Um, that's not calling you a name. That's an interpretation of your intentions in the topic, which by all accounts is becoming more and more wildly accurate with each passing post you make.
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[2014] Xbox One Indie Parity Clause impacting number of announcements for system
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Um, that's not calling you a name. That's an interpretation of your intentions in the topic, which by all accounts is becoming more and more wildly accurate with each passing post you make.
Once it's lifted there's no reason an indie dev wouldn't try or, at least, consider putting the game on XBO. The huge road block is taken down and now they can get their game on a system with 6 ~ million users.
They may sell less but the game is at least purchasable and playable for XBO owners. Now they don't even get the CHANCE of playing the game on XBO.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Everything...EVERYTHING..you've just said can be equally applied to AAA games. So it's essentially a moot point.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I was talking about brand new games, not just ports of steam/Xbla/PSN titles.
Still, Vast majority is probably a bit of a overstatement.
Haunted
Member
Veritigo_X
Member
I'll fight you
remember that Indiana Jones game that was being made that was using Euphoria physics?
good times, good times
I'll fight you
That's one I've never played. My Indy game experience has been Temple of Doom on NES and Indiana Jones Greatest Adventures on SNES. Neither of which were particularly good.
Oh, lawd.
TypuyBaran
Banned
It's not personal... Just surprising how one can scream you are ignorant while getting world up about a juniors personal opinion that indy games mostly suck... Again, in my opinion.
But you bring up an excellent point...😃
Niteandgrey
Neo Member
I can understand the reaction to those claims as being epeen measuring, but in this case I don't think most of the people in this thread are engaging in that. It's more to illustrate a problem. It's not about which console is better or any of that nonsense, it's about a policy that isn't working.
In the case of our two newcomers, they simply don't care because it doesn't affect them, which is pretty ignorant.
Because they hate indies. If there are more of them it is harder to spread the hate around? I dunno man.
Alrightie, so we have gone from this
to this
Can we expect in a few posts that it will be only half of indies suck?
to this
Can we expect in a few posts that it will be only half of indies suck?
JackLongRod
Banned
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
But, this topic isn't even ABOUT indie games, it's just using them as an example.
I mean, this parity clause could conceivably be the reason why Street Fighter 5 is not coming to the Xbox One, because if Capcom can't develop and release both the PS4 and the X1 versions at the same time then they can't release it on the X1 at all. Is Capcom a fucking indie developer?
Are people even reading the OP????
ShogunDarius
Member
it's because fanboys/fangirls are idiots of the highest degree, and some say they are good for the industry while I think the total opposite, they let terrible practices, policies go unchecked. There were people defending that damn DRM last year and this stupid clause this year.
Niteandgrey
Neo Member
Absolutely. I mentioned earlier in the thread that I'm part of an indie dev team that doesn't have the resources to develop for both platforms simultaneously, consequently we're only developing for PS4. But if MS reverses this policy, we'll build an Xbox One version without question and I'm sure we're not unique. Any indie dev would want their game to be accessible on as many platforms as possible.
That's the thing, MS can undo most of the damage very easily.
OrbitalBeard
Member
But, this topic isn't even ABOUT indie games, it's just using them as an example.
I mean, this parity clause could conceivably be the reason why Street Fighter 5 is not coming to the Xbox One, because if Capcom can't develop and release both the PS4 and the X1 versions at the same time then they can't release it on the X1 at all. Is Capcom a fucking indie developer?
Are people even reading the OP????
I don't believe the parity clause applies in the same way to publishers, though I could be wrong.
learnedhand
Member
I imagine that amongst the current group of indie developers, you'll find the future geniuses and AAA creators who will bring us new and exciting games.
Microsoft would be smart to get to get on their good side.
Microsoft would be smart to get to get on their good side.
But, this topic isn't even ABOUT indie games, it's just using them as an example.
I mean, this parity clause could conceivably be the reason why Street Fighter 5 is not coming to the Xbox One, because if Capcom can't develop and release both the PS4 and the X1 versions at the same time then they can't release it on the X1 at all. Is Capcom a fucking indie developer?
Are people even reading the OP????
No they aren't. Coming in here to post that you hate or love indies has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Solaire of Astora
Death by black JPN
What about monkey island? Day of the tentacle? Full throttle?
He must like grim fandango though, right?
Haunted
Member
#notallindygames
lol Haunted!
