MS tried to use ESRAM to fix the low bandwidth of DDR3 to avoid the price of using GDDR5 & it only got them stuck in a technical shit storm that will only get worse as they try to get out of it.
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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MS tried to use ESRAM to fix the low bandwidth of DDR3 to avoid the price of using GDDR5 & it only got them stuck in a technical shit storm that will only get worse as they try to get out of it.
This too but it doesnt matter. Leadershit.
Relaxed Muscle
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Though that was confirmed, as in PS4 has an audio dedicated chip.
MS has certain goals which make the engineering difficult. Honestly, I don't blame the engineers, MS just set the priorities wrong.
I see rumors but never specifics
Crimson_Gold
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Cerny talked about it a few times if I recall correctly
Try google searching the particulars and see if his posts pop up anywhere in the first 100000 pages.
Its not much of an extra layer of protection for a leaker, but you're stupid not to do everything you can to CYA if you're going to leak details. Running a text search on a forum, twitter, etc. is the first thing any sane company does when they want to find the source of a leak. Nine times out of ten you'll probably be able to trace it back to a twitter account or facebook page with real user data in the mix.
I'm almost certain CBOAT posts like he posts because it makes direct quotes by publications less likely.
And it's fun of course.
Anyway, I'm honestly flabbergasted by the incompetence MS' is displaying in key areas. First the revelation that their development tools (a core competency of the company!) are actually behind Sony's and now it appears like they could be spending more money for significantly inferior hardware.
And it's fun of course.
Anyway, I'm honestly flabbergasted by the incompetence MS' is displaying in key areas. First the revelation that their development tools (a core competency of the company!) are actually behind Sony's and now it appears like they could be spending more money for significantly inferior hardware.
BlazingDarkness
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Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
It was confirmed by Mark Cerny himself in his post-reveal Gamasutra interview, Dedicated audio hardware for O/S and gaming use, dedicated zlib compression/decompression hardware and dedicated video encoding h/w.
Relaxed Muscle
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If Sony ends winning the generation, I think Cerny would have played a major role. His architecture design choice for the PS4 is totally paying off right now.
SniperHunter
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what do you mean?
Wishmaster92
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Distilled TRUTHFACT
Where has it been said that each part within the APU can have its own clock speed totally independent of the APU clock? I'm always interesting in new info.
Separate power saving frequencies could be simply a combination of a dynamic APU clock and multiplier changes, that would give you various CPU and GPU speeds independent of each other.
Miles Quaritch
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Man, the stars are not aligning for MS. I can't help but feel even a stellar line up at E3 won't help them at this point.
They can find it now thanks to this guy who trasnlated the thing can't they?
For me the most fascinating thing is how these consoles have to be designed so far out without knowledge of how tech and manufacturing will advance between the time you are designing and the time you must bring the console to market.
Looks like Sony and Cerny somehow got GDDR5 exactly right (with some good fortune).
This also shows what a huge risk it is to design a gaming console where the primary focus is not gaming. MS dug a huge hole for themselves by deciding right off the bat that they needed 8GB of RAM for all of the non gaming stuff they wanted to do and they have been living with the regret of that decision ever since as that decision had a cascading effect that led to the ESRAM being necessary, etc..., etc....
Really, really fascinating stuff.
fatigues_gasolini
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Wow never thought about that. Kinda genius on his part
This post makes no sense. If you're a fan of a company and their games, why would you feel the need to apologize about that?
Damn right. You should have said this
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He's just a poster with an awesome name who clearly has industry connections. He's almost always right.
Barack Lesnar
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I'm a bit bummed about X1 becoming the platform third-party devs have to use as a baseline. Yeah, PS4 versions might get 60 fps instead of 30 but I'd much rather have seen what devs could do around PS4 baseline to make incredible gfx + 30 fps.
Yield issues. We've got no further substantiation on exactly how they're going to fix what is apparently a MASSIVE problem.
Graphics Horse
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Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
CBoaT is no joke bro... he's as truthfact as we get on gaf.
Felix Lighter
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Yeah, you're right, you can also bank on Sony being supply constrained, not as severely but delaying this late and missing the holiday would also be a killer for publishers, who would also then be pushing for the PS4 hard in 2013.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Oh Microsoft. You are an entirely fucked from top to bottom organisation it seems these days. Ballmer really did a number on every aspect.
These are some pretty horrendous reports to be hearing 4-5 months from LAUNCH. Sony must be delirious with joy.
These are some pretty horrendous reports to be hearing 4-5 months from LAUNCH. Sony must be delirious with joy.
sweetvar26
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I do not understand this.
Xbox 360 was released in 2005. It is 2013 now, eight years later, how is Microsoft having so many issues with the launch of this console?
They had ample time, resources to begin with.
Xbox 360 was released in 2005. It is 2013 now, eight years later, how is Microsoft having so many issues with the launch of this console?
They had ample time, resources to begin with.
YouEnjoyMySelf
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Man, no wonder they said they "weren't going for graphics" after the reveal. The amount of damage control they will be doing will be unsurpassed.
MS got XBoned
Wonder if its specific enough for dopey. Perhaps he would need to inspect the hardware post launch.
Every console had issues before and well after launch. Let's say some consoles had smoother development though.
Third console curse
so many lulz in this post hahahaha
maabus1999
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GDDR5 still has some drawbacks (like their memory controllers). Just a design decision, and if this pans out to be true, is lucky for Sony at this time.
Again, the question is how bad the yields are and how that effects the total supply the first 6 months of release. That is up for the MSFT execs to figure out and us to dream about.
If they don't down clock, they most likely will get improved yields in a year or so, but supply will be shitty (possibly).
ViewtifulJC
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how many Wii-Us ducttaped together is the XBONE('d)
and hey, if multiplatforms gotta lower the IQ/graphics for XBONE, this speaks well for the Wii-U ports, right?
lol
Stone Ocean
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Game set and match.
TheGreyHulk
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this is terrible for next gen. even if the PS4 ends up with +800 gflops, multiplatform games will still have to be designed with the limitations of the xboner in mind which is infuriating for me. it could just be like the current PC situation where the core game is limited in design by the lowest common denominator and then they just add some nice coats of paint on top for the higher end versions....
luckily, the ps4 will have their own studios to make exclusives, but it's just something i was hoping was going to be done with when we moved to next gen systems.
damn you esram for hogging up all that die space! you SOB!
luckily, the ps4 will have their own studios to make exclusives, but it's just something i was hoping was going to be done with when we moved to next gen systems.
damn you esram for hogging up all that die space! you SOB!
Slayer-33
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Slightly too early r&d/target spec on the new box?
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