Well, it is a good job for me as a consumer. It's not just a good game, but a great one.
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Updated Resident Evil Franchise sales (RE7 at 200K of 2M fisc year goal 3 months in)
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Well, it is a good job for me as a consumer. It's not just a good game, but a great one.
Dr. Carroll
Banned
"My QTEs are better than your QTEs."
Resident evil 7 didnt sold his idea too well, lot of gamers didnt know shit about what was the game about, also a lot of games came out in the first two months, it was crazy, i wanted to play resident evil 7 but i left it behind cause of other games like horizon, nier, nioh and yakuza.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I will admit it would be interesting to see how RE8 with balls to the wall action would do compared to 6 (and 7). Action has a larger casual appeal but some of the fans really fucking hated 6 and probably wouldn't be bamboozled again.
Capcom's plan is making sequels to major franchises on a roughly 2.5 year basis, and they have a bunch of assets from RE7's development and a new engine in the RE Engine. They're not gonna drop the RE7 style now because RE7 missed its initial expectations by roughly 12% (now roughly 7%), when it already broke even days after launch.
They're gonna ride it out for at least RE8, and probably RE9.
They're gonna ride it out for at least RE8, and probably RE9.
Stilton Disco
Member
Shame about Resi 7, but as fun as it is, I'm glad switching to first person didn't pay off for them. The game would have been far better and felt more Resident Evil like if it'd stuck to a more traditional third person perspective instead.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Depends. If sales don't pick up and it tops out at 4.5 to 4.8 million (getting to 5 million seems like a heruclean effort at this point), they may go back to TPS at the very least.
We'll know better by next March. If it keeps stalling out and selling 100K to 200K per quarter, I see a change on the horizon. RE is their biggest franchise, they can't afford for it to contract by up to 50% between games.
Dr. Carroll
Banned
The greatest improvement RE6 made over its predecessors RE4 and RE5 was replacing dodging QTEs with actual gameplay. If this were RE4, or RE5, there would be a QTE when you opened this door, and you'd press a button to do a cool flip.
But in RE6, you dodge the enemy -- assuming you've mastered the game's controls despite them never being explained to you -- using core game mechanics available at all times. No more "press these two buttons to not die" nonsense. (Also worth noting they patched the game to neuter "press x to not die" cutscene QTEs, such as getting hit by trains.)
It goes without saying that RE6 has the least irritating QTEs out of the RE4/5/6 trilogy. RE4's can go die in a fire.
But in RE6, you dodge the enemy -- assuming you've mastered the game's controls despite them never being explained to you -- using core game mechanics available at all times. No more "press these two buttons to not die" nonsense. (Also worth noting they patched the game to neuter "press x to not die" cutscene QTEs, such as getting hit by trains.)
It goes without saying that RE6 has the least irritating QTEs out of the RE4/5/6 trilogy. RE4's can go die in a fire.
Å
Åesop
Unconfirmed Member
As far as I know PS4 VR is just a timed exclusive. Should run out after 1 year
Maxey
Member
I think, as a RE game, RE6 is an embarrassing entry in the franchise.
I tried to give it a real chance but it just overwhelmed me with stupidity, however that's not to say it doesn't have any real qualities. The core combat gameplay and co-op mechanics are pretty good, it was pretty much everything else that brought it down for me. The writing is trash, the level design is terrible, the QTEs are fucking garbage. I just wasn't having a good time playing that game.
REmake and RE4 are incredible games however, and I really hope they don't fuck up RE2make, because I've always heard RE2 is the best classic RE game, so the stakes are stacked pretty high there.
I was intrigued by RE7's demo but haven't been able to buy the full game yet but if the rest of the game is even better than that then I should get it when I can finally afford it.
Anyway, I hope Capcom are smart enough to realize that while RE6 sold gangbusters, they should still focus on making games that "true" RE fans can appreciate, like Revelations and REmakes.
That said, how about spinning off RE6 gameplay into either another RE spin-off or a new action IP. I think with enough refinements and a better game overall around it, they could have another hit in their hands.
