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The Digital Bits on PS4 Pro and 4K Blu-Ray
- Thread starter EdReedFan20
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RedAssedApe
Banned
so much for "one sony"
do your job kaz!
do your job kaz!
Branniganz Love
Member
So they don't want the PS4 Pro undercutting their soon to be released UHD 4K bluray player? Sounds like a bit of a misstep since Xbox will be able to play that same exact undercutting roll with the 1S. I don't know, maybe I'm not understanding this correctly.
Hey does the PS4 Pro have a UHD Drive?
Sony: Sorry no
What.. you jest?
Sony: there was a lack of consumer interest
ppfftt what?!
Wait wait.. I get it Ridgy was right!
Sony: What?
You are gona firmware update the systems
Sony: What no...
Haha I get see through your lies
Sony: Sorry there will be no UHD support
Surrreeee nudge nudge
Sony: Sorry no
What.. you jest?
Sony: there was a lack of consumer interest
ppfftt what?!
Wait wait.. I get it Ridgy was right!
Sony: What?
You are gona firmware update the systems
Sony: What no...
Haha I get see through your lies
Sony: Sorry there will be no UHD support
Surrreeee nudge nudge
shouamabane
Member
When PS4 Pro has UHD support, I'll consider buying one.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Wait, Sony has yet to release standalone UHD blu-ray players? Huh, for a company pushing 4k tvs, they seem less gung ho about 4k blurays.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I believe in UHD off hard drive media collection than UHD physical media collection. I bought a TON of Blu Ray discs over the years which I recently sold most of at a decent loss. I don't want to get the disc out, load the disc, play the disc, out the disc back. I just want to play the movie once if I haven't seen it and move on unless it is that special. Content for me stands much more of a chance off of a hard drive or streamed than a disc. I could care less if it does support UHD disc playback or not. If it is the same hardware, I hope it gets a patch to allow it. If it isn't possible, I'm sure most people will get over it.
ALLseeingEYE
Member
So it seems that Sony as a whole is even more divided, and in turn, this is causing brilliant Sony from 2013 to become, the currently clueless Sony of 2016?
Is this legit? I sincerely doubt Sony would incorporate the tech for UHD Blu-ray, and simply block it out. If the Gaming side of Sony is even further from the Sony Consumer Electronics side that dictates UHD, why would they care, when it puts thier market dominance in jeopardy, even a little bit?
I thought about Jeff Rigby being "REDEEMED!!!" at the end of that quoted portion from Bill Hints thoughts lol.
makingmusic476
Member
Plus, a UHD-less ps4 would encourage people to adopt any other UHD player, not just Sony's alternatives.
This speculation sounds like a bunch of malarkey.
This speculation sounds like a bunch of malarkey.
shouamabane
Member
Sony Pictures is one of the biggest UHD Blu-Ray producers. Yet Sony seems to be making pretty little effort to get players out there. It makes no sense.
EdReedFan20
Member
There's this tidbit through, from a a CNET article earlier in the year from talking about Sony 4K Blu-Ray players not releasing until 2017:
https://www.cnet.com/news/sony-4k-blu-ray-player-might-not-arrive-until-2017/
That quote makes me wonder if Sony will actually cancel their player altogether. They don't seem high on it. Also, I was listening to the PSNation Podcast and they brought up something I never knew. Sony is part of the consortium that created Blu-Ray. However, the are not part of the consortium that created UHD Blu-Ray (4K Blu-Ray), meaning they'd have to pay a license to use the format, whereas with normal Blu-Ray, they don't. I haven't confirmed this myself yet.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
What hes banned!? =/
I am curious if they can add in 4K blu-ray with a firmware update. 3D blu-ray in the PS3 and HDR in the PS4 were both updates I would not have thought possible.
If they could, I feel like Sony would have aput a statement put that it was coming after launch or just put it in first.
If they could, I feel like Sony would have aput a statement put that it was coming after launch or just put it in first.
ethomaz
Banned
What I'm saying is that technically any Blu-Ray drive with max 128 Mbps (for 100GB UHD) is capable to play UHD discs because there is no hardware difference except the required read speeds.
PS4 BD drive has 6x read speeds or using the same metric 216 Mbps. So PS4 BD drive can read twice faster than what UHD discs require.
There is no technical impediment to PS4 BD drive read UHD discs.
Any BD drive with over 4x read speeds fits the requirements to read UHD discs.
PS4 BD drive has 6x read speeds or using the same metric 216 Mbps. So PS4 BD drive can read twice faster than what UHD discs require.
There is no technical impediment to PS4 BD drive read UHD discs.
Any BD drive with over 4x read speeds fits the requirements to read UHD discs.
This.
Also, even if physical media is on its way out the door (may be 2yrs or 10 for all we know), there is still a vast number of people who own bluray that would love the upconvert/better image quality from the uhd bluray player. As I believe dvds get an image bump when played in regular bluray players.
Are you certain the laser (diameter, strength, wavelength etc) is the same? That is the question.
ethomaz
Banned
Yes, same.
Ask yourself... your old Android phone can run easily the last Android version, why the maker didn't release an upgrade??? Because they want to sell a new phone.
Source?
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Are you sure about that part about Sony? They are on the board for the consortium known as the BDA, elected because they were also part of the 2002 founding 9 companies which created the consortium along with MIT.
EdReedFan20
Member
I'm going to put this into my original post. Nice summary!
