Shogmaster
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Isn't Pixel C 10"? Switch is 6". That's a huge chassis size gap.
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Am I crazy to think that Switch will do worse than Wii U if it doesn't run Android?
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Isn't Pixel C 10"? Switch is 6". That's a huge chassis size gap.
Robobandit
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who wants an android tablet w/ only 3 hours of battery life?
Shogmaster
Member
If the final version has only 3 hrs battery life, it will fail anyways. It won't be 3 hrs. It will be more for sure.
Sora the Cat
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it will probably last 3-4 and it won't fail. I don't expect more of a gaming machine, not until we improve battery technology I guess.
You'd be surprised. Voltage curves are very interesting, to say the least. Also, that 20W is for the entire Shield console, not just the chip.
CaviarMeths
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I don't get it. Are you disagreeing with your own OP? You're agreeing that it would probably outsell the Wii U with just 2 games if it was priced at $200. But the Switch is obviously going to have more than just Pokemon and Animal Crossing.
I think it's going to pass Wii U's lifetime sales by the end of 2018, with or without Android.
Shogmaster
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GPD XD runs like 8 hours with 5" LCD. Heavy duty games, like 5 hours. It's not voodoo magic. it's realistic expectations and power management.
Shogmaster
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This thread is not a hard line assertion by me by any stretch. That's why I'm asking it in such a way as I phrased it in the first place. I could certainly be crazy in this situation. I'm not sure either way.
DerekOfTheDykes
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One major problem, OP, is that you aren't understanding what the Switch is. The Switch isn't a tablet anymore than the 3DS or Vita or Shield is a tablet. Just because it (likely) has a touchscreen and you can use it with the controls taken off the sides doesn't make it a tablet. It superficially resembles a tablet in some simple ways, but it is designed and intended to do completely different things.
If you turn the NX into an Android device and try to push too hard on non-gaming apps and multimedia functionality, you actually muddle the messaging and distract from the main concept. Switch may end up having a couple of streaming apps, but it isn't a multimedia device or web browser or e-reader, it's a dedicated game console. Nobody needed PS4 or 3DS to run Android. Switch has more in common with those than it does with a Galaxy tablet, and that is obviously what people are excited for, so why chase Android?
There's a market swarmed with devices that use the Play Store and run Android. There will only be one device that plays Switch cartridges.
EDIT: On top of that, making Switch an Android device opens up a new can of worms for third party developers porting games to it, as well as confused customers wondering why they need this one specific Android device to do all of these unique things.
Basically, Switch would heavily confuse the general public by tying itself to Android.
If you turn the NX into an Android device and try to push too hard on non-gaming apps and multimedia functionality, you actually muddle the messaging and distract from the main concept. Switch may end up having a couple of streaming apps, but it isn't a multimedia device or web browser or e-reader, it's a dedicated game console. Nobody needed PS4 or 3DS to run Android. Switch has more in common with those than it does with a Galaxy tablet, and that is obviously what people are excited for, so why chase Android?
There's a market swarmed with devices that use the Play Store and run Android. There will only be one device that plays Switch cartridges.
EDIT: On top of that, making Switch an Android device opens up a new can of worms for third party developers porting games to it, as well as confused customers wondering why they need this one specific Android device to do all of these unique things.
Basically, Switch would heavily confuse the general public by tying itself to Android.
I think I'm the crazy one, wasn't there a rumour a while back that was stating that the Switch was going to be an android powered machine? Would be interesting if it was just a pinch of detail that makes more sense now seeing the finished system.
Edit: Found one of the articles (the company denied it at the time) https://www.engadget.com/2015/06/01/nintendo-nx-android/
Edit: Found one of the articles (the company denied it at the time) https://www.engadget.com/2015/06/01/nintendo-nx-android/
I just don't think that Nintendo wants to put out a product that's a tablet that also plays Nintendo games, but the way to play new Nintendo games on a device that's similar to a tablet.
I think adding android and android app would... "muddy" the focus of the device, which is playing games. I dunno, I just think it's a bad idea. People already have devices to do all this stuff that they carry around. This isn't being sold as a "tablet," but a portable/home gaming console. That's just my opinion. Edit: but someone just said pretty much the same thing but better.
