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X1 DDR3 RAM vs PS4 GDDR5 RAM: Both Are Sufficient for Realistic Lighting(Geomerics)
- Thread starter ekim
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The texture is of a lower res than it needs to be.
(and on a side note, that is some OG xbox poly count on the legs).
I'm talking about the fact that you claimed 'this thread has the potential to shit on Xbone' even though the guy this thread is about says 'both next-gen consoles will be fine in this regard'. That takes some impressive spin, which posters on the first page are already engaged in by accusing him of lying for PR reasons.
I agree that the 'vs' in the title isn't particularly helpful though.
DeadlyVirus
Member
And how are you going to develop for a console without the tools? Is it the power of the cloud?
Steady stream? Sony showed off some exclusives in Feburary. Where are the steady stream for MS? We only saw gameplay demos for Titanfall, Ryse and Dead Rising.
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Lacking complete tools doesn't equal no tools at all.
And another for Mr SenjutsuSage who seemingly LOVES to keep bosting that Dave Baumann quote. If that quote had any basis in reality, it would have been quoted and discussed 9000 times in B3D. You've quoted it more times than posters there did...that says something.
DeadlyVirus
Member
So, if I know how to make a salad, that makes me a chef?
IMHO, that quote just implies what everyone is knowing: with a proper API and proper coding, a GPU in a closed system is mostly more efficient than it's equivalent in a PC and thus has better performance.
--> that also applies to PS4
Ok, let me get this straight; So you're saying there's two types of graphics:
1. Faked graphics
2. Real graphics
And you're saying that we should avoid number 1, right? Yeah, don't want any of that faked graphics. Why are developers allowed to use faked graphics anyway, I think they should be boycotted, those dums are thinking we will let ourselves be fooled with faked graphics like that. Anyway, good to know. It's nice to have an expert like you around here explaining it to us, coherent, articulate and rational.
Pretty sure he was talking about baked effects. Relax brah.
Whiteshirt
Member
Faked being things like baked lighting. I haven't really paid attention but a lot of people claim that Forza is using static lighting rather than dynamic lighting that is generally found in most higher profile games these days.
wonderdung
Member
It's low res because of the UV unwrap. Even with a character using 2048x2048 texture (better than 1:1 at 1920x1080...) your unwrap distributes that resolution variably across the mesh. Legs getting less resolution than arms makes a lot of sense for an FPS model, plus it's probably exacerbated by the skinning. It's fixable by increasing your texture resolution but at some point (probably between 2048 and 4096) you hit diminishing returns for your screen size.
Ptex gives you variable resolution per-quad so this kind of thing would be less likely.
I dunno if you know all of this already or not, your post could be interpreted either way.
DeadlyVirus
Member
Without complete tool, certain features can't be developed. That's why all Xbone games were running on a Windows 7 platform with high-end specs. I do know that with optimization and tunning of the code they can get it running just fine on the final hardware, but what everyone saw is not it's going to be.
Don't expect the X1 version of Titanfall to be like it was shown (not that I was blown away, because I was not. Looks like a mix of Tribes with Mechs. Not my type). And the private demos of Dead Rising 3 had very serious issues with the framerate, going into single digits, which the developement wouldn't say a word about the development process.
Why are we even arguing? I agree with you 100% lol.
Come on mang. If that statement carried any water whatsoever, B3D would have blew up over that statement. All it managed to equate was a few people who quoted it. SenjustuSage alone has reposted that statement more times than anyone else on the damn intrawebz.
travisbickle
Member
They're both sufficient, but one is more sufficient than the other.
With FUD this good, you should work for Sony.
While Infamous and Killzone look great they are definitely not showing the difference that the 1st party titles had on the PS3.
Maybe now that the hardware is easy to develop for the gap between the 1st and 3rd party games will be much smaller like it was on the 360? I guess we'll know for sure in a couple of years.
Either way I'm sure we're gonna see some amazing looking games this gen from both systems...graphics is the least of my concerns about next gen to be honest.
More RAM will be made available as the OS footprint is reduced.
The same happened with the PS3 and the 360.
More RAM was made available to devs as the time went on as the OSs became more efficient.
Well, you are taking this a bit too far aren't you?
The point is that developers may choose what they see fit for their games, but obviously prebaked lightning vs real time has a different impact on the game engine performance and may prevent from achieving 60 fps for example. I think Forza tries to deliver the best visual quality but using last gen standards for example, and probably is the right choice so early this generation, as most people won't care/notice. Instead evolution is trying to deliver a next gen visual experience, but may end being a bad choice if they cannot reach 60fps. But obviously the second one is what i would expect to be the norm for both PS4 and XBone, as well as being 1080p native and hopefully 60 fps when needed.
bigbaldwolf86
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R3TRODYCE
Member
Aw, now I want a Superrubadub 2.I'm bringing the reinforcements!
That statement is not to be read as PS4 vs. Xbox One.
He is not comparing the PS4 architecture and specs and the Xbox One architecture and specs, despite two variables being the same that if quoted without context it could appear that way.