I tried to give it a real chance but it just overwhelmed me with stupidity, however that's not to say it doesn't have any real qualities. The core combat gameplay and co-op mechanics are pretty good, it was pretty much everything else that brought it down for me. The writing is trash, the level design is terrible, the QTEs are fucking garbage. I just wasn't having a good time playing that game.
REmake and RE4 are incredible games however, and I really hope they don't fuck up RE2make, because I've always heard RE2 is the best classic RE game, so the stakes are stacked pretty high there.
I was intrigued by RE7's demo but haven't been able to buy the full game yet but if the rest of the game is even better than that then I should get it when I can finally afford it.
Anyway, I hope Capcom are smart enough to realize that while RE6 sold gangbusters, they should still focus on making games that "true" RE fans can appreciate, like Revelations and REmakes.
That said, how about spinning off RE6 gameplay into either another RE spin-off or a new action IP. I think with enough refinements and a better game overall around it, they could have another hit in their hands.
Spieler Eins
Member
I mean, I wouldn't care if the series' died before the only alternative left was more RE6.
It's not as if VR was available on PC day one the game would have sold 6M. VR is extremely niche and I doubt it had any significant impact on the sales for better or worse. this
I still find those numbers more than decent considering the game barely got sales (atleast here in Italy). I've never seen it go for less than half price, which is crazy with how the industry works right now.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
In the UK/Ireland I haven't seen it for under £30 pounds. Once it hits £20 it may find a new audience of people that were put off by the perspective etc. I do hope this is what happens as it actually felt the most like REmake to me. Exploring the estate in VR was fucking incredible.
SinCityAssassin
Member
Okay so here's the thing. it's a game available worldwide and Capcom's expectations would be for it to have more than that to be decent. If this is the starting line for their 2 million goal, it's only going to sell worse and worse if they just stand there staring at sales.
Neff
Member
Clarkus Darkus
Member
Resident Evil 7 in VR was the greatest gaming experience i have had for many years, Total horror experience.
I never purchased the crap that was Resi 5/6, And if they go back that route with 8 then i won't be purchasing that too.
Hopefully PCVR owners can pick up the pace when it drops for them in VR.
3.7 Million sales isn't too shabby for a new experience.
I never purchased the crap that was Resi 5/6, And if they go back that route with 8 then i won't be purchasing that too.
Hopefully PCVR owners can pick up the pace when it drops for them in VR.
3.7 Million sales isn't too shabby for a new experience.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
That's just crazy
The QTEs in RE6 are definitely the most obnoxious. The stick waggling QTEs in RE6 alone are more annoying than anything in the previous games.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
This post makes me even happier RE7 is flopping.
Bring back action RE so we don't have to suffer the snobbery of "true fans" telling us what to like again.
Obviously, the shift away from action towards horror was a factor, but I wonder if the marketing and demos had anything to do with RE7's failure? I know that a lot of people (myself included) were completely put off by the trailers and initial demo, which painted the game as a walking simulator or an Outlast clone. This is still a sentiment I see now from folks who haven't played RE7. I personally wasn't convinced until I played the full game. Up until that point, RE7 just genuinely didn't seem like what I wanted from the franchise. Also, I feel like the first-person perspective in and of itself was a deal breaker for many.
Regardless of why it failed, it's very disappointing to see RE7 doing poorly. I say that as someone who thinks action RE is the best RE (RE4 is the best damn game ever, y'all), and would love a return to that style. Seeing my favorite franchise fail in any capacity is disheartening. I hope RE8 turns things around.
Regardless of why it failed, it's very disappointing to see RE7 doing poorly. I say that as someone who thinks action RE is the best RE (RE4 is the best damn game ever, y'all), and would love a return to that style. Seeing my favorite franchise fail in any capacity is disheartening. I hope RE8 turns things around.
Whatever it is, it is a very different RE. Going 3rd person to 1st person is the thing that many like me disliked. Going back to horror instead of action was great. But changing the perspective and way you play it wasn't, imo of course.
Neff
Member
I didn't play RE7 in VR but I still think it's better than BotW. It's probably going to be my #1 pick this year unless Mario Odyssey dethrones it.
