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What do you think of the people who use the pejorative "SJW?"
- Thread starter Jangowuzhere
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I'm assuming by "things" he/she means "things commonly accepted by society as goals worthy of attainment." That is the obvious read, anyway.
I've done it once but it was mainly about a certain lady who had an event happen at Vidcon, I disagreed with it happening.
Other than that I don't really care, everyone should be equal and we should help those around us become equal... But as I say not at the expense of other things being looked down upon.
I live in the UK so a lot of what you see on the internet, that "SJW's" argue against doesn't necessarily exist here so I suppose I find it harder to click with it.
I would rather have different types of media available than not have them available because it upsets somebody.
Of course I don't mean stuff like this, and this video is a great satire and expression that society is still out to get this minority and there are people that treat you like this...
... Because it's racist, however I think it can also be used as a decent way of educating people and removing it completely from history would go against that.
So you're the type of person that thinks that people even discussing whether or not media has representation/portrayal problems is the equivalent of taking media away?
starchild excalibur
Member
I know two people who are strongly liberal that have used the term to refer to the over-the-top cliché caricature of the type of person associated with "SJW" in the same way that maybe 20 years ago someone would refer to something as "hippie."
They may have abhorrent views, but I haven't seen them manifested. I know they're both strongly anti-Trump and I haven't heard them minimize issues of sexism or racism. I can't remember the specific context in which they used the term, but it wasn't used as a diss to someone who was trying to bring social reform or anything.
So ¯\_(ツ
_/¯
They may have abhorrent views, but I haven't seen them manifested. I know they're both strongly anti-Trump and I haven't heard them minimize issues of sexism or racism. I can't remember the specific context in which they used the term, but it wasn't used as a diss to someone who was trying to bring social reform or anything.
So ¯\_(ツ
_/¯I re-edited my above post if it helps.
"even discussing" goes against what I said in the last post I made in that I believe everyone should have an opinion.
And media does indeed have representation problems but that media should not be taken away, it should be used as a form of showing how not to do it.
I've written essays on black representation within music, which I suppose is rich coming from a white British guy but It's an important time within music and modern music wouldn't exist without the horrible things that they went/go through, and as crap as it was it's an interesting period to discuss because of that.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
....What "other things"?
There are many layers of terrible to unpack, but one of my least favorite tactics of theirs is to act like feminists are angrier than they actually are in certain situations.
This is not a thing that happened. Anita was fairly calm while calling Sargon a garbage person. And I called it. Right when I heard that Anita had called him garbage, I knew that some disingenuous prick was going to paint her as being a rageaholic SJW when she's not at all. And she knows it and makes fun of it:
If you actually go back and look at the message that triggered (hur hur) the Tracer butt pose fiasco, it was a very friendly message from a concerned parent. Blizzard's response was likewise cordial. Oh, excuse me, what actually happened is that a terrorist SJW threatened the multi-billion company until the pose was changed.
Anti-SJWs love talking about hysterical SJWs while also listening to men who get in front of a camera and "rage" about things:
Somehow it's the SJWs who are against the games industry and not those who sign a petition telling Nintendo how garbage their latest Metroid is and that it should be cancelled. https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-petition-for-cancelation-of-metroid-prime-federation-force
I legitimately think that the worst of the Pepe 4channers are genuine sociopaths.
This is not a thing that happened. Anita was fairly calm while calling Sargon a garbage person. And I called it. Right when I heard that Anita had called him garbage, I knew that some disingenuous prick was going to paint her as being a rageaholic SJW when she's not at all. And she knows it and makes fun of it:
If you actually go back and look at the message that triggered (hur hur) the Tracer butt pose fiasco, it was a very friendly message from a concerned parent. Blizzard's response was likewise cordial. Oh, excuse me, what actually happened is that a terrorist SJW threatened the multi-billion company until the pose was changed.
Anti-SJWs love talking about hysterical SJWs while also listening to men who get in front of a camera and "rage" about things:
Somehow it's the SJWs who are against the games industry and not those who sign a petition telling Nintendo how garbage their latest Metroid is and that it should be cancelled. https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-petition-for-cancelation-of-metroid-prime-federation-force
I legitimately think that the worst of the Pepe 4channers are genuine sociopaths.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Too much equality.
soundscream
Member
Likely to have uttered "I'm not a racist but....."
radios shipping overview
Member
I don't have any time for them whatsoever.
