Would you? Real time GPS tracking (and then reporting it) is pretty battery-intensive. You going to strap a car battery on the lion? Or go in an tranq it every couple days so you can swap the battery out?
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American hunter illegally killed Cecil the Lion
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Would you? Real time GPS tracking (and then reporting it) is pretty battery-intensive. You going to strap a car battery on the lion? Or go in an tranq it every couple days so you can swap the battery out?
What are you talking about? His spokesman already said he isn't denying shooting the lion. Unless you're claiming that the lion wasn't Cecil or that Cecil wasn't a protected lion, then what exactly are you defending?
entremet
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Actually yeah. I'll look it up.
blitzcloud
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in my honest opinion, the two cases are nowhere close to be similar. The lion was too high profile, it makes no sense to do what they did. Not denying that they did it, but i'd rather wait before passing judgement. I will discuss anything anytime, given the proper proof. And I won't have any problem passing judgement when the proof is solid. In my (made up) opinion, he might have been fooled with fake permits by the other guys. I can wait to see how it unfolds before wishing him death like in this thread or laughing at people saying he should kill himself and turn into a cat scratcher.
But heeey, that's me, the unpopular opinion guy.
Oh lol i'm not denying he shot the lion. Do we know if he was there in every part of the process including the luring and the attempt of destruction of the collar? He keeps saying he had permits. he might be lying, he might not. Using a previous example isn't solid enough to pass judgement or enjoying his social assassination. Again, that's just me. Yesterday I saw the TED talk about "one bad tweet" and I might be giving it more thought than necessary
Fenderputty
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Hyperbole much lol
Jelly Rajah
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If you had his address, would you stand by that sentiment?
Riposte
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Just because you don't like someone or what they did doesn't mean they are psychopaths. You are merely using psychopath as an insult.
People like this assflaw do not hide their wanna be alpha sides.
If you were around him you know what he did, you knew of his "passion" for these excursions.
There is such a thing as guilt by association.
People make choices constantly through their lives, and ignoring or turning a blind eye to someone like this and choosing to work for them is such a time.
depths20XX
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RAH RAH MURDER THE GUY AND MAKE A LION BITE HIS PENIS OFF
Seriously though, this guy is an asshole and he should get jail time.
Seriously though, this guy is an asshole and he should get jail time.
minor effort
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At the very least revoke this guy's passport.
Now I'm curious. Under what circumstances can the United States revoke a citizen's passport?
Now I'm curious. Under what circumstances can the United States revoke a citizen's passport?
The Jackdog
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no i totally see where you are coming from, i do. i can see how someone inexperienced would easily be tricked by people too.
But this guy IS experienced. theres no way he was just sold a bad bill of goods. He knew the people to see to hunt a lion illegally, at least how the evidence is stacking up.
Im obviously by no means some poaching expert, i have SOME (little) knowledge of hunting practices, but i know you cant just show up in Zimbabwe and start asking the locals "hey which way is lions?!" and then after getting it thought "HMM WHATS THIS COLLAR BETTER BREAK IT". they also specifically lured the lion off protected grounds, again, something someone with his experience would know is just not something you do.
the guy is an experienced big game hunter. he either knew he was being set up and didnt care, or wasnt set up at all and planned to illegally hunt a lion, IMO.
Hero_of_the_Day
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I bet it's funny to be a completely unknowing consumer looking for a dentist, and stumbling onto a yelp page of reviews like this.
The Lamonster
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Of course not. There's no justice in this world.
Yup. Hopefully Entrement's google-fu is good.
Those poor cubs.
Adult males kill kids that aren't theirs.SolidusDave
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and they would be equally fucked if he rightfully gets prison time. That will never happen so internet vengeance is the next best thing.
(lynch mobs are a problem of course.... though the nature of posing with your face next to the dead animal helps a lot to avoid targeting innocents
)One would assume that another dentist could take over anyway.
ElectricBlanketFire
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In a court of law, which this is not.
Fenderputty
Banned
Yup, you're a joke. Carry on with your chest pumping.
lol my first thought upon seeing this awful news
carry on thinking murder is somehow acceptable
The Jackdog
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this is pretty ignorant of a lot of things
Can I team with the French woman and the Richest Man in Qarth?
It's not only that, Most hunters just enjoy the thrill of the kill even if it was just for a turkey or something, I don't agree with that at all, but I can semi-understand where they're coming from.
