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Albert Penello downplays XBO/PS4 difference in Tomb Raider; "we just shipped"
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Yeah some of them do pop
He isn't though, it's complete bollocks. What he should have done was talk about the long generation and marathon not sprint etc. maybe talk about Ryse. As for the other titles - do not talk about gem at all. Specific downplaying just make shine come across as scrabbling in the dirt for something to grab hold of. It isn't necessary
gioGAF
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I don't understand why all these PR mouthpieces keep addressing performance differences. There is nothing to add on the subject, if you go by hardware alone PS4 > Xbone, period.
Penello should talk about the Xbone and about the system's games and strengths. Downplaying graphical differences just makes him look bad. What is next, will he tell people that Xbone games are pretty much the same as a high-end PC?
It is not just Penello, there are a bunch of others just like him. Take Adam Sessler, who seems to do nothing but MS PR instead of reviewing games.
Yes there is a difference between 1080p and 720p, same with 30fps and 60fps. Most of the world probably doesn't care, but hardcore gamers certainly do. PR guys should focus on talking to "most of the world" and telling them what they believe is great about their product.
Penello should talk about the Xbone and about the system's games and strengths. Downplaying graphical differences just makes him look bad. What is next, will he tell people that Xbone games are pretty much the same as a high-end PC?
It is not just Penello, there are a bunch of others just like him. Take Adam Sessler, who seems to do nothing but MS PR instead of reviewing games.
Yes there is a difference between 1080p and 720p, same with 30fps and 60fps. Most of the world probably doesn't care, but hardcore gamers certainly do. PR guys should focus on talking to "most of the world" and telling them what they believe is great about their product.
Warm Machine
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Sure. We don't know what is included and what isn't included one way or the other though until the real game comes out. I prefer to not be cynical.
And A to B comparison between two different games on different engines with different goals and all is silly which is why I said that the visual style of Titanfall lends itself better to the visuals due to having more immediate details on the buildings, characters, etc.
Does Titanfall have jets and tons of online players, destructible buildings, and so on? No but it does have cooler looking assets which is why it looks better to me.
Phire Phox
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Well, he does have a point.
BlackBuzzard
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So if this PR thing doesnt work out for him, he could always become
This wins.
No he doesn't, read the thread, he was factually incorrect in his statements.
Nah. MS will let these fucking clowns keep making a joke of the Xbox brand.
What point?
SwiftDeath
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And here's a template for the rest of you
Are you sure? Because after that quote someone else speaks and I thought that was Greenburg.
What a climactic twist! Adds a whole new meaning to 'movie analogy'.
LiquidSolid
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He seriously said that? Christ, the ego. You'd think he'd keep his trap shut on that aspect, given all the complaints about it. Then again, it doesn't seem like he can help himself.
Oh and welcome back, Thuway.
Ehhh, it's not as effective for me without his face when comparing to the Major Nelson fun facts.
Nope. Not sure. I'm listening to the start now and I think you're right after all.
Edit: Yeah you're correct and I'm incorrect. I jumped straight from when Aaron was definitely speaking (intro) to 58:00 and it's not the same voice so it's Penello after all.
Too many twists now for viviks86.
Lol, i'm actually a little embarrassed for you. Tough week.
He has no point. None. They are called lies. We should be able to recognise this.
SwiftDeath
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Hmm ablert's face is far less recognizable and it seems odd to use Hyrbs when quoting someone else
Uno Venova
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joke poster
BruiserBear
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I gave Penello the benefit of the doubt when he showed up last summer/fall. He couldn't shut up though, and he kept on talking shit about how this power difference didn't really exist. Then the consoles came out, and he was wrong about pretty much everything. Then he disappeared like a punk.
I have no interest in this dude's fantastical bullshit anymore.
I have no interest in this dude's fantastical bullshit anymore.
MS is having a really rough time this gen. From DRM, to the damage control PR, to lesser specs resulting in poorer quality games, to the damage control PR, to price, the damage control PR, to units sitting on store shelves. Mattrick flat out insulting the consumer was addressed, nelson seems to have been wrangled in, Spencer is cool, but they still have this guy running around reminding people why there was so much angst exhibited to the new xbox.
You can't damage control this stuff. Grin and take it like a man. The proof is out there via consumer's experiences, developers/insiders are laughing at these comments like what penello just made, which again are just insulting the consumer. You mean to tell us resolution and framerate means nothing? But last gen MS told me they mean the world and I should buy the 360 ports!
The only thing saving MS right now is that ninty is having a massive disaster on it's hands, taking a lot of the focus off of MS.
You can't damage control this stuff. Grin and take it like a man. The proof is out there via consumer's experiences, developers/insiders are laughing at these comments like what penello just made, which again are just insulting the consumer. You mean to tell us resolution and framerate means nothing? But last gen MS told me they mean the world and I should buy the 360 ports!