HazySaiyan
Banned
The term doesn't mean anything anymore, anybody with even slightly liberal or left-leaning viewpoint is labelled 'SJW' these days. If I see somebody unironically using it I'm probably just gonna think they're an idiot, and probably dog-whistling to boot.
This is a kind of "who are you talking to" stance. Rarely is taking away media that has already been made discussed or even thought of. If a company decides that they will change how they make their media in the future because of feedback, that's just how it is. If they don't, they don't and they'll continue to receive feedback. If they want to change media they've created based on feedback, that is also a choice.
There's nothing complicated here and I fail to see how this relates to the term "SJW".
I am annoyed because SJW used to be a useful phase. It was used in social justice circles to describe the kind of person who only shows up to throw down with someone whose social justice is proven to have once been imperfect. Someone who don't do any of the work, but lives for the receipts on 10 year old usenet posts. Someone who doesn't seem to care about anything other than having excuses to dox people.
But now it just means that you aren't a Nazi, which makes it way less useful.
But now it just means that you aren't a Nazi, which makes it way less useful.
If I hear it from someone, 3 possibilities come to mind:
1. Still in school with a developing brain who has mentally replaced previous popular slang terms such as "faggot" with "cuck" and "sjw".
2. Older longtime Republican who wants to feel "cool" and "hip" with the kids.
3. They just started paying attention to politics in 2015/16 and spend lots of time on YouTube.
1. Still in school with a developing brain who has mentally replaced previous popular slang terms such as "faggot" with "cuck" and "sjw".
2. Older longtime Republican who wants to feel "cool" and "hip" with the kids.
3. They just started paying attention to politics in 2015/16 and spend lots of time on YouTube.
It depends on the context where SJW is being used.
But sure, generally "SJW" is used to disregard the opinion of someone. In that regard, SJW is not all that different from terms like "Man-splaining" or "White-splaining" etc.
People enjoy putting others in boxes so that it's easy to dismiss their opinion.
But sure, generally "SJW" is used to disregard the opinion of someone. In that regard, SJW is not all that different from terms like "Man-splaining" or "White-splaining" etc.
People enjoy putting others in boxes so that it's easy to dismiss their opinion.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
How is that the obvious read though
And it appears to not be what he meant, anyway. Speaking of which
I'm unsure why you immediately went to censorship here. Is it because you're a content creator yourself?
Why would bigots/sexists/homophobes/generally insecure young men calling people "SJWs" lead to you being worried about people banning/removing questionable media from view?
Both sides!
we got both sides here!
Palette Swap
Member
The thing is, you could apply this platitude to the use of any slur.
Then that's good, we've proven I'm not anti-SJW which I never once said I was.
And I can agree it is a "who are you talking to" and you could argue that because I specialise in a certain area my opinion on it is pretty biased, and I have spent a lot of time discussing how different forms of media impact and shape cultures and there is enough proof it does.
I think taking away certain forms of media can help raise how people are viewed all-around such as removing the Sambo cartoons and books and other racist media was beneficial alongside blues and jazz in giving black people more of a voice within America.
But I also think they should never be deleted, in fact they should be seen as racist and ignorant as it's beneficial for future generations to see the mistakes of the past.
The whole point of the post was to allow people to form their own opinion, to see if then how I display my opinion could be seen as "anti-SJW" since it could be taken as fairly on the edge and I was interested in learning what others thought.
Snowybreak
Member
Are you really all that surprised? It's fucking LosDaddie.
PassiveObserver
Member
There's being judgmental, and then there's having good judgement.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No, but you opened by questioning whether or not you were.
But again - nobody's really talking about "taking away certain forms of media" really. I think that's where the confusion is coming in. Thread's about the reaction to people using the term "SJW" as an unironic insult, and you're sorta low-key suggesting that people who do use it as such should be protected.
