Activity Log + Achievements would be so freaking good.
Only thing other then lazy that I can think of is parents might not like it. Seeing their kid get hooked on game achievements.
Kids get hooked on Pokemon. Doesn't stop Nintendo from making those.
Only thing other then lazy that I can think of is parents might not like it. Seeing their kid get hooked on game achievements.
Are you sure about that?
Smash Bros Brawl
Just Do It:
A20: Clear the "Flower Blooms in the Echoes" Event. - Hanenbow Stage
A21: Clear "The Hammer of the King" Event. - King Dedede's Theme Music
A11: Clear the "Wario Bros." Event. - Mario Bros. Stage
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Are you saying that unlockables in Smash == Achievements?
Because you know the only difference between SSBB and SSBM is that the unlockable list is actually visible.
There's a current platform that has both an Activity Log (in a rudimentary form, less robust than on 3DS/Wii) and Achievements.
Only thing other then lazy that I can think of is parents might not like it. Seeing their kid get hooked on game achievements.
You do know that the "trophy wall" is pretty much achievements, right? It's much more distinct than the typical Smash unlocking.
Aw man, now I won't get an annoying pop-up when I beat World 1 in NSMBU. And World 2. And World 3.
I think what people call achievements are mainly meaningless stuffs where the only reward is the popup and 'good job' stuff that appear on the screen.
The rest is clearly unlockables, we had that for decades so I'm not changing the word I've been using all that time just to please some people on the web.
Aw man, now I won't get an annoying pop-up when I beat World 1 in NSMBU. And World 2. And World 3.
The only problem with Steam is that no one cares about the achievements at all. They don't build up to an overall score or rating, so a lot of it seems pointless, which turns a lot of people off.
I don't mind that since I greatly prefer Activity Logs over achievements, but I never go out of my way to get an achievement in a Steam game even if I love the game to death.
ok... enough...
this is what's gonna happen and you know it's true.
1. WiiU is released
2. Nintendo implements Acomplishments in their games. (no gamerscore or similar)
3. Can't be turned off (like the 3ds)
4. Shares on MiiVerse, shares on MiiVerse everywhere
5. Third parties follow the same system
6. People who only had a Wii this gen will love this and will get hooked
7. People who only had a Wii this gen will post how awesome this system is
8. People who only had a Wii this gen will defend acomplishments to death, and will be convinced that they are a thousand better than PS360 stuff because of miiverse
9. Someone makes a thread about it
10. NeoGaf explodes.
search your heart, you know it's true.
And yet they pretty much act like one (e.g. clear all star without using health). Hell, even way back in Star Ocean 3 battle trophies are your de-facto achievements and they unlock stuff.
Just because the mainstream approach utilizes it poorly doesn't mean it's not applicable to those doing it properly.
I don't anyone here is complaining about the fact that games have unlockables or achievements but more about the fact that the data of the achievements are used for the meta game system wide.
I mean sure SO3 have unlockables working like trophies (btw most KH games post KH2 have them too...on all systems that have NO achievement tracking to boot) but the system it's on doesn't have the system wide system which is pretty much what people are hating here.
Heck you can share the trophies you earned on FB for all to see and I can tell you that as far as I'm concerned no one is using that (which would be a good indicator that it's not that big a deal it's not system wide if they're not shared on the biggest social network out there, feel free to prove me wrong with hard data here)
I don't anyone here is complaining about the fact that games have unlockables or achievements but more about the fact that the data of the achievements are used for the meta game system wide.
I mean sure SO3 have unlockables working like trophies (btw most KH games post KH2 have them too...on all systems that have NO achievement tracking to boot) but the system it's on doesn't have the system wide system which is pretty much what people are hating here.
Heck you can share the trophies you earned on FB for all to see and I can tell you that as far as I'm concerned no one is using that (which would be a good indicator that it's not that big a deal it's not system wide if they're not shared on the biggest social network out there, feel free to prove me wrong with hard data here)
Makes you wonder if they play games in Steam. You don't have a gamescore there, and it only functions to inform you that x player got y achievement... but only if you search through your friends' recent ventures. But I guess the word "achievement" made them think Steam functions like 360.
That's basically how I view people who do that yes, so I'm not sure that's actually a good thing for achievement or gaming in general...only one of my friends do that... and it's really easy to block those notifications on FB.
also, he's a douche.
Oh I understand that, I'm talking more about how apparently the Wii U doesn't have achievements.
Makes you wonder if they play games in Steam. You don't have a gamescore there, and it only functions to inform you that x player got y achievement... but only if you search through your friends' recent ventures. But I guess the word "achievement" made them think Steam functions like 360.
But the critical part is that all your friends achievements are automatically uploaded, and you can look through their game collection and directly compare their progress to your own. Unless I'm missing something, such functionality is assumed not to exist in Nintendo's implementation.
I still think there is a small probability of them actually existing, but being in the OS update this week.
BELIEVE
You can point and laugh if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that's what Miiverse is for.
Well then I hope you're looking forward to developers who decide to do their own implementation of achievements where the pops ups either can't be blocked or have to be blocked on a game by game basis.This makes me very happy. Nothing takes me out of a game more than a trophy/achievement pop-up.
I'm with you man!
It's not happening
If I'm right can I have a cookie please?
I know I'm in the minority, but the lack of system-wide achievements is a huge plus for me.
I'm completionnist enough to avoid playing games I know I won't play enough for 100%. I can't stand having too many low-% in my list. I probably won't totally avoid playing a game because of trophies, but since I have many more games than I can play, I'll play first the ones without trophies or games I will enjoy getting platinum.
I don't understand why you can't disable trophies (if possible on a per-game basis) on other systems. Or rather, I understand perfectly why you can't, it's obviously a way to advertise games, and they won't allow you to disable free advertisement...
Clearly those games made by Nintendo with trophy walls, medals, and such aren't achievements!
Not having a tracker != not having an achievement.
Achievements aren't a major source of addiction. Gaming is. The notion that Nintendo is avoiding achievements because they're addictive and they care too much about the well being of children is just silly. If that were true, why does Pokemon exist?
See my next post which was right above yours. That isn't a forced system-wide implementation that involves a rank for number of trophies. Individual games can get away with it. I never suggested a tracker was necessary, quite the opposite actually.
the idea of the trophies/achievements is to make you return to the game to keep playing it... in a way, you are getting more value for your money, I really don't get why people are getting so defensive with the subject.
if a game offers acomplishments, you can CHOOSE to ignore them...
if a game doesn't offer acomplishments, there WON'T BE any acomplishment to ignore.
that's what the whole thing is all about...
Then it's a tracker problem then.
Makes you wonder how many people would hate Steam here.
Also why would people hate steam here?