So this ratio must be without nintendoland then. Which would put the number of retail games per console somewhere around 2.
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Wii U launch attach ratio=1.2, Wii launch attach ratio=2
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soulassssns
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Awful opinion is awful
shinra-bansho
Member
The Wii number is without Sports afaik.
It's a poor lineup if you own a 360 or PS3. It's a pretty good lineup if you never owned neither.
Christberg
Member
It also definitely doesn't include digital sales. I'd be thoroughly unsurprised if the attach rate was actually above 2.
superchunk
Member
2007 When I bought my Wii, I bought WiiPlay, ZeldaTP, and Excite Truck (plus a nunchuk)
2010 When I bought my PS3, I bought AC.
2012 When I bought my WiiU, I bought COD, ZombiU, and NSMBU (plus a pro controller)
I think it has to do a lot with costs. I bought my Wii and only that and the console was $100 less which in itself is about two games. I bought the PS3 along with a TV. I bought my Wii by itself, but purposefully had more free cash to spend at the same time. (sold PS3 and Wii lol)
I think this ratio is wrong. I believe another firm recently said it was over two games. I'll wait for Nintendo's quarterly report in January. Also... damn at 360's.. is that right?
EDIT: As others also said... digital sales likely not included and I know A LOT of people who bought digitally only or mostly.
2010 When I bought my PS3, I bought AC.
2012 When I bought my WiiU, I bought COD, ZombiU, and NSMBU (plus a pro controller)
I think it has to do a lot with costs. I bought my Wii and only that and the console was $100 less which in itself is about two games. I bought the PS3 along with a TV. I bought my Wii by itself, but purposefully had more free cash to spend at the same time. (sold PS3 and Wii lol)
I think this ratio is wrong. I believe another firm recently said it was over two games. I'll wait for Nintendo's quarterly report in January. Also... damn at 360's.. is that right?
EDIT: As others also said... digital sales likely not included and I know A LOT of people who bought digitally only or mostly.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
My launch period buys:
Wii (6 weeks)
-Wii Sports (bundled)
-The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
-Excite Truck
-Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
-Metal Slug Anthology
-Super Mario Bros. (VC)
-The Legend of Zelda (VC)
-Solomon's Key (VC)
-F-Zero (VC)
-Super Castlevania IV (VC)
-Sim City (VC)
-Super Mario 64 (VC)
-Sonic the Hegdehog (VC)
-Gunstar Heroes (VC)
-Ristar (VC)
-Bonk's Adventure (VC)
-Military Madness (VC)
-Alien Crush (VC)
-R-Type (VC)
Xbox 360 (6 weeks)
-Condemned: Criminal Origins
-Ridge Racer 6
-Dead or Alive 4
-Hexic HD (XBLA, bundled)
-Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved (XBLA)
Wii U (1 week)
-Nintendo Land (bundled)
-New Super Mario Bros. U (eShop)
-Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (eShop)
-Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed (eShop)
-Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition (eShop)
-Trine 2: Director's Cut (eShop)
-Nano Assault Neo (eShop)
I went sort of VC crazy at Wii launch. And it didn't stop there. :/
Wii (6 weeks)
-Wii Sports (bundled)
-The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
-Excite Truck
-Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
-Metal Slug Anthology
-Super Mario Bros. (VC)
-The Legend of Zelda (VC)
-Solomon's Key (VC)
-F-Zero (VC)
-Super Castlevania IV (VC)
-Sim City (VC)
-Super Mario 64 (VC)
-Sonic the Hegdehog (VC)
-Gunstar Heroes (VC)
-Ristar (VC)
-Bonk's Adventure (VC)
-Military Madness (VC)
-Alien Crush (VC)
-R-Type (VC)
Xbox 360 (6 weeks)
-Condemned: Criminal Origins
-Ridge Racer 6
-Dead or Alive 4
-Hexic HD (XBLA, bundled)
-Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved (XBLA)
Wii U (1 week)
-Nintendo Land (bundled)
-New Super Mario Bros. U (eShop)
-Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (eShop)
-Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed (eShop)
-Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition (eShop)
-Trine 2: Director's Cut (eShop)
-Nano Assault Neo (eShop)
I went sort of VC crazy at Wii launch. And it didn't stop there. :/
metalslimer
Member
I think it had a pretty damn good day 1 lineup. The problem it kind of goes nowhere after that. Nintendo blew everything at once and nothing is really coming for another 2 months.
Christberg
Member
Dunno about you, but by the time I finish with all the launch stuff I got it'll be March or April. I have 7 games to go through now, probably get a couple-3 more before the end of the year.
