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Terrorist attack: Driver runs over Muslim pedestrians leaving Mosque in London
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.... What are you on about boo.? I don't understand where you are going with this
chicken_pasta
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It's so sad seeing how "terrorism" is now exclusively linked to Islamic terrorism, but when it comes to white terrorists, media has a hard time calling it by its name.
spiderman123
Member
Not dog piling here. But the case for whether it can be called a hate crime or domestic terrorism depends on certain specifics of the case. I would def prefer this being called a act of terrorism.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/19/us/hate-crime-or-terrorism-definition-trnd/index.html
I not sure how it works in the U.K
A hate crime he says, with a shrug.
It's a crime that shows hatred of muslims, true. That crime is terrorism:
Its on sky news as a potential Terrorist Attack
Edit: added the word potential, sorry my bad
chicken_pasta
Banned
I hope the rest follow suit. This for sure qualifies as terrorism.
Deaf Spacker
Memb
It's a terrorist attack and anyone who tries to say otherwise is a dick.
This is how this sort of thing is described until it's proven as not an accident.
It's on the BBC as a potential terrorist attack as well, when it's confirmed I am almost certain it will be called a terrorist attack.
It's an awful thing to happen in ANY month.
ShironRedshift
Member
Damn. Really hope that there don't end up being any more fatalities. 
Bomb attacks are still targeted. They attack places and events that they know will have a higher concentration of the demographics they want to kill. But even then you're ignoring the simple fact that the difference between terrorism and a hate crime is political motivation.
Palette Swap
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FWIW, that definition makes the Charlie attack not a terrorist attack. You'll easily see why it doesn't work.
every terrorist attack is targeted, dude
A terrorist attack is by definition designed to cause fear (literally just look at the word). If you're being more specifically targeted, of course it's a more effective attack.
Terrorism isn't just random attacks that make you specifically feel less at ease.
Oh of course! I just wouldn't be surprised if it happened in any other month.
I would have just expected people to leave Muslims alone on this month, for once. But that's too much to ask.
Golden_Pigeon
Banned
Terrorism is a "how", hate crime is a "why".
Not very hard to understand.
Not very hard to understand.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Terrorism doesn't do time-outs for anyone.
Oh, so when ISIS and other extremists blow up Sunni/Christian mosques/churches in the Middle East, that isn't terrorism because they're targeting members of a specific religion? The Church shooting in the States last year wasn't terrorism either I suppose.
FullMetalx117
Member
Ugh...stuff like this really shows how news outlets can be grossly biased and will label events based on what they want the general narrative to be. It's pathetically blatant this time so hopefully they can get their act together.
Peace to the victims and families
Peace to the victims and families
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Just want to say that so far it is being covered in the way posters here wanted. Terrorism, Islamophobia and right wing extremism are all being thrown around and haven't heard a single mental illness excuse. We have issues with our media but it ain't fox news.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Last night's terrorist attack, and it was a terrorist attack, is another example of extremist views manifesting in dangerous forms.
Can we call this hate preachers and extremist propaganda like Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson, the Sun and Daily Mail inciting hate?
I genuinely feel that one of the biggest issues is that things like this are now bubbling under the surface, where the anti-Muslim rhetoric is now "acceptable" and, thus, violence is becoming an appropriate response. The terrorists will be hailed as heroes by the extremists.
Can we call this hate preachers and extremist propaganda like Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson, the Sun and Daily Mail inciting hate?
I genuinely feel that one of the biggest issues is that things like this are now bubbling under the surface, where the anti-Muslim rhetoric is now "acceptable" and, thus, violence is becoming an appropriate response. The terrorists will be hailed as heroes by the extremists.
Angelus Errare
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Well many white people have a problem calling it terrorism because they feel like they're implicating themselves. It's why these acts are always framed as an individual failing when there is no other label they can put on that person that separates him/her from all the good honest folks who just happen to be the same skin color.
It's also why it's so easy to attribute the actions of a few to all other non white people.
NorthAndSouth
Member
This is so scary. There was a Muslim teen murdered last night on her way home from prayers in the US, the Quebec mosque shooting and now this. It's becoming so unstable that it's just not safe to be a practicing Muslim.
But what's really sickening is that the general consensus is that the Muslim community in the U.K. "had it coming" or that this is somehow "revenge". All terrorism is branded as "revenge". It's not "unfortunate" that the "wrong people were targeted" it's just murder, plain and simple.
It's basically become an us versus them narrative, which leaves the vast majority of moderate Muslims in extreme jeopardy. I think that with the way this situation is headed in a few years time it will no longer be possible to be a Muslim in Western/ European countries.
But what's really sickening is that the general consensus is that the Muslim community in the U.K. "had it coming" or that this is somehow "revenge". All terrorism is branded as "revenge". It's not "unfortunate" that the "wrong people were targeted" it's just murder, plain and simple.
It's basically become an us versus them narrative, which leaves the vast majority of moderate Muslims in extreme jeopardy. I think that with the way this situation is headed in a few years time it will no longer be possible to be a Muslim in Western/ European countries.
It's not as if plenty of societies don't live with this kind of shit far far more and have for decades. How many terror attacks and bombings in countries happen every day, and nobody bats an eye.
Society will be fine and we are generally progressing to less violence.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Go away with your U.S. political point scoring. Take it to a thread that deserves it.
nah, he'll stay
Doctor_Thomas
Member
It's especially hard for some to call it terrorism because any Islamic terrorism attack has been the fault of Muslims and it's Muslims who should be showing remorse and Muslims who should be doing more to stop it and the responsibility is Islam. When you push that narrative it's hard to paint "one of your own" as a terrorist.
IrishNinja
Member
yeah, always wanna say trump's america but it happened here & everywhere else long before him & will do so long after
Historically, the UK has labelled white people as terrorists quite commonly, most recently with "the troubles". I think it might be worse than that, I think that the media might just not care about terrorism if the victims aren't white.
It's still early though, hopefully this starts getting proper coverage and a thorough investigation.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
nah, his posts generally have substance and are on point. I see why that scares you. Facing your own countries bigotry issues can be hard. The UK isn't free from that.
"at this early stage"
"however the investigation continues"
I am going to be shocked when 2 more are arrested but they "didn't want to alert the suspects" - (new) standard practice.
Hope I'm wrong, because that's some nasty stuff.
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