no it isn't?
um, yes it is. New games are expensive as fuck day one, just like console games, except they're digital.
No loaning, no borrowing, no trading.
Remind me how its not?
no it isn't?
I'm sick of all the misdirection and "But steam is worse"
NOT EVERYONE USES STEAM. Stop assuming so.
I'm sick of all the misdirection and "But steam is worse"
NOT EVERYONE USES STEAM. Stop assuming so.
There is an even simpler solution!
Buy a PS4!
Anyway it's not Steam. Steam is one of the delivery methods for the windows/PC platform. There are loads of competitors in the digital realm, some with no DRM whatsoever. There are physical discs etc.
The value for money and competition on the PC is great.
If you wish to avoid Steam on the PC you can. Can we say the same if you buy on the Xboner?
Stop saying "we." I am not a part of this drama queen circle jerk.
This. This is the key point for me.
2006 FIFA World Cup
-2010 FIFA World Cup
A:
-All-Pro Football 2008
-America's Army: True Soldiers
-Apples To Apples
-Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader?
-Army of Two
-Army of Two (EU)
-Army of Two (JP)
B:
-Battlefield 2: Modern Combat
C:
-Chromehounds
-Colin McRae: DiRT 2 DiRT net is down.
-Colin McRae: DiRT 2 (PC) DiRT net is down.
-College Hoops 2K6
-College Hoops 2K7
-College Hoops 2K8
-Crackdown 2: Project Sunburst
-Create
D:
-Def Jam Rapstar
-Def Jam: Icon
E:
-EA Sports Active 2
-EA Sports MMA
F:
-FaceBreaker
-Family Game Night
-FIFA 06: Road to FIFA World Cup
-FIFA 07
-FIFA 08
-FIFA 09
-FIFA 10
-FIFA 11
-FIFA Street 3
-Fight Night Round 3
-Frontlines: Fuel of War
G:
-GH Tunes for all Guitar Hero games are questionable at best.
H:
-
I:
-
J:
-
K:
-
L:
-Live Draft Tracker
-Live Score Tracker
-Lord of the Rings: Conquest
-Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth 2
-Lucha Fury
M:
-Madden 2006
-Madden 2007
-Madden 2008
-Madden 2009
-Madden 2010
-Madden 2011
-Major League Baseball 2K6
-Major League Baseball 2K7
-Major League Baseball 2K8
-Major League Baseball 2K9
-Major League Baseball 2K10
N:
-NASCAR 08
-NASCAR 08 (EU)
-NASCAR 09
-NASCAR 09 (EU)
-NBA 2K6
-NBA 2K7
-NBA 2K8
-NBA 2K9
-NBA 2K10
-NBA 2K10raft Combine
-NBA 2K11
-NBA 2K12
-NBA Jam
-NBA Live 06
-NBA Live 07
-NBA Live 08
-NBA Live 09
-NBA Live 10
-NBA Street Homecourt
-NCAA Basketball 09
-NCAA Basketball 10
-NCAA Football 07
-NCAA Football 08
-NCAA Football 09
-NCAA Football 10
-NCAA Football 11
-NCAA March Madness 07
-NCAA March Madness 08
-Need for Speed: Most Wanted
-Need for Speed: Pro Street
-NFL Head Coach 09
-NFL Tour
-NHL 07
-NHL 08
-NHL 09
-NHL 10
-NHL 11
-NHL 2K6
-NHL 2K7
-NHL 2K8
-NHL 2K9
-NHL 2K10
O:
-
P:
-Phantasy Star Universe
-Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PES 2008)
-Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 US (PES 2008 US)
-Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (PES 2009)
-Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 US (PES 2009 US)
-Pro Evolution Soccer 2010 (PES 2010)
-Pro Evolution Soccer 2010 US (PES 2010 US)
-PGR 3 - Currently the servers are still active, although Gotham TV is gone making an achievement unobtainable.
-Pure Futbol
Q:
-
R:
-
S:
-Section 8
-Skate
-Spare Parts
-Star Wars: Battle for Hoth
T:
-Test Drive Unlimited
-The BIGS
-The Godfather
-The Godfather II
-The Saboteur
-The Simpsons
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11
-Top Spin 2
U:
-UEFA Champions League 2006-2007
-UEFA Euro 2008
-UFC Undisputed 3
V:
-
W:
-WWE All Stars
X:
-
Y:
-Yoostar on MTV
-Yoostar 2: In The Movies
This. None of these restrictions bother me.
To be fair, Steam was always a digital only service so you never own a piece of physical media. I don't see people shitting themselves over Microsoft not allowing us to resell digital copies. but they are muscling in on used disc game sales and allowing only to give it away to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days.
also, steams pricing is FAR better for what you get.
i'm all for this campaign, this type of restrictions and app focus sound horrible for people in small countries like myself.
on the other hand i can't help to notice many sony fans pushing their own agendas on the internet with the crash and burn of the xbone.
mixed feelings.
Well obviously if you were looking to avoid DRM you wouldn't buy the Xbox. Just like if you were looking to avoid DRM on PC you wouldn't download Steam.
To be fair, Steam was always a digital only service so you never own a piece of physical media. I don't see people shitting themselves over Microsoft not allowing us to resell digital copies. but they are muscling in on used disc game sales and allowing only to give it away to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days.
also, steams pricing is FAR better for what you get.
I don't see why?
Sony have already confirmed the PS4 doesn't require an internet connection, all Sony published games can be traded/bought used. The PS eye isn't mandatory, etc.