I think adding android and android app would... "muddy" the focus of the device, which is playing games. I dunno, I just think it's a bad idea. People already have devices to do all this stuff that they carry around. This isn't being sold as a "tablet," but a portable/home gaming console. That's just my opinion. Edit: but someone just said pretty much the same thing but better.
Shogmaster
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Well then I think many people who are not diehard Nintendo fans will be out I'm afraid. And you will have another sales disappointment for Nintendo.
Sora the Cat
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So 5 hours, against 3 (allegedly) of the Switch devkit (We still don't know brightness and other power settings). With GPD XD having a tinier screen and less powerful hardware. I think that if they reach 4 hours it will be acceptable.
Lol I seriously doubt that.
Jack The Nipper
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Wiii U did so bad that it's hard to do that bad. Even a ps4 like Nintendo console with hard core mario would blow away the Wii U and even N64, gamecube imo
Because Nintendo hasn't made those type of games in a long long time that appeal to top end visuals and game play. if they did, man would the hype be huge!
Because Nintendo hasn't made those type of games in a long long time that appeal to top end visuals and game play. if they did, man would the hype be huge!
Shogmaster
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Although Android is likely a better OS than whatever this thing will run, there's not a single chance in Hell this will run Android. And yes, you are crazy, OP.
It looks like a tablet, people will expect tablet things from it. That just makes sense.
I also don't understand the "muddy the games part" argument you and other bring forth. Most people DON'T CARE about dedicated video game hardware. Those who do care will get this because Nintendo. The rest might get this because it's Nintendo and because it's a tablet. They're not gonna play every Nintendo game like we do. They need more reasons to buy this other than Nintendo. Having said that I don't know if this will even work out for those people if there are super cheap tablets out there already or other tablets with more Apps.
The pitch of this device is confusing but so is the video game industry as a whole nowadays.
This is a video game console, not a lifestyle device. If Nintendo is going to be successful going forward as a console manufacturer, it will be on the strength of their support for the Switch, including their IP library and internal studios, which tablet manufacturers do not have and are not focusing on. I am not sure where you're getting the idea that someone's primary interest in the Switch would be for an OS that is readily available on cheaper electronics.
Shogmaster
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I think 4 hours would need to be minimum, not maximum.
I admire, but do not share your optimism.
Japanmanx3
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Super cray
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The thing will sell more in japan alone than WiiU did worldwide if Nintendo doesn't fuck something really up (like a >399$ pricepoint or something like that)...
3DS vs Switch will be the real comparison, WiiU will be beaten pretty fast.
Shogmaster
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3DS will be tough to beat unless Switch is miraculously priced similarly to 3DS.
geordiemp
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Your 100 % correct from a consumer pint of view if the Switch had Android functionality it would have more functionality for mass market.
The Apologists and defenders claiming security and hacking : Thats the challenge of the manufacturer and maybe a bespoke Android that is more secure.
A piece of hardware doing more things is always a better consumer deal if done right.
Last_colossi
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As much as it would be convenient right now for the Switch to run Android, I'd much rather it didn't.
As no matter how much optimisation Nintendo and Nvidia do Android has a tendency of slowing down after years of Software Updates, Case in point: Try and use a Samsung Galaxy Note 2, S2 or even Google's original Nexus S and see how well they run today, would you want your Switch to run that poorly 5 years from now?
Nintendo's OS' may not have anywhere near the extended features of Android but for a gaming console I'd take that any day over performance degradation.
As no matter how much optimisation Nintendo and Nvidia do Android has a tendency of slowing down after years of Software Updates, Case in point: Try and use a Samsung Galaxy Note 2, S2 or even Google's original Nexus S and see how well they run today, would you want your Switch to run that poorly 5 years from now?
Nintendo's OS' may not have anywhere near the extended features of Android but for a gaming console I'd take that any day over performance degradation.
Yes, you're crazy for thinking that. Succeed or fail, Switch isn't going to replace people's phones in their pockets, and therefore everyone will either already have an Android device with them (Android phone users) or have no interest in Android (iOS users).
Switch is likely to already get some mobile games ported over, anyway. And it's likely to have its own web browser and other basic internet features.
Switch is likely to already get some mobile games ported over, anyway. And it's likely to have its own web browser and other basic internet features.
CrimsonSquall
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Why would it matter if it ran Android? Fuck that, wtf OP
SynthFetish
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Yes, are absolutely crazy.
If, and a strong if, it does run Android, I'll likely not buy it.
