Sword Of Doom
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I'm sure it will be back up when Scorpio drops if that ends up selling what it should.
We don't even know how much Scorpio will cost so it's hard to tell what will happen
I'm sure it will be back up when Scorpio drops if that ends up selling what it should.
Being the cheapest 4K Blu Ray player on the market when the S launches (at least here in Australia) should give the XB1 a nice boost in hardware sales.
Not gonna give the good ol Xbox doom and gloom talk. Though, if things get really really bad...I can see them possibly just ditching the hardware and going all in on PC software (maybe even releasing on steam) as well as publishing games/IP on other platforms and keeping the XBL platform as a gateway to developers/publisher for servers and such.
Crazy Thought? Maybe, but I doubt MS would wanna just give up all their assets/IP's if they can make profitable investments somewhere else if not on Xbox Hardware.
I don't think Xbox consoles are going anywhere though. As long as they keeping making hardware I'll support em assuming they don't do stupid shit.
/shrug.
You are literally the only person that said anything like this lol.Lolmao gaffers again with the doom and gloom. Microsoft is not exiting the console and games market.
Being the cheapest 4K Blu Ray player on the market when the S launches (at least here in Australia) should give the XB1 a nice boost in hardware sales.
Right now, you can only get the $399 XBOX One S. The immanent threat is that Sony announces Neo rather soon. Which might as well only cost $399, offers UHD AND adds more power. Furthermore, I think it's quite likely that Sony will also introduce a new entry-level PS4 SKU which also supports UHD playback, just to steal another USP from the cheaper XBOX One S SKUs.
Now, I have no doubt that XBOX One S will have a positive effect on XBOX One sales, but not long-term. I think what we'll see is a nice straw fire which will die out as soon as Sony - and Nintendo - present their new hardware.
And while I think Scorpio will do fine for a high-end SKU, it does not have the global mass market appeal to turn the tides in their favor.
They're doing what they need to. The move to unified Windows is smart as it gives the Xbox platform portability - currently that means 'play anywhere' for consumers, but it also gives MS the option to migrate away from dedicated boxes ifnscorpio doesn't gain traction. Or even towards an MSX model where others make the boxes but they're PCs branded Xbox with an Xbox front end
My worry is how relatively reactive MS has been over the last five years. Once this unified Windows approach is fully done, how long will they give it to bear fruit before changing tack again?
This doesn't make any sense and you haven't proved why what I said isn't true. You basically simply said "No".
"UWP only" + Xbox console is indeed better than just Xbox console since it means more users being able to play and give money to a game. There are (for example) people who don't own an Xbox One that are looking forward to playing Forza Horizon 3. Not sure how that "doesn't help".
The fact they announced not one but TWO new Xbox sku's last E3 kinda defeats your point methinks.There's nothing crazy in that thinking- last E3 was Microsoft slowly phasing out xbox as hardware and start of evolution into service.
I only wonder how they are going to solve Xbox live gold on "consoles" which will be more restrictive pcs ala steam machine vs normal pcs.
They are absolutely not going "all in." If they wanted to, MS could be putting a lot of sorely needed recources into Xbox. They still want it to work out, they are willing to keep trying for now. But there was a time when the entire operation had a fair bit more support.You are literally the only person that said anything like this lol.
MS has deep pockets. They have someone at the helm that cares deeply about gaming. Their in a massive slump sure, who knew they would get beat so bad this Gen, but their forward tone on Scorpio sounds to me like they are going to try and go all in and double down on this gaming thing.
Let's hope to God they don't decide to pull out. Competition breeds greatness and we don't want any of these companies getting too complacent. No matter your hardware if preference.
- NOT being implied to spy on your users.
- Two decades of NOT being a "FUCK YEAH! AMERICA!" Console
- NOT closing or consolifying PC Developers that released PC specific genres that were loved in germany (RTS, Simulations, RPG's)
- NOT having an exclusive lineup that is mostly banned in Germany (Gears of war, Dead Rising)
Point taken. I just mean their 'most powerful console' talk and the way they are marketing the thing feels like they are trying to win back some favor as a 'powerful' contender in the gaming space.They are absolutely not going "all in." If they wanted to, MS could be putting a lot of sorely needed recources into Xbox. They still want it to work out, they are willing to keep trying for now. But there was a time when the entire operation had a fair bit more support.
