abstract alien
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That makes too much sense, so we will never see it happen. Sadly.
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That makes too much sense, so we will never see it happen. Sadly.
This is the Bonus Round I have been waiting for. Hehehe.
It means that the amount of RAM allocated to the OS in current devkits is substantially larger than on any existing console.
Possibly, and/or they're just being really really conservative with it. 512MB seems like a crapload for an embedded system, that's how much the iPad 2 and iPhone 4/4S have for comparison (while the first iPad and 3GS have 256MB).
JaseMath
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Right on. I read it wrong.
Hmm.. I'd skew that a bit younger. The CoD/Halo fans I know start young. They get home from school, throw down their lunch boxes and backpacks, forget about their long division math homework, and immediately go online to shoot at each other for a few hours. I'm talking middle school and high schoolers.
(funny how different groups think they have the high ground when they claim they're "Mature," eh?)
I'd say they're just being conservative. Keep in mind that they're probably only just getting the OS to a feature-complete state, they'll probably spend the next few months slimming it down to 256MB or less. And, as with the 3DS, we could see further reductions in firmware updates post-launch.
As ideaman suggested. Its very likely the 512MB will shrink and it could shrink by as much as half or more depending on what they settle on as far as multitasking functions etc.
Nintendo always plays this stuff very safe and then lifts restrictions. Look at the 3DS they had the 2nd core entirely locked out initially as well as larger OS footprint and then they made the changes to open up alot more resources to developers.
Nintendo always plays this stuff very safe and then lifts restrictions. Look at the 3DS they had the 2nd core entirely locked out initially as well as larger OS footprint and then they made the changes to open up alot more resources to developers.
haven't found anyone mentioning it (probably need glasses), but there's a patent showing the wiimote can interact with the Wii-U tablet:
patent info
got this from nintendolive
patent info
got this from nintendolive
Right...hell even 256 seems like a lot reserved just for the OS functions. Multitasking (separate screen and controller functions) with simple stuff doesn't seem too crazy with that much memory.
We don't know how much ram it has. People have been speculating 2GB with 512 MB allocated to the OS.
And the implication for game performances is good, hence why i stressed so much on the "stretching" of the Wii U capabilities, all the expected optimizations that will have results for developers, etc.
Concretely, let's say this studio is designing its game since 1 year with an amount of memory available for their applications of 1GB. They can't tap at all from at least 0,5GB. In a "OS optimization/trimming" scenario, they could have in the end 200MB more to play with, it's nothing to british-cup-of-tea-high-hat. And it's just one department from which possible optimizations could originates, there are several others.
It's more than 1GB. Either 1.5 or 2.
I don't know why but I got the feeling Nintendo has more than "simple stuff" in the pipe. At least I hope it's the case.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
1.7839482974 is my guess.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, there are definitely going to be a few surprises at E3 on that front. One thing I speculated about before is that they're going to allow one person to play games on the Wii U pad while the console's also streaming Netflix or whatever to the TV for someone else.
No, i've said earlier that developers are building their games with at least 1GB of memory available to them. But there's a huge other part of the total system memory that they can't access at all, and it's for the system features, etc.
It would also be nice if they have it so one person can play VC games on the tablet while the other person plays a Wii U game on the television.
TheExplodingHead
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Yeah, you're probably right. But I have a big problem referring to anyone who relies on mommy and daddy for their gaming needs "hardcore". But I am sort of a Nazi with definitions and context. In the end real hardcore gamers (like the SDA guys, and a lot of MLG guys) mainly refers to how you're playing and what's being played.
But to be honest the whole "hardcore" label just strikes me as obnoxious and juvenile. The kind of shit I used to say when I was 15.
1.5 GB confirmed.
It's possible, but it would depend on the Wii U game being Wiimote-only, which I can't imagine very many will be. It also wouldn't need anywhere near 512MB of RAM, but then again I don't suppose Netflix would either.
Now you're making it sound like there's only 1GB total.
Doooooomed!
(I can't tell if you're doing that on purpose or your French to vague English style is doing that)*
Well computationally simple, I wouldn't expect something maxing out the CPU/GPU resources and doing something else complex on the other screen cause that could possibly mess with performance. Doesn't necessarily mean super simple stuff but I'd expect limits depending on the resource usage, like Netflix would probably be fine, more complex stuff like VC games or a web browser could be a gray area depending on how much is required (although in the case of the browser, stuff could just be rendered slower I guess).
