I haven't seen this movie so i'm not going to read the thread but I just wanted to throw a barb at Peter Jackson and say I'm glad people are finally starting to realize what a fucking hack he is. The first Hobbit movie and the LOTR movies are as bad as the Star Wars prequels still would have been if George Lucas directed them but they had a decent first-draft script. As a human Peter Jackson seems pretty cool but as a director he is garbage mixed with dog poop mixed with pineapple juice.
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The Hobbit Part 3: TBOFA What was the worst part? Of this god awful film. *Spoilers*
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shacklesmcgee
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This was it for me, the moral of the day is be like Alfrid, a piece of shit and coward, and you'll end up fine but also really rich.
This movie showed to me Jackson isn't very good at all
Garuda1One
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the scene after thorin talked with bilbo.. where suddenly he realized that he's such a dick.. the floor covered in gold, theres this people whispering, talking about how bad he is,, then suddenly thorin got sucked into the floor..
then THE epitome of bad
the scene where the nazgul and sauron were driven away by lady galadriel.. they hover around like ghost in b movie then "you have no power hereee".. then boomm then gone...
my God that was awful
then THE epitome of bad
the scene where the nazgul and sauron were driven away by lady galadriel.. they hover around like ghost in b movie then "you have no power hereee".. then boomm then gone...
my God that was awful
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Movie was fine. Best of the three. Despite them being able to do this story in 2 movies, it wasn't nearly as bad as OP suggests.
The Hobbit movies are alright popcorn flicks, but the LOTR movies are outstanding. Get outta here.
The Hobbit movies are alright popcorn flicks, but the LOTR movies are outstanding. Get outta here.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
She'll be the all new 5th ending in the Return of the King Ultra Special Extended Edition.
Disliked:
*Alfrid (too much screen time, then no comeuppance)
*Bard's over the top action and Disney family moments
*Wereworms
*No wargs! I can accept changing the goblins to orcs, but why no wargs?
*Elves jumping over the dwarf shield wall without firing a single arrow
*Orc communication flag post- How did it get there with no one noticing?
*Women, old men and children proclaiming they will fight followed by ...nothing
*Legolas air walking fight
*Gandalf being over suspicious of the ring
*Round two fight with Azgog bursting through the ice
*Thraundil's out of place final lines to Legolas and Tauriel
*The rushed farewell with Bilbo
*Personal quirky dislike- when Bard injures the Major during his escape from prison- Bard came off sadistic. Stephen Fry's acting in those few second made it the most violent attack in the movie.
Things I did like:
*Smaug mocking Bard- an appropriated added dragon screen time
*Pretty much any scene with Thraundil- Lee Pace was excellent
*Bit late, but Bilbo final felt integral to the story- Freeman had some time to shine in this one
*Interactions between Bilbo and Thorin
*Alfrid (too much screen time, then no comeuppance)
*Bard's over the top action and Disney family moments
- Bard's homemade son crossbow that took Smaug down
- Too many times the family was in danger and dad had to save them in heroic cartoon fashion. Family pose.
- Last dialogue with Alfrid that alluded to family is Bard's strength
*Wereworms
*No wargs! I can accept changing the goblins to orcs, but why no wargs?
*Elves jumping over the dwarf shield wall without firing a single arrow
*Orc communication flag post- How did it get there with no one noticing?
*Women, old men and children proclaiming they will fight followed by ...nothing
*Legolas air walking fight
*Gandalf being over suspicious of the ring
*Round two fight with Azgog bursting through the ice
*Thraundil's out of place final lines to Legolas and Tauriel
*The rushed farewell with Bilbo
*Personal quirky dislike- when Bard injures the Major during his escape from prison- Bard came off sadistic. Stephen Fry's acting in those few second made it the most violent attack in the movie.
Things I did like:
*Smaug mocking Bard- an appropriated added dragon screen time
*Pretty much any scene with Thraundil- Lee Pace was excellent
*Bit late, but Bilbo final felt integral to the story- Freeman had some time to shine in this one
*Interactions between Bilbo and Thorin
Badlucktroll
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This is what Jackson said about The Silmarlillion "Its a legal thing. The Tolkien estate owns the writings of Professor Tolkien The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings were sold by Professor Tolkien [in] the late 60s
the film rights, he told media including THR."