What I can't understand at ALL, and I hope even the people playing devil's advocate here agree with, is that shooting an animal with a crossbow, and then having it remain injured for 40 hours while you stalk it is psychopath status.
Also, removing the collar doesn't seem fishy to anyone? Come on now. Did he just go take a piss and then his guides removed it while he wasn't watching?
shadowfall
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I hope he goes to prison. Most likely he will get a slap on a wrist and fine. I doubt he will be extradited.
Off topic - I do not get the obsession of hunting animals. Look I am so hot for killing a defenseless animal with a weapon. I hope they force people to fight animals bare fists going forward to even the playing field.
Off topic - I do not get the obsession of hunting animals. Look I am so hot for killing a defenseless animal with a weapon. I hope they force people to fight animals bare fists going forward to even the playing field.
TheLostBigBoss
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So by that definition our ancestors were all mentally insane for surviving.
You can't just throw away millions of years of evolution. There are ways to enjoy hunting that's sustainable and humane with respect for the life you take.
Obviously this is not one of those ways.
I hope you don't eat any meat too btw
DeadlyParasite
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What a scumbag. We've got enough animals gong extinct due to humans as is, totally unnecessary.
Question: are you a vegetarian?
NoblesseOblige
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Murder is specifically reserved for the killing of another person, just as an FYI.
billy beane
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The internet does not fuck around when it comes to cats.
It's a good principle outside of court as well. There's been plenty of cases of the internet hate machine going off on somebody that turned out to be innocent or going after the 'wrong' person in a case of mistaken identity. Mobs are ugly things guys.
As long as it's the animals doing the murdering it's ok? Isn't that what happens in Zoo?
He did it because he knew he could. He went to Africa to take advantage of the fact that something like this could be done with no moral compass and abiding to laws. He went to a country with $$ and got what he wanted. If he is due a comeuppance they it will come. Otherwise than that this is not new.
Edit: Oh wow that came off wrong. Just implying that hunters seem to take advantage of the paper thin legal system regarding poaching. It's a problem.
https://www.awf.org/campaigns/poaching-infographic/
https://www.gapyear.com/articles/121051/illegal-poaching-in-africa
Cheerleader hunter: http://www.ryot.org/meet-19-year-old-cheerleader-known-killing-animals-africa/740561
Edit: Oh wow that came off wrong. Just implying that hunters seem to take advantage of the paper thin legal system regarding poaching. It's a problem.
https://www.awf.org/campaigns/poaching-infographic/
https://www.gapyear.com/articles/121051/illegal-poaching-in-africa
Cheerleader hunter: http://www.ryot.org/meet-19-year-old-cheerleader-known-killing-animals-africa/740561
blitzcloud
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That does indeed tilt the balance to the guilty side, which is my stance too, and I can't say your argument isn't solid. Now this is discussing. You gave a coherent speech of why such a hunter wouldn't goof like that.
I still say it's possible because I don't know exactly the circumstances and he might have been led to believe it was correct based on previous interactions with hunting grounds. But I accept your argument and it is probably the truth, based on the fact he lied before about his hunting plus all the things you said.
I still don't know if he was present at the luring itself, so might have been set up because the guys wanted a quick buck. I don't know.
depths20XX
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Those poor cubs.
And the new lion that takes over will probably be a mean guy like Scar, not an honorable leader like Mufasa.
Riposte
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As far as you are concerned, which is someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Your diagnose is meaningless and you simply want to use psychopath as a bad word. To put it simply, whether one hunts animals for sport or not does not reflect their relationships with other humans (i.e., society). To you calling someone a psychopath is just another way of saying "FUCK YOU!!!" because they made you mad.
Fenderputty
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Even if that person were, it doesn't really excuse the ignorant opinion.
iamaustrian
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he's american. The usa never extradites american citizens to other countries.
apparently it's even ok to multiple stab and dismember your own friend. just make sure you don't do it in the united states but in a foreign country.
fuck that guy btw
poachers are the scum of earth. I hope he goes bankrupt and ends on the street, eating trash I'm throwing away.
Pyramid head
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Our ancestors wouldn't have survived for too long if they only took the heads and skins of their pray and left the meat in a bloody heap where they killed it.
TheLostBigBoss
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no it just lets us enjoy his hypocrisy
C'mon, dude, of course it was. They didn't name it posthumously.
Can you kill African lions in places other than Africa?
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