I know several folks who I'd consider long-term RE fans who have yet to play RE7 because they just can not get past the way RE7 was presented as 'me too' YouTuber jumpscare bait when it was revealed.
I've tried to explain to them that the game isn't really like the game Capcom tried to sell it as, to no avail.
But I don't blame them, I really didn't like the initial trailer or the demo either.
RE wasn't always 3rd person you know
As opposed to the action focused RE fans that tell everyone else that they are the real fans? You know, the ones that are equally as unbearable? The ones who are celebrating the fact that RE7 didn't meet its goals?
Yeah. Sure. Whatever, man.
Dr. Carroll
Banned
This attitude doesn't make sense considering how well RE6 sold at release, sold when it came to PC, sold when it came to PS4/XBO, and continues to sell. RE6 is best thought of as "The RE game people actually play." Whether you look at PSN "votes" or Steam player daily/weekly player counts, RE6 comes ahead of every other Resident Evil title by a huge margin. People want to play RE6. They don't want to play RE7. And they want to play RE4/REMAKE/etc even less. That's as simple as it gets. Now I really like RE7. I think its sales are pretty decent. But the narrative that somehow RE6 damaged RE7's sales lacks substance. If anything, RE7 damaged itself by not being anything like RE6, and struggling to hook people. RE6 had its all star cast, co-op, and flashy action moves. RE7 has... well, it's a really solid first person horror game. That was basically incomplete at release and they're finishing it via DLC.
The stick waggling QTEs are punishment for playing poorly. Also, literally every RE game back to RE1 dual shock feature stick waggling QTEs to break free from enemy grabs.
Absolutely, always look to your core demographic before wider audiences.
It wasn't, but it was the natural evolution. You always could see the character you were playing with.
Going third person in re4 was the way to go considering more capable hardware.
I skipped re6 because it went from horror to full action.
I skipped 7 because it went first person.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Final Fantasy 15 is the fastest-selling game in series history
Final Fantasy 15 Ships Over 6 Million Copies
Final Fantasy 15 Broke Even On Development Costs In First 24 Hours
Critics average for the past 3 mainline FF games.
FFXIII - 83
FFXIV - 81
FFXV - 81
So even if we go by critical reception, it managed to stay in line with what the past 3 games achieved for more than a decade.
Now lets talk about Resident Evil series.
And critical reception that people love to bring back like Resident Evil 7 received universal critical acclaim and no action Resident Evil game managed to hit that mark. WRONG!
Action Resident Evil games critical reception
Resident Evil 4 - 96
Resident Evil 5 - 83
Resident Evil 6 - 67
Resident Evil 7 is sitting at 86, which is nothing amazing nor the game changer like Resident Evil 4. Hilariously enough, it is just slightly better than what Resident Evil 5 achieved back during the launch of PS3/Xbox 360.
Now let me explain my post and what I meant by it. People just love to shit on Action Resident Evil in general when it was the highest point in the series in term of critical and commercial success. I love Resident Evil 6 but if I had to rank it among the 3 action RE games, it would be easily the lowest in the series. My ranking for the games is RE 4 > 5 > 6.
So when I was blaming Capcom for killing the potential of the series, I was talking about them going FPS, focusing on the horror, and basically wiping their hands of what made the series explode in sales. Capcom could have made a third person Resident Evil game with the best of both worlds but instead they decided to go for what? Resident Evil 7.
The game is incredible in its first half. It is easily 9/10 in the whole Baker's House. Then we go outside and then do some more stuff and it drops harder than Resident Evil 6. The combat is total shit which is what makes it so painful. The last third of the game is the worst in the series yet somehow people can give it a pass. The story is terrible with a plot twist and end boss that is one of the cheesiest in the series. The game also somehow survived criticism and outrage over its ridiculous DLC. The first DLC dropped within a week and it was so short compared to the asking price yet the reaction to that was rather mild. It was followed by another terrible set of DLC and you had to spend $25 to get these two DLC packs, half of which was basically cut content from the main game.
