's attempts to sell me on the need to upgrade for that experience so far have just also convinced me that every single other form of media out there is years away from being able to provide decent 4K content.
Hell, it's also made me aware of the fact that Blu Ray and downloading it's equivalent data is pretty much the only media out there other than games that's able to even get to true 1080p visuals right now. Streaming and broadcast visual quality and consistency is just shit at anything above 720p even today.
artsi
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What why does that matter? It's looking very good on PS4 looking at the latest PAX footage, and even better on PS4 Pro.
I actually just found some more, courtesy of ray0414 from avsforum. Here are all LG HDR demos: https://mega.nz/#F!aBAGBJBb!vGOiLiLo9HT7fBA1qww3-Q
Source post with lots of HDR media listed: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...ailable-4k-hdr-titles-will-updated-often.html
Also lol @ Samsung for encrypting their HDR samples. Seems they did the same for 4K demos too though m)
I got the two from the site DangerMouse linked but I guess there is no difference.
GreenMakoEyes
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FFXV looks damn good on these screens!
Psychological Intellect
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hard to tell much of anything as games always look better in off screen photos.
Nah, I'll be getting a new TV as well next year when the GOTY Edition launches.
Final Fantasy is one of my favourite franchise across all forms of media, so I'll be sure to get a TV that makes it shine.
Sithlord77
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I just got a Samsung KS8000 today. How is the HDR on that?
You are looking at it fullscreen right? If you can't see it, your color settings are probably way off.
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bitbydeath
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So what's the best brand today? I've always like Panasonics personally.
Horizon will look jaw dropping on a 4K set with HDR.
I think that's the game that'll show the worth while upgrade to a new TV for myself.
Isn't HDR only available on a 4K TV set?
I think that's the game that'll show the worth while upgrade to a new TV for myself.
Isn't HDR only available on a 4K TV set?
Sony X800D is affordable, but it is not really bright.
Samsung KS8000 is 4-5x more bright, really great visuals, but pricier.
I might be in the same boat. I could get a 4K HDR set on Black Friday, or wait until the 2017 models are out. That said, I'll still get a PS4 Pro at launch.
Iced_Eagle
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Depends on what you consider "good" and "affordable".
My friend has a cheap Samsung HDR TV around $500. Yes, it technically does HDR but it's edge-lit and the peak brightness is around 300 nits, which is shit. HDR content does not look noticeably different on it compared to others.
You're looking around $1000 for mid-range HDR TV's right now.
In my opinion, if you can wait a few months with your current TV, see what is out there on Black Friday and if you can't get anything just get the Pro. It will benefit you on your current set already. Then, next year with the improved HDR sets you'll get a better bang for your buck and the tech in this year's $1k mid-range may be like $700 next year. I think with both Sony and MS pushing HDR for gaming that the manufacturers are going to take that into account better for their 2017 models.
Yes, display manufacturers are only including it in 4k displays. Not for a technical reason, but it's easier for the display manufacturers to sell you all this new tech at once than to have "HDR", "WCG" and 4k be three new, different technologies consumers would be able to choose from. Thus, it's all a part of the "Ultra HD" label.
"Ultra HD Premium" is the seal of approval that it's a good TV and meets certain quality criteria on resolution, HDR and color reproduction. It's relatively new (from January I believe) but you'll see it more in 2017 TV models. I would _highly recommend_ only looking at TV's with that logo. If it doesn't have it, there's almost certainly some sort of catch. The only thing on top of that to look at is input lag while in HDR mode. If it has the UHD Premium logo and it has low input lag, you found a good set.
People already bought a Ps3 just for it.
The Sony ZD9 series is the only television to get super close to OLED black while becoming blazingly bright. I wish I could afford it.
i can see a difference when I look at the pics on the website but not in the OP.
Karak have you done/thought of doing some sort of buying guide, regarding 4K HDR tvs apt for gaming?
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That one has an 8-bit panel. Need a 10-bit panel for HDR. Haven't seen anything below $1k with that feature.
forcevapour
Banned
Yesssss I got my 4k oled hdr last week will get the pro when it launches and then it's ffxv time!
DangerMouse
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Yeah, they are only making 4K HDR sets.
Basically the Ultra HD Premium logo is a pretty good thing in that means that the set conforms to certain display levels agreed to in order to qualify for the label (just do a google search and you can find out more details about those requirements), so it meets those or exceeds them.
However, it's important to note that a few manufacturers are not supporting the label even on their TVs that in some models even outdo those with the label (either in part or in full), like Sony and Vizio, so not having the label doesn't necessarily mean that in some model comparisons the one without the label won't still be the better one, so it's still a good idea to compare the actual TVs you're thinking of.
Thank you for this detailed response. The reason I may need a new TV is that I'm moving country and I'm not sure if the apartment I have will even have a TV already. Given your post, though, I think I'll just get a cheap 1080p set and then look for a better model next year once we've hopefully got some better models to play games on.
Kenzodielocke
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Give us 1080p comarisons...
That's the plan. All 75 inchs!
Brad Grenz
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That's not how checkerboard rendering works. It is not a scaling technique.
I would do the same but that would barely dent the cost of the sets I'm looking at :/
SolidSnakex
Member
Black Friday will certainly have some good 4K details. Of course then the problem is getting to them in time.
Fortunately all I can fit is a 55"...and I've basically ruled out LG's OLED lol
Melchiah
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I'd like to have more information about it as well. I'm not going to buy a 4K TV until input lag goes down in HDR mode, and full-array LEDs go down in price. Based on what I've read, OLEDs seem to have the same issue as plasmas with image retention, and possible burn-in.
katsubento
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Very nice. I need a 4k tv with hdr. But low lag. That isn't a Samsung.
Wth Sony. Your TVs next year better be back to the low lag leaders.
Wth Sony. Your TVs next year better be back to the low lag leaders.