And that's before even analyzing what Dave Baumann even said.
*O*
I feel like whenever I want to get serious and try understand what all of this shit means, and what system is more powerful than the other, I can never seem to find a clear cut and dry explanation, the fuck do all of these numbers mean?
Is the Wii more powerful than the XBOX? Is the Vita more powerful than the XBOX? How powerful is the PS3? Is the PS4 more powerful than the XB1? Someone please help me!
Is the Wii more powerful than the XBOX? Is the Vita more powerful than the XBOX? How powerful is the PS3? Is the PS4 more powerful than the XB1? Someone please help me!
There's a reason why B3D Xbox Fan's Heaven weren't up in arms over the statement.
Specs alone the PS4 is ~50% more powerful than the Xbone. You can now sleep at night.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
I never said he was, we can't realistically compare the two at the moment. However, he (just like other notable members there, like ERP) is suggesting that the raw performance figures of discrete components do not even begin telling the whole story - funnily enough, that's the same thing Albert Penello was saying, and he got laughed out over here.
No no no no no. He is not comparing the specs of the Xbox One and the PS4. You keep implying that he did.
Just because one has 1.2 TFlops and the other spec has 1.8 Tflops does not mean it is comparing the two. There are 6 other lines in his comparison that are not from the real-world but are theoretical in nature to further the understanding of the person asking a question.
You're just co-opting it to troll the good people of GAF.
It takes me 10 seconds to come up with a scenario where the 1.2TFlops GPU beats the 1.8Tflops GPU if I vary every other variable in a system. That does not translate to that the 1.2TFlops GPU is better than the 1.8TFlop GPU.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
I honestly don't know where you got that. TheCloser was comparing the two based on the leaked discrete component numbers, I just said it's not as simple as that.
Glorified G
Member
It's weird when people claim this yet every single gen has shown to do the exact opposite.
I'm pointing out that your rebuttal is flawed, because it's not based on a like-for-like comparison.
You're using Dave Baumann's reply for something more than was intended in the context of the thread you copied it from.
Just so it doesn't look like I'm only disagreeing with you: TheCloser initial argument can also be dismissed because he was making an appeal to authority.
I thought Sethos already highlighted that so I didn't bother to quote him.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
I don't see how it is, and I don't see how I am, but whatever, keep going at it.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I've heard it too. I bet it's because Xbox one has been lot of changes that might have caused some tools delay. It went Intel, ARM then AMD.
But most of their games have been more develop on the intel xbox dev kit before the AMD one.
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
I don't understand why you would think that and not provide anything to back that up.
Do you really think that companies intentionally want to annoy their customer base by making a game that is multi plat but is inferior on one console? Did Bethesda want those issues on the PS3 version of Skyrim that garnered all the hate they got? No of course they didn't want that.
The different architectures of the past consoles made coding difficult for each platform. Now with both consoles running similar architecture it shouldn't be as big of an issue.
Something, something, pot, kettle, black.
Dude if consoles have different power they will not have parity. X360 and PS3 did not have exact same quality and they were power wise almost the same.
PS4 now is almost 50% more capable and developers will use that. Better framerate, better effects, better resolution you name it. Maybe even some effects that will not be present on Xbone
I thought PS2 was 32 MB RDRAM and 4 MB eDRAM.
It is unlikely that the arms and legs are part of the same model (and it is not just the legs that look like arse, the floor is also showing some really crappy textures).
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
I'm getting a PS4 so I hope they do go all out on it's power. What I'm trying to do though is look at this from the publishers view instead of looking at the potential with the difference in power between the consoles.
I could be way off the mark and they could make games that are clearly far superior on the PS4 but I think companies will be vary of doing too much because gamers are fickle and could be put off from buying something on the Xbox if they see it's better on the PS4 graphically. Time will tell.
Glorified G
Member
There has always been a performance gap between plenty of multiplatform games. No dev is going to intentionally gimp one version just to keep parity, it's never happened and it won't start. Ubisoft didn't gimp the xbox version of Splinter Cell, which was vastly superior just keep Nintendo and Sony happy. If you wanted the much better experience that was closer to the pc version, you bought it on the xbox. If you didn't care, then go with the gc and ps2 versions.
And people were annoyed with the PS3 version of Skyrim because it was borderline broken, if a 360 version existed people would still be annoyed. It had nothing to do with a superior version being vastly better.
Why would they care which version they bought? As long as you bought a copy it's good enough. What consumer has ever looked at a game their interested in and said said "Wow, the _____ version looks much better, I guess I'll buy neither."
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Seriously, he's right.
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1763939&postcount=4710
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1763889&postcount=4704
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1763153&postcount=4649
Seriously, it's getting sad and the mods at B3D won't ban these idiots so the forum is basically becoming unreadable right now. Rangers/specialguy/Tyrone is in full on melt down mode right now grasping at as many straws as possible and juniors/newly registered posters who post "inside information" get taken seriously over there despite none of these ever turning out to be right.
Some of that stuff is "beyond" stupid!