I have no time to fuck with that, I use consoles because I like ease of use. Android is far from an easy solution. (Yeah, yeah, I know. It's not that bad.)
If, and a strong if, it does run Android, I'll likely not buy it.
I have no time to fuck with that, I use consoles because I like ease of use. Android is far from an easy solution. (Yeah, yeah, I know. It's not that bad.)
Shogmaster
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YAY! I have one on my side! *happy dance*
This doesn't take into account context, AKA availability of said feature to consumers from other sources. Such as any smartphone or tablet.
Nintendo could try to place this as a "Hey parents this is a tablet by Nintendo so your kids are safe" kinda deal. No credit card information stored, no giant IAP. They could try to persuade App developers to release their ganes without all that F2P crap on their platform.
But, I don't think enough people care. Parents give kids their phones and tablets anyway. They might think they care about a safe environment for their kids but once they see they have to buy a whole new tablet AND buy the games they are out. On the other side why would Supercell release a Deluxe edition of Clash Royale on Switch if its price ceiling would be something like $20 or $40? As long as idiot whales keep all dem dollars flying in and the government isn't stepping in I don't see a change in strategy.
But, I don't think enough people care. Parents give kids their phones and tablets anyway. They might think they care about a safe environment for their kids but once they see they have to buy a whole new tablet AND buy the games they are out. On the other side why would Supercell release a Deluxe edition of Clash Royale on Switch if its price ceiling would be something like $20 or $40? As long as idiot whales keep all dem dollars flying in and the government isn't stepping in I don't see a change in strategy.
345triangle
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google has no say in it because the core android codebase is available as open source through AOSP. it's only an issue if you want to include google's apps and services on the device, which nintendo obviously would not. (i assume you're talking about tizen re: samsung, which isn't based on android at all and is offered on phones in russia and india.)
seriously, can anyone in this thread give a good reason why nintendo wouldn't use AOSP at least as the foundations for an OS on its new ARM-based console? given what we know about its software prowess? it's pretty much the default source code for operating systems at this point.
don't let your opinions on mainstream android phones get in the way of the reality of the proposition. an AOSP-based OS would be incredibly easy to develop for and give nintendo a massive leg up in an area where it's extremely weak.
the only reason i can think of is that it would be very un-nintendo to be that pragmatic.
Panajev2001a
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Enough to do better than Wii U + 3DS?
Sora the Cat
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Is this like a general marketing rule or something? Cause it certainly doesn't make it a better deal for me as a consumer.
Nintendo has a history of denying nikkei reports that later turned out to be true.
Shogmaster
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Nintendo's media app will probably not run .mkv, nor AC-3 audio and bunch of other things that many of my files will need to play.
Considering Nintendo's history with regards to anti-piracy measures they'd be very unlikely to have the switch run on Android.
They'd also need to make the tablet doubly stand out to compete with what is a saturated market with small market share (Ipads dominating 80%+ of the space)
They'd also need to make the tablet doubly stand out to compete with what is a saturated market with small market share (Ipads dominating 80%+ of the space)
ScientificPizza
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but your whole argument is based on the assumption that whatever nintendo do can't be better than android
or at least comparable
Shogmaster
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YEAH! much better put than I did in the OP.
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Panajev2001a
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Nintendo can run to NetFront for the browser or even better Mozilla (these days you want web developers to consider you and the closer you are to an open standard the better), but for one not having Google Chrome or the default webview as the former requires concessions to Google and the latter requires Google Play Services which... requires concessions to Google then Nintendo would get a platform with no Play Store access and that would not be able to run apps that rely on Google Play Services.
345triangle
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i think that is an incredibly safe assumption to make.
Shogmaster
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And that's why I won't be taking it to any airports/planes any time soon.
If it had access to PlayStore or even sideloading .apk then we would be set on this front.
345triangle
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yep, exactly i'm saying they should build a new OS on top of AOSP. no google services.
I'm crazy too OP, I think you're right.
For me the Switch would be a must have if it can run popular android apps (mostly a proper browser like Firefox and a proper media player like VLC).
If the multimedia functions are as shit as the wii u, I don't see myself being interested and would rather stay with my current tablet.
For me the Switch would be a must have if it can run popular android apps (mostly a proper browser like Firefox and a proper media player like VLC).
If the multimedia functions are as shit as the wii u, I don't see myself being interested and would rather stay with my current tablet.
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