I have a question. Are all these comparisons using a same time frame. When they say system launch, how many days are they counting?
The articles says that the original wii tie ratio was was for its first month
does that mean just in November or for a full month after release? Because obviously WiiU hasnt been on shelves for a month yet. And how long is the period for 360 and PS3?
I would like to believe that these comparisons are using a comparable time frame, but just double checking.
The articles says that the original wii tie ratio was was for its first month
does that mean just in November or for a full month after release? Because obviously WiiU hasnt been on shelves for a month yet. And how long is the period for 360 and PS3?
I would like to believe that these comparisons are using a comparable time frame, but just double checking.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
All my Wii U titles are digital, I even gave my sister NintendoLand as a gift and bought the digital version. The DVD plastic cases nightmare is finally over XD
Wii was bundled with a game and Twilight Princess launched with it. BAM, two games.
Wii U has limited appealing games, arguably the two best exclusive games have limited appeal (ZombiU) and have been done to death with a 3DS version just having released a few months earlier (Mario U).
Wii U has limited appealing games, arguably the two best exclusive games have limited appeal (ZombiU) and have been done to death with a 3DS version just having released a few months earlier (Mario U).
I didn't say don't count them. Publishers sold many games and made tones of money if they used the wii right
shinra-bansho
Member
Of the 29 launch titles, how many were third-party?
Alcibiades
Member
Looking at the balance sheets, they used the Wii wrong (except Nintendo and Activision).
:/
metalslimer
Member
Nintendoland
Ninja Gaiden
NSMBU
Sing Party
Just Dance with AC has propped Ubisoft up the last few years
Both Wii and Wii U tie ratio don't include software bundled with consoles.
Anyone trying to defend Wii U by saying "Every Wii was bundled with Wii Sports! Obviously it was higher" is only making it look worse.
Because nintendo counts them in the software sales
I think my larger point was Twilight Princess > Mario U, was not aware of bundle software being excluded. That really doesn't make sense for the Wii U seeing as console owners have a choice, and Wii Sports wasn't included with Wii's outside of NA if I recall correctly.
Wii U is missing unique and desirable software. Wii had a better launch line up and better gimmick for Joe Public to buy into. Not defending shit, trying to analyze why the discrepancy exists.
For the most part, impressions from the ports don't inspire much confidence. I never owned PS360, and would totally jump on the likes of Batman right now, but to hear it's suffering from poor framerate and other issues (which aren't guaranteed to ever be patched) is discouraging
Alcibiades
Member
Yeah true, I missed Ubisoft they are doing phenomenal with the Just Dance series on Wii. Also left out that the all the Lego games do alright for whoever publishes them. But on the whole, third parties didn't do well on Wii. The mini-game and budget license flood saturated the market and made it so only major titles with lots of marketing could break through the noise. They have no ones to blame but themselves.
Holy Order Sol
Member
It has Mario either way.
shinra-bansho
Member
Hmm, so first and third party retail total units are pretty even.
But there are far more third parties sharing the latter pie.
Don't know if there is a more recent article, but in March 2011 Wii wasn't too behind the other systems:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...les_Keeping_Up_With_Hardware.php#.UMJ6SoAs-wg
The idea that Wii software didn't sell because of the casual audience was overblown by some gaming websites but never really held true. The narrow lens of gaming media and forums would lead one to believe that people put their Wiis in the closet after Wii Sports or Wii Fit, but the data doesn't back that up at all.
EDIT:
The December 2011 U.S. Tie Ratio from Gamasutra artcile -
Maybe I'm really misunderstanding LTD tie ratio but when I see these numbers I have to ask why are there so many damn games made over the years. Even if people have different taste and don't buy the same thing there is a lot of stuff that does not get bought and there is a lot of money wasted on products that simply don't sell.
How? NSMBU and ZombiU are great, but everything else is underwhelming if you own a PS360.
More people should buy ZombiU
Fox Mulder
Member
There's not shit out. I bought NSMBU just cause, but it's entirely understandable if people got their fill of that on the wii or 3ds. ZombiU is another good one, but I haven't picked it up yet. Everything else either didn't interest me or I had it on the 360 already.
Alex
Member
Holy Order Marion 182659 said:
Well, rather than Mario, It has NSMB, which people are understandably sick to absolute death of. I just wish NSMB2 had never been made and more effort was put into the overall package of U, because there's a lot of great design past the initial worlds, its just stuck in this thick wrapper of recycle and nonsense that undermines it.