No, I'm not sure. I was just reiterating what was said on the PSNation Podcast. They said UHD has a different consortium than the BDA.
Edit- A quick look seems to show that BDA is doing UHD. So I'm not sure where PSNation got their information.
2blackcats
Member
I believe in Jeff Rigby.
onken
Member
This has got to be the biggest non-issue in the gaming scene for a while now - we'll be well into the next hardware cycle before 4K BD has any kind of catalog worth caring about (assuming the whole format still exists...). At this point in time, at best it's a nice-to-have for a fraction of people and at worst just a tick box for console warz.
Good luck with that ever happening.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Why? There are hard drive products out there offering something along these lines now.
I believe this also & I think Sony/PlayStation is playing hardball with the Ultra HD alliance for whatever reason.
And yes Sony will win because they will have millions of consoles in homes that they could flip the switch into UHD Blu-ray players or they can let the format die.
"What you gonna do?"
And yes Sony will win because they will have millions of consoles in homes that they could flip the switch into UHD Blu-ray players or they can let the format die.
"What you gonna do?"
shouamabane
Member
Yuck.
EdReedFan20
Member
Assuming you are right (and Bill Hunt, too of course), I could see it being where they bring up the fact that Blu-Ray might have won the HD format war because of PS3 including it in every console.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
This is more true than I care to admit.
It's nice to know it may still be an option for the PS4k, but i'm more worried about Blu-ray UHD surviving.
HDR combined with 4k makes it a worthwhile upgrade, but you have to convince enough people.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Am I reading it wrong or aren't Sony in that alliance/consortium?
http://www.uhdalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/UHD-Alliance-Announcement-Press-Release.pdf
Adam Tyner
Member
Your skepticism is warranted. From playstation.com:
It's in Japanese, but Masayasu Ito, who leads the PlayStation hardware team, said in an interview last year that the drive in the launch PS4s can't read Ultra HD Blu-ray media, citing issues with the third layer.
This echoes what Albert Penello said about the optical drive in the launch Xbox One:
...and what Stacey Spears (who was intimately involved in all aspects of video output on the Xbox One) also said:
. . .
Sony took forever to get their first standalone Blu-ray player on the market too (although they turned it around faster than this).
I have no idea how much stock to put into this, but the speculation I've seen making the rounds for quite a long while on some of my home theater message boards is that Sony's Blu-ray players use MediaTek SoCs, and MediaTek's UHD BD SoC wasn't scheduled to even go into wide production until the second half of this year. That may be why it's taking as long as it is, although I don't think Sony would've been there with a player on day one (or month three or four) regardless.
Sony is very aggressively releasing Ultra HD Blu-ray software, though. They showed off a prototype UHD BD player at IFA earlier this month, and they'll almost certainly have more to say at their presser at CEDIA tomorrow. I can't imagine competing physical UHD media at this point. That's suicidal.
EdReedFan20
Member
Big Green Anus
Member
I'm worried about buying a Pro this hear since there could be a Pro with UHD drive next year.
Robot Pants
Member
A different article with the same conslusion came up in one of the threads following the PlayStation Conference, and I'll say what I said before:
I hope this ends up being the case. If they want to sell their own UHD players for a bit first and hey end up patching the PS4 Pro later, I can live with that. I just really would like to not spend another 400 bucks on a player and honestly another device completely.
So I could wait a bit. But I hope it's possible
I hope this ends up being the case. If they want to sell their own UHD players for a bit first and hey end up patching the PS4 Pro later, I can live with that. I just really would like to not spend another 400 bucks on a player and honestly another device completely.
So I could wait a bit. But I hope it's possible
EdReedFan20
Member
No. This has nothing to do with PS4/PS4 Slim. Only PS4 Pro. He always claimed that the PS4's from 2013 would be 4K Blu-Ray players.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I think we're agreeing? I am not sure, but I think so. Either way, I'm not quite sure why they wouldn't include the tech in their box as they're part of the BDA and were part of UHD. Maybe they don't want to absorb the hardware costs? No clue.
family_guy
Member
As far as having competing products, what difference does it make? Someone looking to buy a standalone UHD player probably has no knowledge or interest about a gaming system that supports UHD discs, so you haven't lost that sale. If anything, you could sell the PS4 as your only UHD player, and then you might get that customer who originally only cared about movies to get invested in gaming and your other services. Until 4k players are cheaper than $150, you'll never get even close to 1080p Bluray sales numbers so limiting your potential customer pool by not supporting it on PS4 seems really stupid. I personally would not have gotten into buying DVDs until much later if I didn't have the functionality in my PS2. Same thing with Blurays in my PS3.
crazies spreading..
andythinkpad
Member
Probably worth it for Sony since only a handful of people want UHD.
EdReedFan20
Member
Yeah. I thought it was clear from the quote in the original post that this only deals with PS4 Pro. Nothing about this speculation from The Digital Bits validates anything that Jeff Rigby said, as the PS4/PS4 Slim are not 4K devices. Yes, they now have HDR support, but not 4K.
Maybe they want a bigger piece of the pie
Pestilence11
Member
So it could be added in an update. Why they're cutting it from launch baffles me, if true. It's not as if physical media sales are on the rise.
Oops was talking about PS4 Pro.
Well, there it is. Thanks for quoting those articles, I remember reading those but couldn't find them. Case closed, the OT is just blah blah speculation by digital bits, physically is impossible.