They've looked into getting the rights.
They've looked into getting the rights.
Jack Remington
Banned
The Hobbit trilogy joins Inception and Avatar as films that the majority liked, but the haters are SO vocal that you'd think they were Uwe Bol-tier by reading a typical thread.
Deified Data
Banned
Glad someone else was bothered by this. There was nothing about him that had to be CG. It felt like they were just doing CG for CG sake. The character had a cool look too, which makes it that much more shameful that they didn't use any practical effects. I mean, I'd understand resorting to CG when he's astride his battle hog, but they used CG when the camera was inches from his face.
ScottSullivan
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The movie would have been infinitely better without the Alfrid "story" if you can call it that
EatinOlives
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My guess is that he was the "comic relief character", though him having no resolution hurts the character.
I see this a lot but I disagree; the movie would have still been terrible.
I also disagree with the people saying the "mounts" were cool...just no, they just look like some World of Warcraft video game bullshit that I don't want to see on film.
There is a lot to nitpick or bitch about I'll agree. But op bitching about a dragon having good eyesight when I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a dragon in any fantasy setting having less than an Eagles type of eyesight on steroids and also complaining about a dragon being over confident and cocky is wierd since they are perfectly acceptable.
Jack Remington
Banned
There's a lot to nitpick, but I can't think of many films whose highs were as high. The movie could sweep a "Best action sequences of 2014" list.
Not many directors do action scenes as well as PJ.
Not many directors do action scenes as well as PJ.
Really? Maybe if the only films you have seen were the other Hobbit films...
Monocle
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sindbadthesailor
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The theatrical edition of the Fellowship of the Ring is the best movie of the LOTR trilogy. It's all downhill from there though, as Jackson pretty much goes nuts with the CGI or corrupts every character for the sake of drama and tension.
As for the Hobbit part 3, the worst part is a toss up between Alfrid, superhero Legolas and the utter lack of conclusions to all the major story lines. It'd probably be easier to list the good parts, if I can think of any.
As for the Hobbit part 3, the worst part is a toss up between Alfrid, superhero Legolas and the utter lack of conclusions to all the major story lines. It'd probably be easier to list the good parts, if I can think of any.
Jack Remington
Banned
It always blows my mind how so many people can be so wrong about the same thing.
They won't get them.
Replace theatrical with extended and you're golden.
nrvalleytime
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What in the world are you talking about. The LOTR films are respected at a critical, commercial, artistic, and communal level. Some of the best films ever made, and you're comparing them to the Star Wars prequels?
By the way, the criticism you level at the films is completely substantiated (aside from a passing reference to the script) from your own thoughts. There's no criticism of the films, just a rant.
Beren the Empty-Handed
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I'm a fan of the books, and enjoyed the LotR film trilogy even though I see it as a different thing. The Hobbit novel is actually one of my favorites. So a few years ago I was really excited to see these movies.
Ugh. They completely missed all of the spirit and intention of the Hobbit. They were too busy trying to make a prequel to the Lord of the Rings, instead of just letting the Hobbit be it's own thing, like how the novel has a completely different tone than the LotR books. And this movie was the culmination of garbage in this trilogy. There were things that they threw out of from the book for no reason, bad CGI (those elves...), random sidestuff, people acting out of character, things they threw into the movie for almost no reason that weren't in the book, stuff that just made no sense (the worms coming in and immediately disappearing)...
Also, did anyone else think that Dain was just plain miscast? I get that it was supposed to be comedic relief (though that's a different conversation), but there was just no weight to anything he did.
Ugh. They completely missed all of the spirit and intention of the Hobbit. They were too busy trying to make a prequel to the Lord of the Rings, instead of just letting the Hobbit be it's own thing, like how the novel has a completely different tone than the LotR books. And this movie was the culmination of garbage in this trilogy. There were things that they threw out of from the book for no reason, bad CGI (those elves...), random sidestuff, people acting out of character, things they threw into the movie for almost no reason that weren't in the book, stuff that just made no sense (the worms coming in and immediately disappearing)...
Also, did anyone else think that Dain was just plain miscast? I get that it was supposed to be comedic relief (though that's a different conversation), but there was just no weight to anything he did.
ChosenPredator
Banned
I just want to see how elves breed into orcs on film
Monocle
Member
Me too. I wouldn't even mind if that were covered in a sequel to Shadow of Mordor or something. Seems like it would be a grotesque but interesting process.