I'm sure it will be back up when Scorpio drops if that ends up selling what it should.
I don't think us gaffers get how little the rest of the world outside of the U.K. Care about brand Xbox. It's really a non entity outside of the USA and uk and both those markets have seen a strong Sony this gen. They don't seem to either card or learn either with thier offerings being steeped in USA uk styling.
Yes, that's a perception problem. Both companies gather data from their users and the negative media around the Kinect was unjustified.- NOT being implied to spy on your users.
-v please. Also, two decades? What?- Two decades of NOT being a "FUCK YEAH! AMERICA!" Console
So this is about the company and not the console?- NOT closing or consolifying PC Developers that released PC specific genres that were loved in germany (RTS, Simulations, RPG's)
There are more exclusives than Gears and Dead Rising...- NOT having an exclusive lineup that is mostly banned in Germany (Gears of war, Dead Rising)
I mean...something could always change, but...yeah.
That would help but imo would not 'win' them the market.
The playstation brand is too strong and as long as this consoles continue being 'twins' there is literally zero chance for the xbox brand to be as successful as the playstation brand. They literally have to capture lightning in a bottle a la Wii for it to happen.
OléGunner;210669840 said:Tough break. XB1's are cheaper than ever and hardware is still selling less.
Anyway, if I remember correctly last year had crazier deals and bigger games for the quarter but a 33% hardware revenue drop is kinda eye watering.
Yeah, I mean it seems the XB1 is on life support everywhere else around the world.. It's crazy to rely on two markets i.e. US and UK (yes I know they are the biggest revenue earners for video games) in our now globalised world for electronics.
Maybe Scorpio can reverse those fortunes but I think it'll need to be more than just a slogan of "most powerful console ever built".
The fact they announced not one but TWO new Xbox sku's last E3 kinda defeats your point methinks.
No, because their overall revenue SHOULD be up, because XBO has a larger install base than this time last year.They kept it 9% overall drop event with 33% hardware revenue drop. That's mean software/subscription almost able to cover the hardware loses.
That's inline with their goal to move Xbox into a service. So their plan is working?
They kept it 9% overall drop event with 33% hardware revenue drop. That's mean software/subscription almost able to cover the hardware loses.
That's inline with their goal to move Xbox into a service. So their plan is working?
I have no idea, I'm from the uk and ms caters for my tastes pretty well tbh, but it's pretty obvious they struggle outside of uk which is largely a mini USA in regards to consumer tastes. They've given up on Japan largely it seems and Asia, and struggle with mainland Europe, smarter people than me should be advising ms on those issue but maybe they simply don't care anymore?.How do you target the German market, for example? I mean, what games does Sony offer to especially target the German market that the xbone doesn't have? Or generally features that the console offers?
There's zero chance of them over taking Sony in one season man, it doesn't seem to have done anything when the Xbox one has been cheaper than the ps4 for sometime now, the Xbox has been sub £200 with games over the past few months.I will say this, Hoildays will be interesting for Xbox, at least in the UK. With the pinch of Brexit fully hitting by then, alot of people are going to be put off spending. If Microsoft eats the losses that come with the falling pound, as they have traditionally in Canada at least, and keep pushing out deals at mass market prices, with the Xbox S I see a recovery of the top spot from Sony, who are almost certain to price the Neo based on the current value of the pound.
No, because their overall revenue SHOULD be up, because XBO has a larger install base than this time last year.
I have no idea, I'm from the uk and ms caters for my tastes pretty well tbh, but it's pretty obvious they struggle outside of uk which is largely a mini USA in regards to consumer tastes. They've given up on Japan largely it seems and Asia, and struggle with mainland Europe, smarter people than me should be advising ms on those issue but maybe they simply don't care anymore?.
PRISM was in every media outlet while Xbox one was revealed. Unjustified?Yes, that's a perception problem. Both companies gather data from their users and the negative media around the Kinect was unjustified.
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Playstation is present in germany for two decades-v please. Also, two decades? What?
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What kind of question is that? What Microsoft closed all those PC Devs and not XBOX? What?So this is about the company and not the console?
