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Beyond: Two Souls - Review Thread
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Raitosaito
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Beyond's facial expression seem really odd compare to TLOU. Uncanny valley is very present in this game.
So sterling has a point.
So sterling has a point.
I should have probably said "is going to hold the medium back". I just hate when people give such a narrow definition of what a video game should be. It's a medium that can encompass all the positives of books, music, film and more and yet people scoff at certain games if they don't fall into an established genre or play style.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yep. They desperately need to move on to facial motion capture.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Jim Sterling is like a big teddy bear around these parts. When people here agree with him, they want to hug him, when they don't, he becomes a punching bag.
I wouldn't go that far. Beyond's facial capture is probably the most impressive thing about the game. Certainly better than LOU which overall is far superior.
From what I've played, the story in Beyond 2 Souls is pretty good for a video game, but due to the fact that the game plays more like an interactive movie the reviewers are holding it more to the standard of a movie.
I think the one thing the game really needed was some game over sequences for failing QTEs (but not overly harsh like RE6) and more immediate obvious differences/consequences from the choices you make. I replayed some sequences because I wanted to do better, but in the end there was probably little difference in failing most of the QTEs in an action sequence. Is the only thing that ever really changes is character deaths? That seems to mostly center around healing them.
I think the one thing the game really needed was some game over sequences for failing QTEs (but not overly harsh like RE6) and more immediate obvious differences/consequences from the choices you make. I replayed some sequences because I wanted to do better, but in the end there was probably little difference in failing most of the QTEs in an action sequence. Is the only thing that ever really changes is character deaths? That seems to mostly center around healing them.
It's 2013 and we're still having the "Is it a game?" Argument. Seriously? After stuff like Asura's Wrath and The Walking Dead? Or fuck, with the booming Indie Game industry that's around? This idea of games not being games has been ridiculed sense Nintendogs became huge on the DS, stop this line of thinking.
Anyways, these extremely polarizing reviews are pretty exciting!
Anyways, these extremely polarizing reviews are pretty exciting!
But David Cage said that game overs are a failure of the game designer.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
Sent ya a PM.
My thoughts exactly.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Well the real question is are you even controlling the horse in that section in that gif.
If all your controlling is the camera, then that alone sets it apart from Uncharted or Tomb Raider. In those games you may not be able to explore the scenery, but you certainly can control the action of your character in whatever set piece the developer wants you to be in.
But if you are controlling the horse then I dont see a problem. That's already a step up for a David Cage game
dragonbane
Member
Textures are pretty good for the most part as well:
http://youtu.be/70s7MLabHB8?t=24m17s
Every game has its rough spots. Doesn't mean it is bland. Beyond is the best looking game of the PS3 with the exception of maybe TLoU
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
Nothing against you, but I've never been fond of this statement. I don't see why video games should get extra credit for consistently putting together less than mediocre stories. Sure, there are exceptions, but for the rest, why should they catch a break for poor writing?
dragonflys545
Member
I'm hype for his next project too!!!! Bring it!
it's their fault, they don't manage most of their first party studio and ips well, hell even ND and SSM can't make new IPs that easily yet they throw millions and gave complete freedom to this guy.
Not even close -going with the demo- also only thing going with the game are the faces, the characters bodies and animations look bad, the environments/level design is flat and lack details.
Dragon1893
Member
That's why ND animate the faces by hand. The face mo-cap used in Beyond is pretty damn good though.
Reviews all over the place as expected.
I'm definitely expecting a 3/5. Everyone except Brad(i think) hated HR.
The (expected) extreme reaction to this game is hilarious; i can't wait to get my SE copy of the game in the mail.
Seems some reviewers are using this game as a scapegoat to not so subtly exert their influence on what a game should be. How depressing and downright juvenile. Without giving any names away, I agree that the medium is being held back because of pretentious pricks like some of the aforementioned reviewers.
It's obvious they have a bone to pick. Its just sad to see that they decided to take it out on this game rather than in an editorial as it should be. This only discourages artists from really opening up and will limit what we get out of games in the future.
It's obvious they have a bone to pick. Its just sad to see that they decided to take it out on this game rather than in an editorial as it should be. This only discourages artists from really opening up and will limit what we get out of games in the future.
dragonbane
Member
You are. The section is bigger than the most open environment in TLoU.
Well the real question is are you even controlling the horse in that section in that gif.
If all your controlling is the camera, then that alone sets it apart from Uncharted or Tomb Raider. In those games you may not be able to explore the scenery, but you certainly can control the action of your character in whatever set piece the developer wants you to be in.
But if you are controlling the horse then I dont see a problem. That's already a step up for a David Cage game
Acquiescence
Member
It all boils down to how well Beyond sells now. If it can do the same numbers as Heavy Rain, then that'll secure the partnership, and QD becomes a first-party studio as a result.
dragonflys545
Member
Nice pickups.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Personally, I love this type of game.
My wife and I can play it during the evenings and experience a great story which we get to feel involved in.
My wife isn't a typical gamer and we usually relax to a movie or show at night, so this fits right in and mixes things up a bit. I really hope they keep making titles like this.
My wife and I can play it during the evenings and experience a great story which we get to feel involved in.
My wife isn't a typical gamer and we usually relax to a movie or show at night, so this fits right in and mixes things up a bit. I really hope they keep making titles like this.
Well the real question is are you even controlling the horse in that section in that gif.
