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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS |OT| It's out in Japan
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Holy Order Sol
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you must be doing this on purpose
The Great Gonzales
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Project M for Wii U and 3DS is already in the works.
That made zero intuitive sense. And it only did that a little, because 90% of the time there was a "correct DI" in most situations. This is simpler, yet I think creates a more interesting choice for the attacker and defender. As I highlighted in my previous post, the question now becomes: towards or away from the attack?
Fidelis Hodie
Infidelis Cras
This. This boy right here.
We're going to wreck people.
entremet
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I've been saying since I got the demo. Top tier character.
This. This boy right here.
We're going to wreck people.
johnsavage
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Has anyone actually tested the vectoring stuff with combos at low percentages? I only have the demo and no friends so I can't test it myself. I'm trying stuff with the computer, but it's difficult to see any kind of influence when holding a direction.
the answer is always away because even if you're knocked off stage (and it's much likelier that you won't, you'll get just far enough away to deny a follow-up) you can recover incredibly easily
And the answer is always the same, "Away at lower percents, Towards at higher".
It extends the game more than it needs to, people already live to high percents in this game, now we know we're able to decrease knocback and we're able to negate a load of combos meaning we'll reach those percents even slower.
I think people are going way overboard with the negativity.
As Strongbad said, we have no idea how much influence this "vectoring" will have on hitstun distance-if it's only like 5% or so, it shouldn't be a big deal, especially since
DI as we know it is apparently gone (thus making the hitstun angle more predictable for an attacker).
As Strongbad said, we have no idea how much influence this "vectoring" will have on hitstun distance-if it's only like 5% or so, it shouldn't be a big deal, especially since
DI as we know it is apparently gone (thus making the hitstun angle more predictable for an attacker).
There is no choice. Hold up to get out of combos and hold in to survive strong attacks. Holding away from the attack would meaning pushing yourself into the blast zones (which is fine if you are trying to lose).
Yes, that's the issue.
The new DI system is simpler, yes, but it's definitely a bad change. If you're at low percent, you'll almost always just want to DI away to escape any potential followups (ruining the combo game that was already barely there), and if you're getting hit at higher percents, you'll always just want to hold towards the stage.
If this works like people are fearing it does, then yes, it will probably be like Brawl all over again.
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I never really got how DI worked in earlier Smash games but trying out that 'vector' thing in the demo while I let the level 9 Link wail on me upwards made the difference a bit obvious. KO'd through the ceiling around 120% when I was 'vectoring' upwards the entire time, while I KO'd around 150% at the ceiling when I vectored downwards. Did I do that right?
At the same time I kind of feel like a human player aware of what I'm doing would just change their tactics when I'm at a higher percentage and start trying to KO me downwards or horizontally if vectoring is only that effective when you're being launched upwards, but I'll let people more into this stuff debate it.
At the same time I kind of feel like a human player aware of what I'm doing would just change their tactics when I'm at a higher percentage and start trying to KO me downwards or horizontally if vectoring is only that effective when you're being launched upwards, but I'll let people more into this stuff debate it.
Fidelis Hodie
Infidelis Cras
Plant trees for mindgames, launch rockets for coverage, slingshot offstage for Jiggly style offstage melee play.
And the lazy eyes of that alt are so hilarious. We just wrecked you and don't even care.
So instead of DI-ing in a different direction the old way to escape combos you'll DI to escape combos? It really depends on the magnitude of the new DI.
What? No way.. If true
I was hoping hitstun shuffle wouldn't be to big of a difference even if was done effectively. In regards to escaping combos at low %s
Old DI didn't affect the distance you travelled at all though, if the attacker correctly guessed the direction in which the defender was going to DI, they could still perform a followup.
In this one, it directly increases your knockback, meaning even if the attacker guesses correctly, the defender is going to be out of hitstun and able to act before you reach them.
MannyToons
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This. This boy right here.
We're going to wreck people.
Heh. Chillager. Too bad that guy's got nothing on Starey Eyes McGee:
Wreck-It Ralph
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Maybe we can wait until we see this new thing in action before we declare the game ruined.
That's 1 stage (2 if you count FD w/ wall sides, vs nothing underneath) with different skins. Then you have battlefield and yoshi. 3 tournament legal stages.
MrSaturn99
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Same. If it does end up negatively affecting the metagame, then my condolences.
I got one! Yeah, BY2K! Yeeeeaaah!
Jawmuncher
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Best Villager.
FTFY
Holy Order Sol
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Well right now we know it's a thing, gotta wait for tests showing exactly how effective it is.
People here have been talking about how things work in the game, like, what happens when you play, but apparently you're more interested in having people agree with you and complaining about others being "negative" because "opinions". Explaining shit to you is a waste of time. You don't care.
Regulus Tera
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Too early to see if this is gonna end up negatively affecting the metagame.
Huh?
OricWindstar
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I hate to be that guy, but where did all this DI talk come from? Was there a new discovery regarding it and how exactly does DI work in Smash 4?
Dr. Buni
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Technically yes, you are right. The variety of skins and music is awesome, though. It would have been great if each stage had a FD and Battlefield variation, though.
She is the second best~
Hey, I am with too! I am okay with the new "DI".
Yeah! Daisy shirt for life.
Best Villager.
Benzychenz
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I don't even know what DI means so sounds like a non-issue.
Fidelis Hodie
Infidelis Cras
Best Villager.
Heh. Chillager. Too bad that guy's got nothing on Starey Eyes McGee:
Posers. Crazy eyes dude freaks me out though, that's for sure. Cotton Candy just looks like a scrub.
Chillager though, already my favorite.
So this new mechanic, whatever it is, makes it so there aren't really any fixed bread and butter combos that work all the time? So there are contextual combos or something that only work against an opponent at a particular % range? I'm not competitive, so correct me if I'm not understanding that.
If it means the game is predominantly mix-ups, I don't really have much of a problem with that, even as a potential spectator of competitive play.
If it means the game is predominantly mix-ups, I don't really have much of a problem with that, even as a potential spectator of competitive play.
Wreck-It Ralph
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The Great Gonzales
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For everyone who missed it, this post explains vectoring/KBI/whatever we're calling it.
MrSaturn99
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Nothing beats the classic.
...and Prism Tower.
Plus, maybe the community will become a tad more forgiving of certain stage hazards if they aren't random-there's a long thread on Smashboards about that.
Exactly this.
You guys are ridiculous.
Regulus Tera
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PadWarrior
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Game is fine for me. Only complaint is that it's not out before Oct 3rd in NA.
Perhaps, but we don't know how much yet. Let's see how the metagame is effected WHEN the metagame is effected. Until then it's just paranoia.
This, let's wait and see...
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