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Yes, all those first person shootersThere are more exclusives than Gears and Dead Rising...
Yeah, at this point in a system's life revenue should be going up, not down.Oh, right, never thought of that.
"MS use price cut, it's not very effective" summarize 33% hardware revenue drop.
They kept it 9% overall drop event with 33% hardware revenue drop. That's mean software/subscription almost able to cover the hardware loses.
That's inline with their goal to move Xbox into a service. So their plan is working?
No, because their overall revenue SHOULD be up, because XBO has a larger install base than this time last year.
No, this is an unsustainable plan.
They're dropping the price of the Xbox to try and maintain some kind of growth for their services. There's going to be lapsed gamers the longer the generation goes on, the problem MS has is they have to keep cutting the price of hardware heavily to replace them as new gamers won't pay the current price.
The thing is they never really put any effort in those regions, outside of a handful of money hats at the start of last gen for Japan. Sony has been putting in work into pretty much every region in the world to try and grow them as stronger markets for games (localised marketing arms, localisation of third party games to traditional Chinese in Asia etc.). In comparison Microsoft hadn't lifted a finger. There's a very good reason why Playstation is such a big global brand and essentially synonymous with video games in most markets around the world. And there's a very good reason why Microsoft is not. You get out what you're willing to put in.I have no idea, I'm from the uk and ms caters for my tastes pretty well tbh, but it's pretty obvious they struggle outside of uk which is largely a mini USA in regards to consumer tastes. They've given up on Japan largely it seems and Asia, and struggle with mainland Europe, smarter people than me should be advising ms on those issue but maybe they simply don't care anymore?.
That's the exception rather than the rule, no? Before last generation there was generally always one console that was a runaway success and one or more that were also-rans whose sales dried up after a few years as they limped to 30 million LTD.Yeah, at this point in a system's life revenue should be going up, not down.
They are absolutely not going "all in." If they wanted to, MS could be putting a lot of sorely needed recources into Xbox. They still want it to work out, they are willing to keep trying for now. But there was a time when the entire operation had a fair bit more support.
I thought Microsoft's intention behind entering the console race was to prevent Sony from dominating the living room. Have they shifted that focus, or do they believe PCs will grow their presence in that area?
Putting all your exclusives on the PC isn't going to help your console either.
A 9% decline isn't a big deal, you're acting like if Microsoft was doomed...also these companies make most of their money from subscriptions and games royalties, and looks like they're doing great there, they often have just a little margin of income for every console sold, what really means to them is that Xbox Live is doing well, and that's why they want to push it on PC too and they don't mind selling less console
No, you don't understand. Revenue for the whole Xbox division is down 9%. Revenue from the sale of XBO systems is down 33%.A 9% decline isn't a big deal, you're acting like if Microsoft was doomed...also these companies make most of their money from subscriptions and games royalties, and looks like they're doing great there, they often have just a little margin of income for every console sold, what really means to them is that Xbox Live is doing well, and that's why they want to push it on PC too and they don't mind selling less console
A 9% decline isn't a big deal, you're acting like if Microsoft was doomed...also these companies make most of their money from subscriptions and games royalties, and looks like they're doing great there, they often have just a little margin of income for every console sold, what really means to them is that Xbox Live is doing well, and that's why they want to push it on PC too and they don't mind selling less console
Does that matter? It's not like that stops him from hearing things.Are you a developer or an exec at Microsoft?
Right on time for your scheduled spin.A 9% decline isn't a big deal, you're acting like if Microsoft was doomed...also these companies make most of their money from subscriptions and games royalties, and looks like they're doing great there, they often have just a little margin of income for every console sold, what really means to them is that Xbox Live is doing well, and that's why they want to push it on PC too and they don't mind selling less console
Why people continue with this argument?
More consoles, more software, it's simple.
I guess they don't ming releasing Halo on PS4 then, right?
I thought Microsoft's intention behind entering the console race was to prevent Sony from dominating the living room. Have they shifted that focus, or do they believe PCs will grow their presence in that area?
Windows 10 install base is way bigger than all current console combine, which means more software sales, at least that's their plan.
Windows 10 install base is way bigger than all current console combine, which means more software sales, at least that's their plan.