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Yeah, I thought it only applied if you took a free dev kit as part of ID@Xbox
TypuyBaran
Banned
Listen, all types of people expressed their personal opinions on indy policies, quality of indy games etc. Many people explained that these policies are to their personal detriment and that's fine and fair, I respect that and didn't tell anyone they are an idiot for liking indies. I simply pointed out that in my opinion this policy doesn't move the needle for me one way or the other as it simply doesn't effect me in large part because of my poor experience with just about every indy game I tried. I mean we all share opinions here... No? Not once did I say this policy should be enforced or that people who like indy games suck... For the record.
are you kidding me what was the budget on monkey island
TypuyBaran said:
Where is SomethingGroovy to tell me about how wrong my psychoanalysis is about how selfish some gamers are being?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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the question is when? If development of an XBO version has already been dropped and a game is already supporting the game on several other platforms and maybe even doing preproduction on their next game, there really isn't much indication the Xbo will get the game anywhere close to the original release, if at all.
please don't think im saying the indie clause is a good thing:- its not.
Im just unsure that at this point the damage hasn't already been done to the extent that removing the indie clause would be much more than a PR victory.
Basically im saying, that Microsoft has alot more work cut out for them to be seen as a indie friendly plaftorm. The indie clause is a big part but the puzzle is far larger.
Night Angel
Member
It IS a great way to run defense for a corporation, though.
You know posting about whether you think the policy should or should not be enforced would actually be more on topic.
First words of your post are already incorrect. You offered your opinion on indies not the indie policy, which is the topic of this thread.
March of the Crabs
Member
I find it funny that we now live in a world where Nintendo handles indies 100x better than MS.
Off-Kilter
Banned
It's kind of incredible that this clause has the almost opposite effect of what Microsoft intended. It left a bad taste in my mouth ever since I first read about it, and now is as good a time as any to shelve it for good.
Can you make a Freudian slip with a link? When questioned about an awful policy they won't change, it seems oddly appropriate to point to a game called We Are Doomed. I only wish this policy was.
Teletraan1
Banned
Thanks for the write up. This thread is needed. That MS tweet was gross. What a bunch of asshats. They just don't care do they. Hopefully this policy gets put in the garbage where it belongs.
The posters in here clumping indie games as some genre are foolish. Saying you don't like indie games you might as well just say you dont like games period. Indie is not a genre. Indie games encompass every game genre available. While I do feel that this mindset stems from the early deluge of twin stick shooters and pixel art platformers because those games rose to prominence early and a lot of copycats showed up on the scene. This happens in the AAA scene as well. That one E3 every game was Uncharted.
The posters in here clumping indie games as some genre are foolish. Saying you don't like indie games you might as well just say you dont like games period. Indie is not a genre. Indie games encompass every game genre available. While I do feel that this mindset stems from the early deluge of twin stick shooters and pixel art platformers because those games rose to prominence early and a lot of copycats showed up on the scene. This happens in the AAA scene as well. That one E3 every game was Uncharted.
I don't understand why people opposing the OP don't get this. Even if you are opposed to buying games by independent developers for whatever bonkers perception you have of them, it's a training ground for the mid tier. In five years time there's a good chance it's going to be huge part of console gaming. That's why the media has been covering it with more and more enthusiasm. MS lose nothing by allowing those developers to cut their teeth on XBO, even if they don't release there first. Hell, I'm buying shitloads of indie stuff on the Vita that came out on PC months/years ago.
Giriath_89
Member
I don't think Amir0x has anything against the Xbox, or even Microsoft. People in this thread are discussing the fact that the parity clause is a negative for developers, Xbox and gamers because its effect is the reverse of its goal and leads to less games on the Xbox. How much anyone enjoys these games is irrelevant to the topic - your or my opinion does not change the fact that the parity clause is not functioning as intended.
It may or may not be close to release but why should the person buying the game care? At least they still get to play it. As it stands now they simply won't get the game on XBO instead of getting it a few months down the road. Regardless, if XBO development was dropped, devs would pick it back up THAT DAY and start working on it.
All it takes to be "indie friendly" for the XBO is to not have this unfriendly policy in place, that's IT. Everything else they're doing with indies (dev kits and Unity and all that) is fine but then they throw up this nonsensical brick wall simply because they want it "first, same day, or not at all". This is really just putting the boot to devs' neck and trying to force their hands.
I certainly don't. I played 90% of all my games on 360 last gen (and online), and purchased virtually every indie game there last generation.
I have issues with certain policies Xbox One had, of which this is the sole remaining big blip on my radar. As soon as it's resolved, I can buy an XBO.
Solaire of Astora
Death by black JPN
About $20 million each for the first two. Unfortunately, Ron Gilbert spent most of the budget on ghost pirate insurance and kept getting stung by the largo embargo.
20 million! Yee gods! Of course I love those games!
So are MS shills trying to stop all the negativity with telling everyone how shitty indie games are now or why do some juniors suddenly voice this opinion so loudly when it adds nothing to the discussion?
I think it is weird that people still can't realize how bad this clause is. It would be even worse if it would work for MS.
I think it is weird that people still can't realize how bad this clause is. It would be even worse if it would work for MS.