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[Demon Ice]

The fact that they mentioned the transistor count (entirely meaningless) but avoided talking about any clock speeds (meaningful) should have alerted everybody to this.

 

[jet1911]

Man, poor MS can't catch a break lol

Seriously E3 can't come soon enough. We'll really see what the console can do compared to the PS4.

 

[Wishmaster92]

OP updated. Also, holy crap.

Wow holy shit that is bad. Ms rushed fail.... and no tech talk at e3...

 

[Raide]

...what's a tech tarbaby? :/

Seriously, though, that's...not very reassuring.

Tar Baby was a trap designed to catch people and they get caught up in it the more they struggle.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Am I dyslexic ? How come other people reading this with ooos and aaahhs?

Embrace the buttocks.

I find it quite beautiful myself, if you can look past the ugly truth behind the words.

 

[maquiladora]

ucan remo.ve RUMUR frmo hte thread tittle TEAMMOD. esram yieldls. are "troubling"toput it lightly.

truthfact.


btw youiw lil not njhear abouthing about tech atMS E3 presentation. tech tarbaby (notracistst!) IS TSTICKIER THAN YOU WIL EVER KNOW. I LOOK FORWARF TO READING THE BOOK BY VENTUREBEAT.

theyMSrushed. --caughtoutbysonychangs. leadershitfailure.p.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

When crazy buttocks speaks, you listen, and accept.

The man drops truth bombs only. Has he/she ever been wrong? I can't recall a time.

 

[Interfectum]

Is there reasoning behind cboats posting format? I feel like I'm reading into someone's mind that I shouldn't be

Some assume he does that to hide any trace of his posting / writing style.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

I don't recall his earlier posts being dyslexic, so instead if stroke I will go with him making other media searching and referring to his confirmation in blogs less of a risk, he probably does not need that attention. Kind of like the zebra pattern of leak posts.

Hopefully. Sorry, it just reminded me if an old friend.

 

[maabus1999]

MS won't lose it, but they'll will lose some hardcore gamers for sure.

Fixed. There will still be many, many hardcore gamers who will buy all 3 systems (yes, Wii U included).

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Is there reasoning behind cboats posting format? I feel like I'm reading into someone's mind that I shouldn't be

Assumedly to attempt to disguise who he is. Syntax and writing style can give a lot away about a person and this seems to obfuscate pretty well.

 

[eXite]

But but Major Nelson laughed that Sony didn't show off the PS4 hardware.

I guess Kaz is now laughing at Microsoft that they showed too much of their Hardware.

We need a kaz gif NOW

 

[gaming_noob]

I feel ashamed for defending MS the past few months. Forgive me if I offended anyone.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

wow

Ahh, I love this. I mean, it sucks the console is having problems, but this is so damn entertaining.

Yeah it is, but this also means that cross platform games will be even lower quality

 

[KOHIPEET]

This is sad if true. I was really looking forward to see a face-melting Halo 5.

Can still happen though, it's just becoming more and more unlikely.

 

[Zeroth]

But but Major Nelson laughed that Sony didn't show off the PS4 hardware.

He laughed at not showing the console itself. The hardware specs were in the conference.

 

[DopeyFish]

The man drops truth bombs only. Has he/she ever been wrong? I can't recall a time.

Once, I believe

But only once

Don't remember on what, though

 

[kingocfs]

"TRUTHFACT" should be put in the thread title

 

[AzaK]

What gamers often misunderstand is the fact that consoles aren't made with cutting edge tech but with an affordable price point in mind. It's all about compromises and tough choices for both engineers and CEOs. Sometimes they do a good job and are lucky with the outcome, sometimes things don't turn out as expected and they get louder, hotter, bigger, more complicated, pricier or all at once.

All three companies made some hardware bets, and this time it looks like MS has drawn the loser. It happens.

Still doesn't sound worse than Wii u. Although if true it might end up better for it.

 

[chubigans]

Can someone give me a post history of CBOAT? What are his connections to the gaming industry? Ex MS worker? Phil Harrison in disguise?

He has posted threads with inside info, in that style of posting. Mods have given him or her their blessing.