*So it was just your funky English.
TheCongressman1
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My next offering to the E3 gods, please grant us a new Zelda Wii U game.
TheExplodingHead
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^I love to see a sequel to WW that looked like that, and it'd be hilarious to once again see the forum reactions.
Well, it could work vice versa with the Wii U game on the padlet and the VC game on the TV. You're right though. It depends on the controller setup, but it would definitely be nice to be able to do this with some games. I think they'll go as far as to do what you have said, with one person streaming netflix through the tv and other person playing their game on the tablet.
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Rösti
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If it's possible to have the OS start and operate in safe mode (with only basic drivers) and unless a certain program is required to run in conjunction with every game, I think Nintendo ought to open up the system for people who wanna experiment. For some developers maybe the Classic Controller (Pro) is as interesting as the Wii U Remote, why should they be hindered by some programs they probably don't even need?
Are there OS level functions/instructions Nintendo requires are implemented in every game released for the system, that take up a large portion of the system's RAM (and other sources as well perhaps)?
Nice news anyway, because this tells me that it isn't impossible for things (graphics) to improve in quality should the first batch of games (third-party) be booed at. Although getting there might be difficult.
TheCongressman1
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Pretty much. It's what I think is the perfect mix of the artistic strengths of TP, SS, and WW.
Hey !!
It's built-in-the-words, "available for their applications" means "there's another part of the total memory pool not available to them"
1GB available for their applications, for their games, for them
and at least 0,5GB not available for their applications, for them
I explained it in math terms, with X Y Z in thread 3 i guess.
I need a signature with a summary of all the things i wrote with hyperlinks
All is tied, i just spread it since 3 months (with some updated news because what i get is evolving a tad) but i can't explain everything again and again you know
I never understood how this was such a negative for Nintendo. Reggie could sell me two cans and a string as an online gaming chat device.
TheExplodingHead
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Rösti;38001827 said:
I FULLY agree with this. A homebrew-enabled Wii U with access given by Nintendo would be amazing. Maybe a section of memory gated off, reasonable access to low level functions and the CPU/GPU for this and a few tools would be great. The dev community would love it and it would be a 100% better console. Won't happen due to piracy reasons, but it'd be nice.
My only question is what they'll do with the filesystem on external drives. How secure do we really believe Nintendo to be, and follow up on security if necessary?
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Rösti
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Well of course, but more RAM memory available for developers to use can both on short and long term mean (even) better visuals.
My next offering to the E3 gods, please grant us a new Zelda Wii U game.
I doubt there'd be a Zelda game this E3. At least a console one. Your best bet is a handheld one. ss came out not that long ago.
i think after actually playing the wind waker, most people would be thrilled. it's a gorgeous game in motion.
Rösti;38001827 said:
Yeah, if the software layer is this large/extensive, i hope that for some games (solo centered, without any online functions), developers will be able to shut down some features that would otherwise run in background like voice chat, knowing which of your friends are connected and text chatting with them, yadda yadda, to free some resources. There would be a "push the home button" problem then but they could circumvent it (basically, you'll have to wait a moment for these features to be loaded).
And yup, i think i said in my very first message, everything i've heard made me believe there are huge room for optimizations with this system, from the hardware, the development tools, the time needed to be accustomed of asymmetrical/dual screen setting, etc etc.
abstract alien
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TheCongressman1
That is some great work right there. Truly great. I would be satisfied with a tech demo, just to show how it would look.
That is some great work right there. Truly great. I would be satisfied with a tech demo, just to show how it would look.
It would cause such an amazing meltdown.
That's kind of what the ES OS sounds like it aims to do...
http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/wiki/XV_Semana_Informatica
(not really low level access, but sounds like most stuff needed is accessible but abstracted through javascript)
TheCongressman1
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Thank you very much.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect to see anything near completion. I just want to see a tech demo, a teaser or something.
I like the interview.. and kind of what want more from the gaming media.
He pressed Reggie on the issues, Reggie kept to his talking points.
I think people.. just wanted to make a shitstorm out of it because its not something you see often in gaming
Chet Rippo
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Stop being reasonable.
Been waiting for that too. They should at least have more to say about Nintendo than they did about Sony.
Sony's Conference gonna be booooooriiiiiiiing. (I bet.)
I think MS will set a new standard for boring conferences if they don't show Durango
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