ShogunDarius
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anecdotal but i'm sure a few people bought it multiple times due to RROD, I know people that did
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Andrew House: PS4 sold through 2.1 million units worldwide as of 12/1, 700K in EU/AU
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anecdotal but i'm sure a few people bought it multiple times due to RROD, I know people that did
That NA figure seems completely off. They were at 25.4M sold in the US only in April 2011.
There is absolutely no way their EU (minus the UK) share is as big as you think it to be.
Manmademan
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Yep. Can't be understated. A year headstart and a huge price advantage only led MS to TIE Sony last gen.
They were cruising for a loss before the generation started. The only debate is how big, and if these launch numbers say anything about US/UK demand the answer is "pretty damn big"
That's a mighty large call.
secondspace
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A lot of people seem to be hoping or assuming that MS will just roll along as they have been and let Sony have a win.Going by the terrible E3 reveal, it's not impossible, but they've made a lot of changes leading up to launch, I'd be surprised if they weren't willing to make more if Sony start to take a big lead in the new year.
The US figure was off by a lot. See one of my above comments for the corrected number.
zomgbbqftw
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360 became the pirate's console in most of Asia and in Russia. It made a lot of sales there in a similar manner to the PSP. The Bone won't be making the same sales to those people.
360 sold 2.4m units in Germany which is the second largest market in Europe after the UK. The Bone is not going to hang on to all of those buyer because it doesn't have the same inherent price and time to market advantages. 25-30m in the US, 5m in the UK and 10-20m elsewhere.
Indeed. It's just that your "assumptions" come off as if they were facts.
Prince Vultan
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Manmademan
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That's hard to quantify, but the 360 got a huge midlife bump thanks to Kinect, selling 25 million units or so. That's probably a bigger console mover than RROD replacements, and isn't happening again.
Ahhh.. So you HAVEN'T used an XBONE before. No, the system is barely functional and entirely frustrating without Kinect. Literally almost the entire UI would/will have to be redesigned from the ground up if they start shipping without Kinect. Guys who are loving the system fully admit even simple things like achievements and code redemption are buried and seemingly unreachable with the controller. The upside to Kinect is that it makes the UI pretty slick. The downside to it is that as the UI exists now they would be slitting their wrists shipping it without Kinect, and yes even with minor changes.
Kazuma Kiryu
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You mean the region MS is giving the shaft by not even having a solid release date for most countries, launching at a higher price than both competitors and where kinect/xbox live will be lucky to have half the features available as the US does?
TacticalFox88
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It's funny, that no matter how much you educate some mofos, people stll cling to the idea that MS will somehow come out on top or be "even".
It's not happening. Sony may be playing the humble game (and hell, some of them may be genuine depending on which exec you ask), but they all know they're in for a win. They know it, MS knows, Nintendo sure as FUCK knows it.
I don't think MS included them in the numbers, most people got them replaced under warranty.
Demand for both seems strong , I think in the Uk at leats we will probably see a role reversal (3:2 in Sony's favour). The XO isn't going to be a flop by any metric.
Opus Angelorum
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shinra-bansho
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Shipments will exceed sell-through. So you're looking at between ~25-30M for the rest of the world v. ~45-50M for the rest of the world, or a rough delta of 20M units.
This is with a 17 (?) month advantage and a significant price advantage.
It's not a far-fetched proposition that without those advantages in non-UK PAL territories, and without advantage in the US and UK, that delta will extend with these systems.
Tricky I Shadow
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The
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It is OK. Sony did that firstly....
ShogunDarius
Member
Yeah I know, there's no real way to know how big an impact RROD had, I went through a few consoles myself. No way would I do that again however.
LiquidSolid
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No-one would buy it whole (including Disney), they'd sell it off in pieces like THQ was. Maybe they'd keep Halo and 343 on staff, because it's such an enormous series, but the rest would be sold off separately and the ones that aren't bought would be closed down (like Vigil Games).
I doubt they'd survive a month if they were spun off as a standalone company. Throwing money at problems is such a big part of Microsoft's culture at this point that I really doubt they'd be able to turn things around fast enough to survive.
So much blind hope.
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Manmademan
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Never said it was a flop (that's the wiiu) but of the 80 million 360s sold, 50 million were in the US/UK. That's very, very heavy on a single region, meaning MS loses a ton of sales if Sony leads or ties there.
The reverse isn't true. Sony is strong enough elsewhere that flopping in the US with 25 million units last round didn't kill their business. MS only doing 25 million stateside means there will be no Xbox two.
I don't think there will be a 40 difference either, but LMAO @ the thought of XBox being dominant in NA and UK after this.