The only thing saving MS right now is that ninty is having a massive disaster on it's hands, taking a lot of the focus off of MS.
krypt0nian
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You can always stop with this thing you do. It's not too late.
Good god man, put a warning up before you throw up something like that. It made my eyes sting and begin to tear up.
I doubt that and I think we can stick to the verifiable shit he said to have laughs.
True story, can't remember where he said it though.
Does Penello not realize that by continually downplaying this, he's just bringing MORE attention to the hardware power disparity between the two consoles?
To the many, many people in this thread posting some form of "Well, what do you expect him to say?" you really can't think of ANYTHING else he could say?
Here's one suggestion: Talk about how Xbone owners have already seen greatly increased graphic fidelity compared to the 360s they owned previously. MS decided to focus on multi-tasking and services rather than purely pushing more pixels and framerates, so the benefit is that you're going to have access to things like Snap and better voice commands. Whatever you talk about, stop making references to the PS4 and drawing comparisons strictly about graphics, because that just renews the conversation and is a battle that cannot be won.
I mean how ridiculous would it be for me to argue that my laptop nvidia 555m is going to produce better graphics than some guy's desktop Titan GPU (not saying the disparity between the Xbone and PS4 GPUs is this big)? If I'm going to argue anything I'm going to argue that the benefit of my laptop is its portability.
To the many, many people in this thread posting some form of "Well, what do you expect him to say?" you really can't think of ANYTHING else he could say?
Here's one suggestion: Talk about how Xbone owners have already seen greatly increased graphic fidelity compared to the 360s they owned previously. MS decided to focus on multi-tasking and services rather than purely pushing more pixels and framerates, so the benefit is that you're going to have access to things like Snap and better voice commands. Whatever you talk about, stop making references to the PS4 and drawing comparisons strictly about graphics, because that just renews the conversation and is a battle that cannot be won.
I mean how ridiculous would it be for me to argue that my laptop nvidia 555m is going to produce better graphics than some guy's desktop Titan GPU (not saying the disparity between the Xbone and PS4 GPUs is this big)? If I'm going to argue anything I'm going to argue that the benefit of my laptop is its portability.
And what point would that be?
He actually did to be fair, he even said he would pass that on to MS (insert department here), its on GAF somewhere.
Chobel
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I believe it was Eurozone when looking at launch countries for the 360.
He was adamant the XB1 was launching in more countries than the 360 because he had eurozone down as one country. He self tagged it afterwards with #geographyfail.
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this is the correction
click through to follow the conversation)At this point we are getting dangerously close to consoles having little/ no distinction between themselves and PCs. When we finally do hit that point I wonder what will give. Long gone are the days of no load times at all and networked consoles can only truly be viewed as the gift and the curse. Non-networked consoles pretty much forced devs to iron out as many wrinkles as humanly possible before shipping, which was great for us gamers. That also meant that once the game was out, that's pretty much all you are going to get for that game. No expansion packs, extra maps or what have you past the point of everything you unlocked from the retail release. Then comes the other end of the spectrum.
As a networked console, devs could now ship "Serviceable" builds of their titles with patch fixes pending. I can totally understand someone who primarily gamed on consoles beforehand would consider it unacceptable for games these days shipping in somewhat broken fashion compared to what they are used to getting. Then again, they also get the opportunity to experience expansions (DLC) and what not that,, when implemented properly, can extend the life of your game.
When we finally do hit that point I wonder what will give.
Note for Penello: To the people who care enough to talk about framerate differences in the first place, saying a performance gap isn't as big as people are making it out to be isn't going to be received well. At best, it makes those people think you're less informed than they are, and at worst it sounds deceptive and condescending. Even if you think those people are off-base.
Lemmie put on my "Communication Hat" for a second. I love playing devil's advocate, so bare with me. Taken as a whole, I don't think the original exchange was too bad, but it was an easy target. I think something like this might have been taken better.
If they ask for further comments about the competitive state of the platform in light of this?
Lemmie put on my "Communication Hat" for a second. I love playing devil's advocate, so bare with me. Taken as a whole, I don't think the original exchange was too bad, but it was an easy target. I think something like this might have been taken better.
If they ask for further comments about the competitive state of the platform in light of this?
Yeah this is Sarah Palin stuff right here. I don't think Albert is uneducated, I just think he's bad at PR.
Edit: If true SMH
NullPointer
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A car analogy would work much better I think. They always do.
entremet
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I think you vastly overestimate the general populace interest in these sound bites. This is more discussion board fodder than anything else.
Albert is the gift that keeps on giving.
.......That was just....WTF? Albert cannot be serious
You guys should listen to the podcast. There's a great analogy there by Albert.
edit: by great I mean bwahaha
.......That was just....WTF? Albert cannot be serious
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SP Yeah. Mp bf4 is average imho. Not speaking about titan didnt see yet on hq
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