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- Thread starter Dandy Crocodile
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Picked this up today and followed the suggestion path of picking a character, doing tutorial + Championship 1-3, played some party now.
I would love to play with some GAFers, is there some Community thread with friend codes or is it this thread?
Anyway, my friendcode is SW-0233-6180-1840 , add me if you wanna play, still new to the game though.
I would love to play with some GAFers, is there some Community thread with friend codes or is it this thread?
Anyway, my friendcode is SW-0233-6180-1840 , add me if you wanna play, still new to the game though.
TheGoreMagala
Member
I added you but I think everyone in this thread would advise you to not go against me if you're faint hearted or not mentally prepared.
hang out in the discord channel, most chatter happens there as far as gaf lobbies go
TheGoreMagala
Member
This, Discord gets crazy
Calibrated Chaos
Member
Playing this in handheld mode and I suck so bad. Any tips? Or is it really just meant to play either motion or pro controller
QuixoticNeutral
Member
Watching Valle's matches with Gore's Helix from Sunday to see what one is in for in the lobby... and that's an awful lot of popping.
I've been clearing GP 4 without any trouble just with the default setups, and steadily improving every time, but after practicing a bit with Helix on my own just to learn the basics, I don't know if I'll keep that commitment and run GP with the Blorb / Ice Dragon / Guardian. I could tell right away that Helix's innate advantage (other than being hard to hit) is how quickly he charges upright away if you make the tower, and for a small window as soon as you land the tap-jump. It takes some getting used to once you've trained on the charging patterns of the other characters.
From some practice in Versus and Training, though, I don't know if I'll be able to do very much with Helix's starting loadout (especially if I have the misfortune to draw Skillshot, which does not go well with this selection). It's giving me trouble on training stages that I had otherwise completely figured out on the other characters, which doesn't bode well. I'm curious if any of you beaten GP 4+ with those arms and, if so, what you made of the experience.
I've been clearing GP 4 without any trouble just with the default setups, and steadily improving every time, but after practicing a bit with Helix on my own just to learn the basics, I don't know if I'll keep that commitment and run GP with the Blorb / Ice Dragon / Guardian. I could tell right away that Helix's innate advantage (other than being hard to hit) is how quickly he charges upright away if you make the tower, and for a small window as soon as you land the tap-jump. It takes some getting used to once you've trained on the charging patterns of the other characters.
From some practice in Versus and Training, though, I don't know if I'll be able to do very much with Helix's starting loadout (especially if I have the misfortune to draw Skillshot, which does not go well with this selection). It's giving me trouble on training stages that I had otherwise completely figured out on the other characters, which doesn't bode well. I'm curious if any of you beaten GP 4+ with those arms and, if so, what you made of the experience.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Can anyone link me to Hawkians guide for a friend?
For all intents and purposes he's also permanently charged in a puddle too, not just tower, and he can attack with both arms in puddle without standing up
For all intents and purposes he's also permanently charged in a puddle too, not just tower, and he can attack with both arms in puddle without standing up
RaySpencer
Member
Ive just been reading this thread casually since release, and I havent actually seen any Gore fights till now... haha, yeah that seems balanced.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Can't tell if that was sarcasm
RaySpencer
Member
Of course its sarcasm, haha.
You can stand there in tower mode blasting out power shots. Sure a good a good medium attack could go right through that, but tower wiggles and is harder to hit, and even then you can switch to puddle spam.
Its not like it isnt unbeatable or anything, its not THAT broken, but it certainly is stuff that puts Helix in a Tier all by himself.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Fair enough, anyone here who's fought me long enough knows it can be beaten and there are countermeasures but the fight itself has to be treated as something COMPLETELY different than any other character to even have a chance at victory, I would say.
RaySpencer
Member
Yeah for sure, its beatable for sure.
Its just that Helix has a MUCH easier way to access basic moves that everyone has, but everyone else has access to them on a more similar level. Helix can access it basically 100% of the time, at a ridiculous speed. Its clearly not balanced at all.
Its fascinating and interesting to see, but it will basically break any chance of the game being competitive until they fix it. Stuff in fighting games doesnt have to be unbeatable to ruin competition, it just has to be unbalanced enough to ruin everything.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Hmm...are you referring to the charged arms?
So far in my experience when I'm beaten, it's not really consistent, especially when I learn behaviors. Though I feel it might have todo a lot with people not practicing against Helix much. Whammer and parasol can be deadly but I can work around them, but if someone were to understand Helix more perhaps it would be a hard counter
Tower and puddle mode also have their weaknesses as well
RaySpencer
Member
Charged arms and his dodges as well.