If a price cut comes, Sony will be sure to match it.
Sorry.exe
ShogunDarius
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That I believe is true, though some people did buy a new console instead of waiting for a replacement (if it was even still covered) my family did just that.
They won't give it if they can't beat that, and they can't beat that.
So if anything, expect something with a spin to it that hides the real number.
Until the quarterly report or something.
They'll emphasise the higher sales than 360's launch.
I checked the sales figures for 2012 (http://www.dataspelsbranschen.se/media/133771/nordisk_spelförsäljning_2012.pdf), and in Sweden it was pretty much a tie between the 360 and ps3. In the other Scandinavian countries the PS3/360 ratio was 2:1 or higher.
So, imho, Sony could still do better in Sweden, and I really think they would if they kicked out Nordisk Film as a distributor (no, I really don't like them)
killatopak
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You mean Atoi(papercraft)? I just got it on the net then edited it to me.
LiquidSolid
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Classic American geography you've got there. Here's a couple of tips for you:
1) 80 million SHIPPED (which includes units on shelves and any replacements for RRODs/other issues)
2) Rest of the world != Europe. Asia, South America, Africa and Oceania aren't in fact located in Europe. And while some of those wouldn't have bought many, they do add up eventually.
We already got their spin, "Xbone launch was the biggest console launch EVAR!*"
*in Xbox history.
Nordisk Film and Bergsala are a liability as local distributers. The sooner Sony and Nintendo ditch them the better.
Duxxy3
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Unless they are better than the PS4 numbers, you are not going to hear them.
Great news for Sony and the industry
But I won't lie I expected a million+ but that number came from my ass just like the NA ones
I think the console wars, even at the beginning, are going to be much closer than what we think despite Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot after the E3 fiasco and costing $100 more.
And RIP Wii U. How the mighty have fallen.
On a side note: Not only does Japan get their consoles late but the newer software/hardware seems to be struggling everywhere: Vita, Mario, Final Fantasy, Wii U, etc. What a crazy era we live in where Japan has become a second/third tier country
But I won't lie I expected a million+ but that number came from my ass just like the NA ones
I think the console wars, even at the beginning, are going to be much closer than what we think despite Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot after the E3 fiasco and costing $100 more.
And RIP Wii U. How the mighty have fallen.
On a side note: Not only does Japan get their consoles late but the newer software/hardware seems to be struggling everywhere: Vita, Mario, Final Fantasy, Wii U, etc. What a crazy era we live in where Japan has become a second/third tier country
They might come out and announce Black Friday numbers in NA, since according to most reports - it outdid the PS4. They could spin that to their benefit.
They can start with the free games on XBL if they want to compete with PSN, Gears of War? Are they serious?
Yeah, just saw that. Still, you're completely forgetting about LA, Asia, MEA, Pacific regions.
NA 40M
UK 8M
Japan 1.6M
Let's round it up to 50M. That leaves 30 for the whole EMEA region (minus the UK), Latin America, the rest of Asia, AU/NZ, India.
I wouldn't expect the 360 to be anywhere close to 20M in EU (including the UK), from various figures (e.g 13.7M in 2011).
So the UK represents a big share of the whole EU territory. Likely around 50% (for the 360).
That Wont Fit In There
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This is awesome. Glad to be part of that number. Looking forward to supporting the Xbox next year, too.
I asked the same thing, probably based around this report:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/for...possibly-affected-15-global-memory-production
Paracelsus
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It was 250000 in the market that makes up for roughly a third of the entire continent.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
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Beyond actually building a very impressive box Sony's biggest win has been in its marketing. Let's be honest, there's nothing on the either box that makes it a must own yet. The difference is that Sony has somehow made the ps4 a really nice and durable hype bubble that Major Nelson and Co can only dream about. Their marketing has been beyond the traditional channels and includes Twitter, forums, favorable media and a lot of viral stuff that's nearly been Apple like in its execution. In contrast Microsoft appears to have thrown money at the very same sub par TV and Web ads that they thought would make the Surface an iPad killer. Sony have run a cutting edge marketing effort while Microsoft have run something more suited to 2003. Beyond adding value to the Xbox One, Microsoft really need to start getting their message across better.
killatopak
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Hydrargyrus
Member
They need to supply the stores with new stock ASAP.
The demand is huge and the wait plays against them
The demand is huge and the wait plays against them
We already got their spin, "Xbone launch was the biggest console launch EVAR!*"
*in Xbox history.
Is there any issue with it? Xbox One outsold X360 during launch is a fact. What is wrong with best console launch ever in Xbox history?