Props to Nintendo for making a game with a proper difficulty curve again though, heck it curves too hard if anything, I'm impressed, now apply this to Zelda.
evilromero
Member
I like my Wii U but damn, the Wii launch had two of my favorite games- Twilight Princess and EXCITE! I think I sunk more hours into those two games than almost anything else that first year.
excite truck was amazing and excite bots was even better, minus the lack of SD music support
was so sad to find out excitebots bombed as hard as it did.
You're missing out. Batman is a blast and after 12 hours I haven't run into or noticed any problems. Rent the games if you can before you let bad impressions make you miss out.
More demos on the eshop will help a lot of these games sell more. Miiverse is selling me on a few games I didn't plan on buying.
Yes they did, it was called the GameCube.
But no-one had a Gamecube...
KungFucius
King Snowflake
I am not sure how large of an effect this is but the Wii was in high demand, every console was bought and many were resold on ebay. Now there are many thousands of bought systems sitting for sale on ebay and many unslod completed auctions. There are 3k for sale, 18k+ completetd and only 7/50 on the first page were resold. Who knows how many more there are out there. It may have lowered the attach rate a few percent.
I only bought Mario, and will likely not buy another game until Zelda or Metroid launches unless my wife wants something.
I only bought Mario, and will likely not buy another game until Zelda or Metroid launches unless my wife wants something.
12 hours and not an issue? That does sound more enticing...Yeah, here in Mexico I haven't really checked if they're renting Wii U games already, will probably give it a go via rental at least. Demos would do wonders for many games too, I bet!
If his Wii U goes boom he can just transfer his account like I did.
tehrik-e-insaaf
Member
1.2 is fine especially with the higher cost of the hardware, and assuming that people bought a Pro Controller to go with it
also... I predict Nintendo is going to stack next year (and especially end of next year) with ridiculous amounts of software to make sure the Wii U is compelling vis a vis the 720/ps4...
at 299 w/ Nintendoland next November and 50+ games (including 3-4 AAA games), dual tablet functionality, upgraded software/OS, apps, Wii U TV, etc - it should do really well
next year will be like 2001 all over again IMHO (PS2 software, Gamecube launch, Xbox launch)
also... I predict Nintendo is going to stack next year (and especially end of next year) with ridiculous amounts of software to make sure the Wii U is compelling vis a vis the 720/ps4...
at 299 w/ Nintendoland next November and 50+ games (including 3-4 AAA games), dual tablet functionality, upgraded software/OS, apps, Wii U TV, etc - it should do really well
next year will be like 2001 all over again IMHO (PS2 software, Gamecube launch, Xbox launch)
Little Green Yoda
Member
When was the last time Nintendo had a killer first party lineup for a holiday season? Usually it's one or two big names at the most. As for killer third party support, I wouldn't hold my breath...
Just got deluxe and NSMBU, so I'm "part of the problem". Will get Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, probably Rayman Legends (depending on how I like the demo), maybe Bayonetta 2 if I like Bayonetta (I own it but haven't gotten around to playing it yet), maybe, maybe Game & Wario, etc.
For the launch window, FPS aside from Borderlands just don't interest me, and I'm too sick of sports games right now to get one full price. Also, I don't like horror, so Zombi U is out. Didn't like Mass Effect 1, never cared about Assassin's Creed (though my brother does, but he has a 360 now. May get AC3 for WU though). Still need to play Batman Arkham Asylum, so Arkham City has to wait for that.
Forgot Scribblenauts. I'm being selfish and waiting for $30 or cheaper on that one. $40 had me close to buying, but it's too much money at one time. Will prolly get a DD game or two, but those don't count.
For the launch window, FPS aside from Borderlands just don't interest me, and I'm too sick of sports games right now to get one full price. Also, I don't like horror, so Zombi U is out. Didn't like Mass Effect 1, never cared about Assassin's Creed (though my brother does, but he has a 360 now. May get AC3 for WU though). Still need to play Batman Arkham Asylum, so Arkham City has to wait for that.
Forgot Scribblenauts. I'm being selfish and waiting for $30 or cheaper on that one. $40 had me close to buying, but it's too much money at one time. Will prolly get a DD game or two, but those don't count.
Pretty sure bundled NLand isn't counted, since ~75% of consoles sold were deluxe. That plus NSMBU alone would put it above 1.2, I think (someone did the math earlier).
Still, could definitely be better.
AdventureRacing
Member
Might have made more sense if you said zelda + red steel. Didn't excite truck crater sales wise?