If all your controlling is the camera, then that alone sets it apart from Uncharted or Tomb Raider. In those games you may not be able to explore the scenery, but you certainly can control the action of your character in whatever set piece the developer wants you to be in.
But if you are controlling the horse then I dont see a problem. That's already a step up for a David Cage game
Nope you are in full control of the horse and camera.
shadowstar
Member
Agree about Tomb Raider. It was surprisingly open. When you're left to explore I found myself backtracking and exploring all the areas for items. Since many of the areas were so large you could choose to engage enemies in many different ways.
Eurogamer Spain: 7/10
http://www.eurogamer.es/articles/2013-10-08-beyond-dos-almas-analisis
http://www.eurogamer.es/articles/2013-10-08-beyond-dos-almas-analisis
dragonflys545
Member
Never heard of Gamespot? Polygon? What a load of crap.
It has a 74 on metacritic, that is a mixed score.
dragonbane
Member
Because you are playing it, which makes it more awesome.
The first scene of the demo is actually the worst looking environment so far (8 hours in).
Well the real question is are you even controlling the horse in that section in that gif.
If all your controlling is the camera, then that alone sets it apart from Uncharted or Tomb Raider. In those games you may not be able to explore the scenery, but you certainly can control the action of your character in whatever set piece the developer wants you to be in.
But if you are controlling the horse then I dont see a problem. That's already a step up for a David Cage game
I think, if I'm interpreting it right, it's seems to be showing that you have a very narrow path of control. It kind of looks like the game is redirecting the player when they hit invisible walls rather than the player swooping everything around. Would fit with the complaints that the game forces you down very specific paths.
unholyrevenger72
Banned
That's what i was thinking.
djplaeskool
Member
74 on metacritic more or less defines "mixed"
Raitosaito
Member
Well the real question is are you even controlling the horse in that section in that gif.
If all your controlling is the camera, then that alone sets it apart from Uncharted or Tomb Raider. In those games you may not be able to explore the scenery, but you certainly can control the action of your character in whatever set piece the developer wants you to be in.
But if you are controlling the horse then I dont see a problem. That's already a step up for a David Cage game
It's more like in that section can you manipulate anything? What makes David Cage's games his games is that section even when controlling a character has only few predictable outcomes. In let's say Uncharted or Tomb Raider you can shoot a barrel across a level, or just jump and kill your character at any moment. In beyond or Heavy Rain there is a define few paths, and that's what I think reviewers are trying to say but can't define.
But yeah, what's the point in the movement if everyone has the two or three same outcome predesign.
Set pieces are one thing, but complete rejection of the existence of the player is another.
Nothing is inherently wrong with this, but it is fair criticism.
Yeah, you are controlling the horse, though the player is also shifting the camera around in that gif. This scene is basically the worst looking part of the entire game to be honest.
And as for exploring the scenery
there's no reason to since the game's camera nearly always points you where you need to go next. There's nothing to explore for anyway
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Damn, looks like David Cage is his own worst enemy. All the ambition, none of the execution 
I like Jim Sterling, but his views on this game are totally different than mine.
I fully enjoyed the game, it was one of the best adventure games created in this generation of games, and I cant wait to see what QD will make on PS4.
People need to play Beyond, its quite the game.
I fully enjoyed the game, it was one of the best adventure games created in this generation of games, and I cant wait to see what QD will make on PS4.
People need to play Beyond, its quite the game.
Sorta Maximus
Member
I feel like watching the inevitable YouTube play through would give me 90% of the game experience. If not more.
dragonbane
Member
Should do alright. PS4 game will be made regardless, so they have another chance anyway.
Bit much to suggest a poor score is some sort of premeditated attack on the genre or the type of game?? (though reviews are obviously subjective)
Could it not be that the game just isn't THAT good, Heavy Rain was actually quite well received after all.
BadAss2961
Member
No surprise to see reviews on both ends of the scale for a QD game.
SuperSonic1305
Member
The majority of reviews are positive but those don't count guys.
maybe they just think it's bad
flyinpiranha
Member
It's extremely difficult to tell a story you have in mind while having somebody else control your character actions. Plus, most games have to reach for a lowest common denominator.
With that said, I agree. Sometimes I read some cringeworthy text and I think "why didn't they try and make this better?". I'm surprised more games don't try and get really great writers on board but I assume that is a cross-over we'll see when it starts happening a lot more, because it will.
I'd imagine cost is also a huge factor. The story/text is probably the last thing the budget allows for. I really do wish more games had stronger writing, but I understand the hurdles in place. Books, movie scripts, even music have a much more direct path to tell a story. You still have to make the game fun and allow for a sense of player involvement.
I thought Heavy Rain could have been done really well. But QTE ruins an experience for me. It takes me out of the intense "this guy has a knife to my throat" moment and just makes me laugh at the flashing X on the screen. Plus, when a game is based so heavily on the story, make it a good one. I really didn't enjoy the pacing nor the characters all that much.
Yes, I just hope it sells well enough so they can justify there time and effort into, same opinion here by far one of the best experiences this generation offered.
This is officially the first time I've ever agreed with Derrick.
David Cage should not be writing games. I enjoyed Fahrenheit (despite the poor writing) but despised Heavy Rain, and it sounds like this one is even worse (is such a thing even possible?).
I'm cool with him making games for people who enjoy them (even if I question your taste in storytelling), but I'm not cool with him being heralded as anything more than a poor writer.