Megalosaro
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That's not how it works. Orcs are very much their own species at this point. Morgoth Bauglir basically took some elves captive when they first awoke tens of thousands of years before LotR took place, and he twisted them. In order for him to manipulate things, he needed to pour his will into them, sort of like what Sauron did with the One Ring, but on a MUCH larger scale, which he was able to do since he was of a higher order.
One of the neater concepts is the concept that Arda (the world Middle earth exists in) is Morgoth's Ring.
Lone_Prodigy
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The worst part for me was Thorin's "dragon sickness". We get it, he's not himself, getting all paranoid and homicidal. Do we need numerous scenes of evil whispering with freaky camera angles, culminating in a dream sequence on a floor of melted gold? A little subtlety would be appreciated Jackson.
I think the Orc fortress in the north was a wasted opportunity. At least have Legolas and Tauriel go inside and explore, instead of standing outside and watching them march.
I think the Orc fortress in the north was a wasted opportunity. At least have Legolas and Tauriel go inside and explore, instead of standing outside and watching them march.
Jack Remington
Banned
The first was by far the worst IMO.
AUJ: 6/10
DOS: 8/10
BotFA: 8.5/10
AUJ: 6/10
DOS: 8/10
BotFA: 8.5/10
Megalosaro
Banned
That was some out right asspullery there. Mount Gundabad is something like 500 miles away from the Lonely Mountain. It's much closer to Rivendell than it is The fact that Legolas could go there and back in a day or so is nonsense.
For me, I think the biggest issue was... we were watching a 2 hour long fight. That we had no build up or care for to be honest.
The lead up to the Lonely Mountain climax took almost 2 full movies. The battle, just happened, and it kept going, and eventually, wore it's welcome for me.
A lot of cool things happened during the fight sequences, but when you're watching so much fighting, it just all kind of loses it's potency.
(Also, kind of weird they would go with an all CG Azog and not a makeup one... considering how much effort went into having so many people in makeup in the LOTR)
The lead up to the Lonely Mountain climax took almost 2 full movies. The battle, just happened, and it kept going, and eventually, wore it's welcome for me.
A lot of cool things happened during the fight sequences, but when you're watching so much fighting, it just all kind of loses it's potency.
(Also, kind of weird they would go with an all CG Azog and not a makeup one... considering how much effort went into having so many people in makeup in the LOTR)
ScottSullivan
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The worst imo? Did you even read your own ratings bruh?
ScottSullivan
Member
You're right. I see what they were going for. Trying to keep the light hearted tone of the hobbit by working him in. But it was so bad. They should have gone fool goofy or full action. Straddling the line just makes it worse imo
The only high you'll find watching this film is from the weed you have to smoke to enjoy it.
For a movie so bloated with action scenes, I'm having trouble remembering a single moment I was wowed.
Not to mention, the BATTLE itself had no climax. It lasts for 2 hours (where nobody gets hurt or dies really) and then just ends abruptly off-screen. All the main characters convene somewhere and it's just assumed that they won.
SolidChamp
Banned
All of this. Pretty sure Jackson just shrugged and said "Well, I guess if nobody else is going to make it, I probably should. Oh well. Meh. Really wish I wasn't; would rather be making The Lovely Bones into a trilogy or something but...meh. Pfft, stupid Guillermo messing up my Bones Trilogy plans."
Dude went full-on James George "3D Technology First" Cameron Lucas.
Fuck him.
I have many of the same complaints about the film that you guys have, but none of that mattered to me seeing old Bilbo get up to greet Gandalf using the same dialogue from FoTR, and then ending credits song by Pippen Billy Boyd. Outstanding final scene. Cant believe it's all over, even if poorly done 
Jack Remington
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peanutbutterlatte
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I have many of the same complaints about the film that you guys have, but none of that mattered to me seeing old Bilbo get up to greet Gandalf using the same dialogue from FoTR, and then ending credits song by Pippen Billy Boyd. Outstanding final scene. Cant believe it's all over, even if poorly done
Yeah but you could have just watched Fellowship. Even the fact they insisted on having a song from an actor who played a major LotR character... again, just rewatch the gross Denethor eating a tomato scene from RotK. It's all there for you.
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