I think that says a LOT, really.

Once, I believe

But only once

Don't remember on what, though

Remember Me being a Sony exclusive premiere at E3 2012. But obviously that fell apart and went multiplatform.

 

[Mikor]

The man drops truth bombs only. Has he/she ever been wrong? I can't recall a time.

Never. Tag should be changed to "GAF's prophet".

 

[funkystudent]

We need some kind of crazy buttocks translator.

 

[DeFiBkIlLeR]

Can someone translate crazy buttocks on a train post into something readable?

..it's all true, problems with yields, downclock incoming, Sony PS4 reveal caught MS by surprise, Xbox design team shit their pants and panicked.

3rd console debacle coming down the tracks...

 

[Jigolo]

ucan remo.ve RUMUR frmo hte thread tittle TEAMMOD. esram yieldls. are "troubling"toput it lightly.

truthfact.


btw youiw lil not njhear abouthing about tech atMS E3 presentation. tech tarbaby (notracistst!) IS TSTICKIER THAN YOU WIL EVER KNOW. I LOOK FORWARF TO READING THE BOOK BY VENTUREBEAT.

theyMSrushed. --caughtoutbysonychangs. leadershitfailure.p.

what the fuck is this?

 

[Linkified]

No, it would require a full silicon respin and tape out. Not possible in the time we have left between now and launch. It takes around 6-9 months for a full silicon respin. For MS to have done it they would have had to start the process back in November to allow for 3 months of mass production, stockpiling, assembly and testing.

Going by the rumours it seems very unlikely that MS have a silicon respin in the works that will be ready in time for launch. Not only that, there is no guarantee that it will solve the issues, sometimes Intel get to D0 stepping cores before they have consumer grade silicon ready, asking for a huge and complex APU to be ready on a B0/1 stepping core with a passable yield is a big ask and even a third revision may not be enough.

Waiting for a respin would be a poor idea, and waiting for magical process improvements is a worse one. Either they take the pain or they downclock. It is, for once, a black and white choice.

Or just delay X1, the $99/£99 360 with a couple of exclusives would be more than sufficient this year. There is a third option ...

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Hey guys, remember when people proposed MS was scrambling? Turns out they were right.

Man, some of the threads we've had these past months will become legendary.

 

[tfur]

what the fuck is this?

The tide changing.

 

[Raide]

what the fuck is this?

Distilled truthbombs in word format.

 

[demosthenes]

Are people really having trouble reading what he wrote?

 

[Outtrigger888]

It's almost like Microsoft

Spoiler

ware

isn't a hardware company.

 

[diffusionx]

This doesn't seem like a very good bet though.

The odds that this process was going to work well seem, from doing a bit of reading but by no means as an expert on fabrication, against Microsoft.

Not sure about that, considering the 360 leaned heavily on eDRAM and it arguably kept the system pumping out great looking games far longer than it should have.

I know why MS made the decisions they did with this system, maybe it's just not panning out like it did on 360.

 

[Interfectum]

what the fuck is this?

It's the sound of the Kaz train coming your way.

 

[Evolved1]

Can someone translate crazy buttocks on a train post into something readable?

sure

ucan remo.ve RUMUR frmo hte thread tittle TEAMMOD. esram yieldls. are "troubling"toput it lightly.

truthfact.


btw youiw lil not njhear abouthing about tech atMS E3 presentation. tech tarbaby (notracistst!) IS TSTICKIER THAN YOU WIL EVER KNOW. I LOOK FORWARF TO READING THE BOOK BY VENTUREBEAT.

theyMSrushed. --caughtoutbysonychangs. leadershitfailure.p.

Mods, you can remove "rumor" from the title. ESRAM yields are "troubling", to put it lightly.

This is factual truth.

Btw, you won't hear tech talk at MS' conference. And the tech cannot change at this point. They're stuck with it.

MS rushed, they were caught off guard by Sony, due to a failure in leadership.

edit: I might have gotten the tarbaby thing wrong... only vaguely familiar with the reference.

 

[1-D_FTW]

So yields are poor. Check (but any clarity on clocks?).

