bitbydeath
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I didn't say it had to be 1:1 with the original just it doesn't need to be built from the ground up with VR in mind.
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"The Witness" will have VR compatibility on PC, no support for PSVR
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I didn't say it had to be 1:1 with the original just it doesn't need to be built from the ground up with VR in mind.
Fried Food
Banned
Will it support the DK2? If so, I'll buy the game on PC. If not, I'll stick with my PS4 purchase of the game for now and rebuy the game once CV1 is out. No way I'll be able to hold off playing until CV1 is out.
texhnolyze
Banned
Yeah, just another fuel to the platform wars.
It's gloomy days from now on on GAF.
Fried Food
Banned
first person exploration/observation based game. Seems like a no brainer to me.
bitbydeath
Member
Or perhaps no cuts at all, Blow said he isn't looking into it because PS VR didn't exist when the project began not because PS VR can't handle it.
More_Badass
Member
Militant17
Member
Do we even know what makes a good VR game yet really? I get the feeling most people just want to try anything that interests them to see what it's like. I'd love to play this in VR but it's purely because I'm interested in VR and what the devs can do with it.
Why so negative?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
It's funny tho I had foolish dreams that vr would be the one thing we all could come together and say "wow this is amazing" whether from a power standpoint,games,experience I don't get how the console vs of war mentality made its way to vr
I didn't think I was being negative. Just seems to me that if VR seriously a new medium, it shouldn't be something easily tacked on to current experiences.
bitbydeath
Member
Cutbacks for DriveClub were to increase the FPS from 30->60.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...on-playstation-vr-and-its-mightily-impressive
GHG
Member
Of course it will.
You make it scaleable dependant on hardware but mostly it will only run well on high end PC's. And when people complain that they can't get the definitive VR experience on 2-3 year old PC's you can simply sit back and say "not my problem". That person has the option to either buy better hardware or turn some options down to make the framerate better.
On the ps4 you need to slave away to optimise for it and you need to make sure you get it right.
Well, yeah, no shit.
bitbydeath
Member
This is Blows reason
My argument is that DriveClub was not built from the outset with VR in mind so his statement is false.
From what I've heard, Sony uses a much less aggressive suggestion for their VR supersampling.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Maybe when your team is 8 people and it took over 7 years to make the game, it feels like an unreasonably difficult task to add VR support for a technically restrictive platform.
Even though he is speaking in the second person general, he might actually mean for their particular game it would have needed to be built for VR from an earlier point in time.
bitbydeath
Member
I agree this is likely the correct answer.
Nope, his statement continues to be true. He's talking about The Witness. He isn't talking about Driveclub.
Gauloisess24
Banned
SonyGAF in full defence force in this thread lol. Some funny quotes from the fanboys
'Just give it some time'
'VR is incredibly niche, wise choice'
'The game is not suites for VR anyway'
'They are missing a shit ton of sales now'
'Will pick it up on sale'
'Driveclub'
'Needs some Sony money for optimization'
It's ridiculous how defensive some get over this. The console is to weak, get the fuck over it.
'Just give it some time'
'VR is incredibly niche, wise choice'
'The game is not suites for VR anyway'
'They are missing a shit ton of sales now'
'Will pick it up on sale'
'Driveclub'
'Needs some Sony money for optimization'
It's ridiculous how defensive some get over this. The console is to weak, get the fuck over it.
bitbydeath
Member
The only thing stopping him is time and money not that it wasn't built with VR in mind.
More_Badass
Member
And yet he has the time and money to support PC VR? That doesn't make much sense.
The game experience as he wants it to be just couldn't be achieved on PSVR. It is as simple as that. That's all there is to it. Do you want to try and argue that Driveclub VR is only cutting back in several ways because the devs have no time and money? Guess what, the Driveclub VR isn't the complete Driveclub experience either.
But this could be said of nearly anything.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
He's saying this game needs to be in development process in order to have PSVR support.
Not all games are build in the same way. There are several variables which could impact the difficulty of implementing VR support. Could be the game engine, game programming codes and others. In this case, his game is simply made in a way where it'll be extremely hard to have PSVR support
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
You're embarrassing yourself seriously. The fact everything turns into some platform war even with vr is pathetic
biglittleps
Member
Console is not too weak and its just he does not want to port it because of efforts needed for that. Also he took almost 8 years to get the game out, so he does not want to work on PS VR support unless the game sold very well in PS4 which is the truth.
More_Badass
Member
Now you can read minds?
Somehow with this one post you manage to be more defensive than anybody.
Reading the quote and the explanation, why exactly is their controversy in the first place? His explanation has nothing to do with power.
Reallink
Member
Not a joke, it's really the only logical conclusion to draw from his comments. We know the PC version will scale down to a toaster and an Xbone version is coming, certainly they could get an adequate approximation of the game on PSVR. Straight porting a first person title into VR with standard controls has a very high chance of making people sick (50%+ in some cases). PSVR is a walled garden with certification requirements, we don't yet know what Sony is going to let through. That is in stark contrast to Steam where you can publish anything.
crazysapertonight
Member
well, that is it.jpg
await for many anouncments like this
await for many anouncments like this
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
There is no controversy that's the thing it's not coming to psvr but may come to pcvr later that's all he said. Somehow that made people go lol power and so forth. I probably sound like a parrot at this point but I really don't get why the start of something as mind blowing as vr has to immediately turn into a power pc vs console war
bitbydeath
Member
Maybe only has money for one and placed his bets on Occulus?