I agree as well, here is a list of just 360 games with closed servers: Will you lose access to these games, or is our monthly xbox live sub going to keep these servers up next gen for YEARS:
Steam is much worse, except that it doesn't require Kinect.
I already thought the #nodrm stuff was pushing it... And now am I the only one thinks the idea of this thread is just embarrassing?
Like seriously, if you feel so strongly just dont buy it.
I am definitely boycotting this and spreading the word in person, on facebook and on twitter. It's frustrating because I was so hyped for this but then all the awful rumours came true. Sad times.
I dunno... I read stuff like this and all I feel is slight embarrassment. I get that you care- but why do you feel the need to prostheletize and campaign against a piece of plastic? If people like the games they'll buy it, if not not.I'm 100% on board for any boycott. We'll cross this bridge with Sony as well if they go down this road.
Microsoft has now come out in the open and stood behind what we all feared. There's no confusion left but in the tiniest nuances of this story: they are gunning for us as consumers, and it's either we stop it now or this industry radically changes into something not worth saving (if it even survives at all anyway).
If this not worth a boycott, absolutely no bit of game news would ever warrant such. If this is not worth a boycott, then we might as well all just go home and allow any business to take advantage of us simply because we don't want to put in the effort to push back. If this is not worth a boycott, then we never really loved games in the first place and this hobby of ours needs to go down in flames anyway.
I say, if this is not worth a boycott, then nothing in this industry ever would be.
Yeah, did they just completely forget that not EVERYONE who gets the Xbox has a) an Internet connection b) a reliable Internet connection c) wants to connect to the Internet. All these restrictions are draconian.
My point was about the openness of the platform. PC is open, lots of options.
XBone is closed, so there is a trade off, historically this has meant that you can trade in games, lent and rent them.
MS has decided to go to an all digital, licence the games, future. And that's something to shout about.
You may not care, many won't, but there are lots of us who do and see harm in it. It's a power grab, shifting the balance too much toward the publishers and particularly MS.
I dunno... I read stuff like this and all I feel is slight embarrassment. I get that you care- but why do you feel the need to prostheletize and campaign against a piece of plastic? If people like the games they'll buy it, if not not.
Question, the last two points. Are those confirmed? Where was it mentioned that games will be locked to the person who buys it forever and where was it mentioned that they then can't sell it on if they so choose?
I only ask because if it's wrong (and from what I understand reading the various threads, it might be), it kinda brings the whole message into question and makes it seem kneejerk and misinformed
Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.
So...I'm gonna post this again, because I think I bring up valid points about the industry, but it's also a wall of text. Last time I post it, I promise. Sorry if it's frowned upon, I can remove it if so.
Frankly, the industry has backed itself into a corner with poor practices, lack of elasticity, and an absence of focus. Unfortunately, this has been pushed over to us, the consumer. We are now expected to bite the bullet, to pick up the slack for Publishers, so they can continue to do what they do: All of the wrong things. Used game sales aren't the problem. Piracy isn't the problem. If Dead Space 3 needed to sell 5 million copies to break even / justify it's existence as a franchise, then no amount of cutting used sales or removing piracy was going to make that game wildly successful, nor was it going to increase the profit margins for it. EA, you did it wrong. "AAA" games are the problem. Frankly, we need MORE b-tier titles at $19.99-$39.99. Those titles have small budgets, small expectations, and bigger profit margins (as those price ranges hit a wider audience). We need less investment into super bowl ads, prime time commercials, or UFC ring space. We're in an age of always connected devices. Hulu, Amazon, Google, even the consoles themselves...the advertising spaces are there, where gamers see them. We need to break our relationships with the enthusiast press. Stop coddling them, and stop letting them hold you by the balls. You want to remove the problems with metacritic? Start putting together better (and more) demos that show off your product in new and meaningful ways. Don't sell us on trailers with cheesy rock / dubstep tracks and quick cuts of what your game looks like, let us REALLY see the game.
MS just was open about the system. I don't like it, but why is it on you to educate? And is educating about consoles really a high priority?So you're arguing that people shouldn't be educated that the way they buy/sell/trade games is going to change drastically with this console?
So what happens to people who are okay with this. Who just want to play games and love the games the X1 offers?
Are they an enemy for the rest of the "gaming world"? Should the next step then be to forcefully try to convert them?
video-game crash of 2014
And my point was simply that you're looking at it too closely. When I think of gaming, I think of consoles and PCs. Obviously PCs have different options for buying, downloading and have different policies for DRM. Consoles by nature are closed off, but there is more than the one type of console. So if you don't like the policies implemented by Console manufacturer 1, then simply buy Console number 2. Or switch to PC.and handheld I guess
I understand why people are displeased with this, but absolutely nothing is stopping people from buying the PS4 instead.
This entire situation is fucked, how are they going to recover from this?
The essence of why the world devolves to shit. Weather its about the economy, enviroment, taking care of the poor/needy. Its always lies with those dont give a F.
I know this has lots of pathos in it but it is the essence of todays problems.The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
So anyone who buys an Xb1 is a lemming? What if people just don't care about the things you care about in a console?Massive online FPS where war is contantly raging due to always online. The lemmings will fall right in line, money in hand.
MS just was open about the system. I don't like it, but why is it on you to educate? And is educating about consoles really a high priority?
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license
I was curious about this as well and simply followed the link provided at the bottom of the picture.