People love to shit on Resident Evil 6 but Resident Evil 7 also needs to be dealt with a strict hand. Lackluster last third, terrible combat and shitty DLC practices would have made it almost as bad as Resident Evil 6, which was a bloated mess that still had good gameplay to salvage it somewhat. Not to mention SHIT TON of content and endless replay value for either single player or multiplayer.
RE7 was definitely complete at launch, though, in terms of what we expected it would offer. It has a full campaign with a really interesting extra difficulty with some new twists and genuine challenge. The DLC released/announced so far are just extensions of that; they're not really filling in some sort of gap in a way that screamed "I expected and needed this as part of the launch product or the launch product was incomplete". Even the "Not A Hero" DLC isn't needed to "complete" that certain moment in the third act.
So while I like RE6 and acknowledge it's certainly more well-liked than people will ever accept given the initial disdain, I don't think RE7 being "incomplete at release" is accurate.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
A word on the DLC expansion would be nice and could help sales. I thinkRE7 will end up with an LTD of 6 million. Very impressive for what it is but obviously not reaching the heights of RE4,5,6.
I'm glad they made a great game though, unlike RE6, which caused so much disappointment and resentment in the dedicated fanbase.
Your opinion is meaningless though. FFXV had the best debut sales of the franchise, brought record profits for SE, single-handedly reinvigorated their investment into SP FF and is on track to become one of the best selling entries in the series alongside FFX, FFVII and FFVIII.
I'm glad they made a great game though, unlike RE6, which caused so much disappointment and resentment in the dedicated fanbase.
Your opinion is meaningless though. FFXV had the best debut sales of the franchise, brought record profits for SE, single-handedly reinvigorated their investment into SP FF and is on track to become one of the best selling entries in the series alongside FFX, FFVII and FFVIII.
Fenderman89
Neo Member
Street Fighter V could've been something, if only they'd put some efforts in it.
Monster Hunter could sell megatons if it will be spread between Ps4 and Switch with separated entries (and PC too).
Many other franchises have been abandoned or rushed by Capcom, with very negative results.
RE has already been forced to change a lot (for the worst) in previous entries: I don't think it deserves to be milked even more just because it sells, sacrificing quality and creativity. You can build a lot upon RE7 numbers, and as a gamer, I don't like to send a message that sounds like "I want a game that sells over a quality game".
We all know Capcom problems lay elsewhere: it's not RE's fault.
Spieler Eins
Member
Except that RE6 is far from the best selling of the remasters.
lol, where does this come from now? The DLC will be a bonus story. The game itself was not only complete, but more polished at release than many other big releases nowadays.
Dr. Carroll
Banned
The plot has gigantic holes. Not "plot holes", but rather massive "so what happened to... and... and... and... and..." holes. I didn't expect RE7's plot to have gigantic holes. That's where the DLC comes in.
Peroroncino
Member
I feel the same.
I'd like for them to go back to the horror-action style, but if they wanna continue with the pure horror, at least do it from the 3rd person perspective.
No it's not incomplete, that's like saying re4 was incomplete till separate ways came out.
RE6 rerelease for PS4/XB1 sold over 1 million copies.
Let's put an end to this narrative.
ElfArmy177
Member
sublimit
Banned
Huge RE fan here and still haven't bought RE7.
I used to love the series because it was a nice blend of 3rd person action/adventure and survival horror with very few jumpscares and a focus on atmosphere.
Due to Capcom trying to follow trends (rather than make them) RE6 was too much action and RE7 was too much redneck jumpscare horror (judging from what i played in the demos and from videos i've watched).I have no interest in either directions personally.
I used to love the series because it was a nice blend of 3rd person action/adventure and survival horror with very few jumpscares and a focus on atmosphere.
Due to Capcom trying to follow trends (rather than make them) RE6 was too much action and RE7 was too much redneck jumpscare horror (judging from what i played in the demos and from videos i've watched).I have no interest in either directions personally.
Agree so much
Neff
Member
Solid summary. No matter one's preference, it's plain as day that RE6 is an inherently more commercial product with a better value proposition.