BernadoOne said:
Cutbacks were to get DriveClub to run at 60fps. (I put the quote in above someplace)
So doesn't that make it the logical conclusion as opposed to not building with VR in mind from the get-go?
Doesn't mean it can't be done though, just time and money are the factors.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Unless I suck at reading this doesn't even make it seem like it will for sure be coming to PC VR, and if it does it is mainly because optimizing for PSVR would be a ton of work comparatively.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Shhhhh
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Quite the blow to sony
Suzushiiro
Banned
The time and money required to support VR on PC is lower than on PS4, I'd imagine- for PC you have to support the output format and have an interface that doesn't suck with it. For PS4 you have to do that *and* scale your game's GPU demands down to the point where it can output at that resolution at a solid 60fps or higher, as opposed to the PC where you can put the expectation on the user to have hardware beefy enough to handle that. Sony has the money and motivation to do that with Driveclub, Blow doesn't with The Witness.
Hahaha, yeah. I'm sure the niche peripheral is going to really suffer from not being supported by a third party indie game that came out 6 months or so earlier.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Using a standard controller or keyboard/mouse to move around in a first person game sucks. It makes you sick. It just does and nothing can be done to solve it. Games have to designed specifically to counter this. So cockpit games, games where you teleport for locomotion etc. This game is the perfect game for teleportation and with the experience Blow had with the Vive it seems very obvious that if he's going to do VR it will be with "room" scale first. PSVR and Oculus can't do this for a variety of reasons. Occlusion, lack of proper inputs, using cameras to track, controller drift etc. It's not impossible to design an interface with these headsets but it won't be ideal.
I think the first reply you got is more like, "fuck duuuude, you made a dad joke!" *groan*
The second reply is more serious.
plasmawave
Banned
You blew it.
The Witness is already 1080p @60fps on PS4. So it's not like you'd have to do much. I assume there'd be SOME overhead for barrel distortion and whatnot, but it's not like they are having to find 30 more FPS or anything. Remember that PSVR is a single screen solution, unlike Oculus/Vive so it's not doubling the image resolution, it's halving it,
vpance
Member
Can't they just disable things like strafing and back pedaling? And make the char move slow?
IIRC PS VR requires 1/2 the pixels/sec that OR does and 1/4 Vive if you choose to render at 60hz on PS4.
Teknopathetic
Member
"The Witness is already 1080p @60fps on PS4. So it's not like you'd have to do much. I assume there'd be SOME overhead for barrel distortion and whatnot, but it's not like they are having to find 30 more FPS or anything. Remember that PSVR is a single screen solution, unlike Oculus/Vive so it's not doubling the image resolution, it's halving it,"
AFAIK, PSVR still renders the game once per eye for stereoscopic 3D just like Rift and Vive which is where the big performance hit comes from. Furthermore, Rift and Vive are using two 1080x1200 displays, one per eye. PSVR is splitting that one screen into two 960x1080 regions. They're both "halving" the resolution.
AFAIK, PSVR still renders the game once per eye for stereoscopic 3D just like Rift and Vive which is where the big performance hit comes from. Furthermore, Rift and Vive are using two 1080x1200 displays, one per eye. PSVR is splitting that one screen into two 960x1080 regions. They're both "halving" the resolution.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I am guessing time and money that he require will be significantly huge and unrealistic. That'll be like saying you can walk from the US to China on foot and then walk that great wall of China. Technically you can do that, but its unrealistic. Or you for some reason have enough money to afford an air ticket.
cheezcake
Member
So much drama over such a small statement.
I think it's pretty obvious he's not talking about PS4's power as the reason he's no developing for PSVR. He's talking about having begun development and continued with a certain target (1080p@60fps I assume) on a closed platform, trying to shift that target to what should be 1080p@90fps while also creating a need to bug test what is effectively a new platform late in development is a super fucking tall order for any small developer. Not everyone has the resources of Sony AAA first party.
On PC devkit availability for Oculus was available earlier and he doesn't have to worry about improving performance as people with beefier rigs will probably easily achieve the necessary perf reqs for VR without any intervention from the devs.
I think it's pretty obvious he's not talking about PS4's power as the reason he's no developing for PSVR. He's talking about having begun development and continued with a certain target (1080p@60fps I assume) on a closed platform, trying to shift that target to what should be 1080p@90fps while also creating a need to bug test what is effectively a new platform late in development is a super fucking tall order for any small developer. Not everyone has the resources of Sony AAA first party.
On PC devkit availability for Oculus was available earlier and he doesn't have to worry about improving performance as people with beefier rigs will probably easily achieve the necessary perf reqs for VR without any intervention from the devs.