Wow, he actually said it.
So... Why go next gen at all?
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Wow, he actually said it.
So... Why go next gen at all?
We shouldn't have to suffer because people are too cheap or don't want to upgrade.
Its a lot of different things, explains Jason Sussman who is the senior environment artist at Bungie. I could get really technical, but Id bore you to death. A lot has to do with performance. Were cross-platform, so we had to be very delicate with all four consoles, making sure they have the same experience, that it looks as good as it possibly can on all these consoles. A lot goes into that, from geometry to textures to post effects to particles to how many players you get on the screen. Were always balancing that out to make sure everyone gets the same experience,
I would prefer it if they had sacrificed native resolution for a higher framerate though.
Thanks. And now I'm a little bummed because I didn't notice that effect ;pThe lighting however, is identical.
5 platforms?not totally comparable when you have a single highly praised studio developing for 1 single platform, compared to a multiplat game being developed for 5 different platforms.
its 1080p/60 on current gen is a rarity.
not totally comparable when you have a single highly praised studio developing for 1 single platform, compared to a multiplat game being developed for 5 different platforms.
its 1080p/60 on current gen is a rarity.
Nothing else needs to be said i guess.
Seriously, some games just shouldn't be released on PS360 anymore, it hurts more than it helps, imo
Their official PR said the goal was maintaining 60 FPS which they will drop some time due to the unexpected nature of PS2 large scale battles.Planetside 2 is 30fps on PS4.
"Were cross-platform, so we had to be very delicate with all four consoles, making sure they have the same experience, that it looks as good as it possibly can on all these consoles."
Hmm...Seriously? Why would I want to buy a PS4 or a Xbox One for so called "next-gen" Destiny if I get "the same experience" on my 5 year old PS3?
Jesus Christ. Stop with this PR bullshit already. Please.
No, please get technical. I'm really bored by platitudes.
50 fps is worst then a locked 30. So is an unstable 60fps. AF takes maybe 2-3 fps max...not 30.
Ignoring 160 million console owners seems dumb to me.
But that's not what they're saying at all. They're saying that they wanted to make all the consoles, current and last gen, run the game on equal ground. They openly admitted to downgrading the current gen version so the last gen people wouldn't feel left out.They chose visuals instead of frame rate and the new consoles are too weak to run @60 fps with the graphics they were targeting...
Where are the news?
Isn't that just moving goal posts? And, no it's not a rarity. It'll be more common as we proceed through this not even 1 year old generation.
Were cross-platform, so we had to be very delicate with all four consoles, making sure they have the same experience
They're clearly not slavishly following this or else we wouldn't have 1080p. That, or last gen versions are going to be the technical marvels of the generation.No.
No.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Fuck every single thing about this.
At some point you have to cut out the older hardware, and there'll always be price drops on new consoles for people to jump in later on.This is so arrogant.
Maybe some people can't afford to spend £380 on a new console and game.
It will be sad when last gen (PS360) support ends but eventually it will have to in order to move forward.
Ignoring 160 million console owners seems dumb to me.
So cross gen is bringing the game down on current gen...
Please DO bore us with the details because those are the only things that actually matter. Otherwise, it just sounds like you don't even know what the details are and you just sound like a talking head.
At least he came out and said it...clears up that parity myth thread as well
So cross gen is bringing the game down on current gen...
You completely missed the point;
you say there is no way it was that the PS4 could do 60fps but the XB1 could only do 30 because the system power is not that big of a difference.
I said it might not be half the difference, but maybe XB1 was at 50, but (as you pointed out) 50 sucks so they'd have to drop it to 30. So instead of a 60fps PS4 and a 50FPS XB1 they decided on a 30FPS of both to keep them similar.
I am not quoting some exact FPS numbers here, I am just throwing out examples that show it didn't have to be 30 vs 60 difference to make them think 30 for both was the right move.
Well, there's some give and take on this. Last-gen sales have experienced a pretty steep drop for a lot of multiplats, and making sure the game can run on 2005/2006 hardware can be impose some limitations. It's not always about leaving money on the table.
They chose visuals instead of frame rate and the new consoles couldn't run @60 fps with the graphics they were targeting...
Where are the news?
Ignoring 160 million console owners seems dumb to me.
How many of those consoles are still active vs the migration to next gen?
Every NPD it looks like last gen is cratering with PS4/XB1 having 60-70% of software sales of the cross-gen games.
But isn't this thread focused on discussing the quote from the article? They're literally saying that the reason the game looks and runs the way it does on every console, is because they wanted to balance it out, and make it run and look similarly on current and last generation consoles.Im pretty sure that if they could get the game to 60 fps on PS4, they would have. I dont think it has anything to do with the XB1's limitations.
When youre playing in the Crucible, yeah, absolutely. Same thing when youre in a public space and a public events going off, with other players all running to one area thats blowing up. Everyones throwing their supers, tossing grenades. You talk about everything going off at once, thats where it happens.
Their official PR said the goal was maintaining 60 FPS which they will drop some time due to the unexpected nature of PS2 large scale battles.
You know that isn't true already? And E3 was just last week and they are already shown to be liars by BigTnaples.
Are you suggesting that NeoGAF is developing a theory because a Bungie employee literally came out and said something that you're ignoring?
Senior environment artist at Bungie.
Random kids on NeoGAF.
Cmon dude, who's in a position to tell who that they don't know the details?
How many of those consoles are still active vs the migration to next gen?
Every NPD it looks like last gen is cratering with PS4/XB1 having 60-70% of software sales of the cross-gen games.
Well, they plausibly could or else the initial plans for being Xbox exclusive were bullshit, but they don't really want to take that chance when they've already committed this much to getting to run on PS3/360. They'll just dump them for Destiny 2, I think that was the plan anyway.Moot point. Game is gonna cost half a billion after marketing. They're not gonna recoup that on a handful of PS4s and X1s.
I don't think so. Every time a developer learns how to unlock some more power of a given console, he puts it into higher fidelity graphics, or on PS360 we would have all games 720x60 by the end of the generation, but with graphics of the first year titles.
How many of those consoles are still active vs the migration to next gen?
Every NPD it looks like last gen is cratering with PS4/XB1 having 60-70% of software sales of the cross-gen games.