E3 won't mention any tech (so confirms just games???).

MS rushed the design. (or in this case I also think AMD overpromised. ESRAM at 32 mb is pretty large).

Isn't TSMC involved in this process? They're pretty notorious at under delivering on promises (at least if you were to ask Nvidia). If they're the ones doing the fabbing, and this is truly an exotic design, none of those guys should have been shocked. Any other result would have been shocking.

 

[Foffy]

This...

This is something, if true. Hilarious, even.

 

[Clevinger]

ucan remo.ve RUMUR frmo hte thread tittle TEAMMOD. esram yieldls. are "troubling"toput it lightly.

truthfact.


btw youiw lil not njhear abouthing about tech atMS E3 presentation. tech tarbaby (notracistst!) IS TSTICKIER THAN YOU WIL EVER KNOW. I LOOK FORWARF TO READING THE BOOK BY VENTUREBEAT.

theyMSrushed. --caughtoutbysonychangs. leadershitfailure.p.

Buddy, stop binge drinking before you post. I'm worried about your health.

 

[Felix Lighter]

What is a worse situation:

Being severely supply constrained out of the gate and for a significant amount of time, bringing potential customers to stores with your marketing, who then may chose the in-stock competing product or delay the launch while you increase your production, so your launch hype and marketing blitz can coincide with actually having product in stores to sell yet giving your competition time to build up momentum while they are alone in the market?

 

[PhatSaqs]

Man, poor MS can't catch a break lol

Seriously E3 can't come soon enough. We'll really see what the console can do compared to the PS4.

Somehow I doubt this lol.

 

[Truant]

From the little I know, the only thing affected by this will be the number of units available at launch. No changes in silicone, speed, or performance.

Not sure if my source is legit, though.

 

[DopeyFish]

Remember Me being a Sony exclusive premiere at E3 2012. But obviously that fell apart and went multiplatform.

Oh, then twice

Because that wasn't it

(I never heard of remember me until two weeks ago)

 

[Donnie]

GPU? APU? GPU/CPU? I don't know which. A lot of conflicting suggestions. Those who understand it better will have to hash it out. I don't know what the most appropriate term would should be.

GPU is fine for the title. I mean technically its an APU which includes the CPU/GPU and eSRAM, and is the part they're having yield problems with so that's what they'll be downclocking.

However while technically that's true they could possibly change some APU settings so that only the GPU ends up slower. So considering at the moment we've only heard of a GPU downclock I'd say "GPU" is best to use in the title as its going to be clearer and easier to understand for most of GAF

 

[Graphics Horse]

leadershit indeed

 

[googleplex]

PC only it is then.

It's amazing how badly Microsoft is fucking this up, honestly.

Why discount the PS4? I'm going PS4, PC next gen.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

what the fuck is this?

The truth distilled.

 

[DieH@rd]

"TRUTHFACT" should be put in the thread title

:lol yeah, this needs to become new gaf meme

 

[GulAtiCa]

Wow, even crazy buttocks on a train commented on this. Man Microsoft, what have you've done?

 

[trmas]

Didn't all the consoles have these issues last generation?

 

[diffusionx]

What is a worse situation:

Being severely supply constrained out of the gate and for a significant amount of time, bringing potential customers to stores with your marketing, who then may chose the in-stock competing product or delay the launch while you increase your production, so your launch hype and marketing blitz can coincide with actually having product in stores to sell yet giving your competition time to build up momentum while they are alone in the market?

Delaying, no question about it.

You need a product on the shelf. You can fix those other problems later. MS of all companies in the game industry know this.

 

[thuway]

Buddy, stop binge drinking before you post. I'm worried about your health.

With all due respect, don't EVER talk to CBOAT like that.

 

[maabus1999]

Isn't TSMC involved in this process? They're pretty notorious at under delivering on promises (at least if you were to ask Nvidia). If they're the ones doing the fabbing, and this is truly an exotic design, none of those guys should have been shocked. Any other result would have been shocking.

True. Hard to point out if AMD, when designing honestly the largest ESRAM ever, went too far, or TSMC is still having major 28 nm problems at some Fabs.