This is the main issue though, and its something you even see yourself. Since Helix has such a different grasp of the basic abilities, his fights are extremely different from anyone else. Which isnt balanced.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Can't you argue that 1 or 2 of your arms would be "in case of Helix" and have the rest by your normal arms?
In a way fighting a Min Min is completely different from fighting a Master Mummy. With Helix I view that as the same, but just to a slightly greater extent
RaySpencer
Member
No, because that is exactly what unbalanced means.
Unbalanced doesnt mean completely broken, it means exactly what you are talking about, it means needing specific tools to fight against it that arent necessary anywhere else. There is a difference between wanting to use different tactics against certain characters because they are effective, and HAVING to use different tactics because its the only thing that works.
TheGoreMagala
Member
I see, understandable. I can get that argument. It's too early to say, though. After various testing we were able to find some flaws most noticeably his incredible vulnerability in the air as well as the puddle's weakness to aerial combat
How does it fair against hammers and boomerangs/chakrams/slapamanders?
TheGoreMagala
Member
Hammers actually make things quite more difficult due to the way they function. Boomerangs also seen effective (slapamanders too) for air punishing but makes puddle untouchable. I dunno about chakrams but I hate Ram Rams specifically on Min Min
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Having trouble on the last two fights of GP2. Clearly I need to figure out how to play this game, haha. Wide throws seem to make my world burn.
I think hammer + something what comes from the side is the way to go.
The only thing I think is actually unbalanced about it is the unlimited charge attacks. It's kind of OP on min min and it's definitely OP here. Instant charge is one thing, unlimited charge is.... it needs a bigger down side. And it's not like helix wouldn't be totally fine without it.
I think if it's gonna go esports then it'll have to be limited to default arm load outs or people will gravitate to things like this and it'll effectively be like a 4 character fighting game.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
What makes him so good?
Hard as nails to hit. Any character that has great mobility options like Helix and Kid Cobra are handful in this game. It's funny how it feels like it's the heavyweights like Master Mummy and Mechanica that have to be more aggressive.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Min Min only gets on one arm and has to throw or be super vulnerable to obtain it, though. Plus it can go away if knocked down. Helix is stationary and a single hit knocks him down, he can also be grabbed or be punished if forced to evade out of it
Spring has permanently without restriction past 25% HP
I tried using mechanica and master mummy just for fun and even then i had zero fun because its such a chore to do anything. I use B&B and Helix because they at least have some options.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Hint, your time stop on the ground is MUCH more powerful than in the air, it's likely why Mr. Yabuki said to not be in the air so much with her.
JStein0222
Member
It would be cool if there were a competitive mode for default arms. Having 3 specific arms each, it gives the characters a little more personality and I think it's more interesting to watch.
Hmm ok I'll give that a shot. It seems like your guys has more reach than she does.
TheGoreMagala
Member
All arms have the same reach.
Ok that's good to know.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Difference is I lean Helix in before throwing when I think I can hit for that LITTLE bit of forward distance. You can also throw an arm and walk forward for slightly more distance too
GwyndolinCinder
Member
wanna play a different character, but Nintendo won't let me, who thought grinding was a good idea.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
I'm noticing how much more dangerous mobility is over anything.
Are people going motion or controller? I'm currently trying motion, but curious if controller is worth it's weight or not.
Is he stationary? Can he be grabbed? Because yea those would be the down sides to make it balanced but it doesn't look like it's true for double poppers at least.
JStein0222
Member
Motion is a blast. My girlfriend was getting the biggest kick out of watching me do all these tiny precise movements on the couch the other day haha
TheGoreMagala
Member
Yes and yes. And like I said he can evade out of it but can be punished in the air too. As for double poppers I believe you just have to approach careful and perhaps use another arm to disrupt or avoid them in order to land the one hit you need
Played all night with a controller yesterday and liked it. Then I read the newbie guide and figured I would give motion control a shot.
This is legit. I absolutely hated it at first but stuck it out for a few rounds. And a few more. I got better each time and now I feel really capable with motion. Better than I did with controller. I'm impressing myself.
I'm also sweaty.
This is legit. I absolutely hated it at first but stuck it out for a few rounds. And a few more. I got better each time and now I feel really capable with motion. Better than I did with controller. I'm impressing myself.
I'm also sweaty.
TheGoreMagala
Member
GG Gwynn, took me too long to realize you were playing Min Min and that I had stuck to my tower routine
Sure... but I think the game is also pretty unbalanced like Gore highlights. It's not as if Gore is a genius and the only good fighting game player or person who can understand mechanics.
He's good and a Helix genius, but Helix is also on the busted side.
In terms of the game makers being able to balance this game, look at how easy it is to cheese Skate Park or Skillshot and tell me again that they've balanced it.
Games gonna get some patches for sure.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Babymario, use your ground time stop more often, trust me.