Like, nobody's advocating that garbage people be silenced here, or that racist cultural artifacts be hidden away like the Ark of the Covenant, either. So your entire stance seems to be coming from a completely different place that isn't really germane to the discussion.
You wanna talk about the historical preservation of ugly cultural remnants as a learning tool.
Everyone else is talking about how broflake shitheads projecting like a drive-in theater on anything that wheels into view are only exposing their shitty insecurities when they use that term as an earnest insult.
My friend told me that some dude at her job called her a SJW when she told him she used to do social work and actual community organizing. She didn't know what it meant at the time and genuinely thought it was a good thing. Come to find out later that the dude holds some serious misogynistic beliefs. Suffice to say people who use this term in whether online or in real life unironically are instantly dismissed
Costanza-san
Banned
It's a great way to let me know that I should stop taking you seriously. It's why I stopped watching h3h3.
C'mon ! She LITERALLY did social work ! She is like social justice general !
How can someone say SJW badly for someone like that ?
Snowybreak
Member
Oh I don't give a fuck about you bro, you're just another Trump supporter here to spread as much disinformation as possible and shut down conversations critical of said shitbag by spreading false doubt. You also tend to have this anti-liberal slant with pretty much any post of yours in OT. You also have the tendency to post just enough that you can partially share your opinion, but not open yourself up to dogpiling without it making you look like the victim.
It's fucking tired.
Muppet of a Man
Member
At the end of the day, people using the term pejoratively are saying more about themselves, as in: "I am a selfish cunt who lacks empathy for other human beings."
One suggestion for younger users here: try not to get so invested in what other people think about you, especially these types of people. They are usually pieces of shit who aren't worth your time. But if one of these shitbags does go after you, please stand the fuck up for yourself. That's one thing that pains me about many liberals these days: their inability or unwillingness to stand up for themselves, talk shit, or go on the counter attack after being attacked.
You can't let yourself get walked on in a brawl. You need to come out swinging.
One suggestion for younger users here: try not to get so invested in what other people think about you, especially these types of people. They are usually pieces of shit who aren't worth your time. But if one of these shitbags does go after you, please stand the fuck up for yourself. That's one thing that pains me about many liberals these days: their inability or unwillingness to stand up for themselves, talk shit, or go on the counter attack after being attacked.
You can't let yourself get walked on in a brawl. You need to come out swinging.
PhantomThief
Banned
They are dumbasses and Id like to shove my boot up their ass
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
lol, not too surprised.
I mean, I get what you're attempting to do. I just think it's a lost cause.
But if you wanna take that road, I can only wish you luck.
I know that's apart of the reason why she thought he meant well when he said that but clearly was not the case. Did is a fucking nutcase beyond that
What did he mean by this?
Member
Instead of zoning out you should unsubscribe
I dont have the capacity to tolerate those types of people and thankfully theres no chances people in my close friends/family group are theose types of people
Fair enough.
I attempted to guise what I wanted to describe in a way I believed was relevant but obviously I failed in doing so.
Regardless of that I felt a decent discussion was had despite it being off topic! I'd rather not bring up what I actually mean't as it causes shit storms.
I've never heard of the term broflake before, it's a good'un.
I would like to think that it describes like Sarna Joshi or that lady who went off on the Uber driver about cultural appropriation or some shit.
Since being co-opted by alt-righters and their ilk online, doesn't really mean much now. Anybody who disagrees with them is a SJW now.
Since being co-opted by alt-righters and their ilk online, doesn't really mean much now. Anybody who disagrees with them is a SJW now.
PhantomThief
Banned
I think he just did?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Because they lack self awareness and are idiots.
Snowybreak
Member
Oh I just showed factual observations. To provide my true feelings would be to show respect. Of which I have none of for him.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Probably alt-right racist and/or bigot pieces of shit.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
But MRAs are legitimate shitbags
Klappdrachen
Member
It is an indicator that quickly identifies arseholes who don't deserve attention. It was really embarrassing to see people use that term in the Anita Sarkeesian thread a few days ago. Yuck.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, he's used it as an unironic insult for years now. It's no surprise he'd "both sides" the usage. Done it before, too.
Why self-reflect when you can instead (lamely) fight to draw a false equivalence