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[ChiefDada]

I'm glad John made the crucial point of identifying majority PC userbase working with low-midrange hardware. I've expressed similar sentiments in the past as it relates to the impact of upcoming PS5 Pro in the midst of GPU manufacturers pivoting to AI focus. We will see a benefit analysis swing more in favor for this generation's Pro console because of these underlying market dynamics.

Also hilarious to see Alex downplaying the impact of GTA VI and kudos again to John for calling him out on his BS.

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[Luipadre]

 

[Punished Miku]

It will absolutely work. Keep putting more stuff on PC Sony. It will massively pay off, trust me.

 

[64bitmodels]

Epic couldn't get us to use their storefront even with an exclusive Kingdom Hearts, Alan Wake and Fortnite, as well as free games being released on the weekly

we revolted and went batshit when Helldivers 2 asked for a simple sign in prompt for a free PSN account

and Microsoft's fucking gaming subscription service (that used to be 1 dollar) couldn't bring any of us to Xbox launcher.

But the PC gamers will totally spend 600 dollars to enter the PS5 ecosystem and pay 70 bucks for Sony games.

 

[FeralEcho]

At the rate they release PS5 games on PC they'll more likely convert PS5 players to PC lmao.

 

[BennyBlanco]

 

[Luipadre]

At the rate they release PS5 games on PC they'll more likely convert PS5 players to PC lmao.

 

[jwaxeman]

Sure why not

 

[Punished Miku]

In seriousness though, I'm sure lots of people already buy PC and console. I see them post about it on here.

Will that number massively change? Maybe, but doubtful. I think there's 4 games that could maybe be system sellers and that's honestly it.
Could be: Ghost of Tsushima 2, Naughty Dog new IP, Barlog new IP, GTA VI
Won't be: Venom, Spider Man 3, God of War, The Last of Us 3, Sony Bend GAAS, Astrobot, Fairgames, Horizon 3, Horizon LEGO, Horizon GAAS

It's not a huge list, but some people might pick up a system to play those 4 games.

 

[Laptop1991]

No, No it can't, not in any meaningful high numbers anyway.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

This guy nails it

 

[Nankatsu]

With their current output its more likely for me to move to PC and call it a day lmao.

 

[Schmendrick]

 

[Dr.Morris79]

But the PC gamers will totally spend 600 dollars to enter the PS5 ecosystem and pay 70 bucks for Sony games.

Don't forget PS+ too, even for backing up game saves

 

[Pop]

Nah very little if any

I own both a ps5 and pc. If all games were day 1 on pc from sony studios, I would not own the console

 

[Gaiff]

I'm glad John made the crucial point of identifying majority PC userbase working with low-midrange hardware.

It's cute when console gamers think this is relevant. The majority of PC players play on low to mid-range rigs because 99.99% of the games run just fine on those. Look at the most played titles on PC: CSII, DOTA, LoL, Fortnite, Minecraft, Roblox, lots of indie games and all that stuff. It's funny that PC players have this reputation for being obsessed with graphics when it's only a small subset who really care about top-tier hardware. Console players care much more about big graphics with big budgets as evidence by Sony being the premier provider of those.

The guys playing on low to mid-tier hardware ain't leaving PC to pay for online and play Uncharted 5. They'll remain on PC to play Counter-Strike and whatever indie fad catches fire.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

we revolted and went batshit when Helldivers 2 asked for a simple sign in prompt for a free PSN account

So you won a battle, but lost the war.
Sony still requires PSN accounts for GOWR and blocked GoT in non-PSN territories.

 

[LazyParrot]

It's funny that PC players have this reputation for being obsessed with graphics when it's only a small subset who really care about top-tier hardware. Console players care much more about big graphics with big budgets as evidence by Sony being the premier provider of those.

Probably a natural consequence of people basing their opinion of PC gamers as a whole on the ones that are active on console-centric boards like this one, which tend to be of the "I basically just want a faster console" variety.

 

[ChiefDada]

It's cute when console gamers think this is relevant. The majority of PC players play on low to mid-range rigs because 99.99% of the games run just fine on those. Look at the most played titles on PC: CSII, DOTA, LoL, Fortnite, Minecraft, Roblox, lots of indie games and all that stuff. It's funny that PC players have this reputation for being obsessed with graphics when it's only a small subset who really care about top-tier hardware. Console players care much more about big graphics with big budgets as evidence by Sony being the premier provider of those.

The guys playing on low to mid-tier hardware ain't leaving PC to pay for online and play Uncharted 5. They'll remain on PC to play Counter-Strike and whatever indie fad catches fire.

Like John mentioned in the video, I am not suggesting PC players will leave PC, we are saying they will buy into PS5 console (particularly PS5 Pro) because of GTA VI, market conditions of PC GPU space, and PS5 Pro being a much more effective upgrade than PS4 Pro. All of these factors combined will more PC players to jump in PS platform as a COMPLEMENTARY device for those who are typically PC only and a substitute only for those who prefer PC but are more cost conscious and want to be apart of the zeitgeist with generational releases.

 

[Bry0]

Convert? I doubt it. If you are PC primarily and haven’t bought a ps5 yet I doubt you will. At least not because of a Sony sad dad game like god of war. GTA 5 might do it.

 

[64bitmodels]

So you won a battle, but lost the war.
Sony still requires PSN accounts for GOWR and blocked GoT in non-PSN territories.

It's not about who won the war it's about the fact it happened in the first place.

The point I illustrated is that PC gamers are FUCKING PETTY. If you can't get them to use other launchers and you can't get them to sign in you are not going to be able to get them to pay 600 dollars for a PS5 Pro. It's delusional!!!

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It's cute when console gamers think this is relevant. The majority of PC players play on low to mid-range rigs because 99.99% of the games run just fine on those. Look at the most played titles on PC: CSII, DOTA, LoL, Fortnite, Minecraft, Roblox, lots of indie games and all that stuff. It's funny that PC players have this reputation for being obsessed with graphics when it's only a small subset who really care about top-tier hardware. Console players care much more about big graphics with big budgets as evidence by Sony being the premier provider of those.

The guys playing on low to mid-tier hardware ain't leaving PC to pay for online and play Uncharted 5. They'll remain on PC to play Counter-Strike and whatever indie fad catches fire.

33% of PS5 owners have never owned a PlayStation before.

Yeah, I’m guessing a lot of those are PC converts

 

[GymWolf]

They can introduce people to the sony gaming environment by having a sony store and releasing the games day one on pc, but they are not gonna make hardcore pc gamers to buy a ps5 for 3-4 titles per year (when we are lucky)

 

[TGO]

Not enough to be reported in rounded off numbers

 

[VAVA Mk2]

LOL no. Although I get consoles are great for multiple people in front of a TV for that kind of experience. PC will still be my main platform.

 

[adamsapple]

So you won a battle, but lost the war.
Sony still requires PSN accounts for GOWR and blocked GoT in non-PSN territories.

Looks like you still haven't figured out why people made such a fuss about it.

It wasn't just because of PSN requirement, it was because they tried to shoehorn it into a game that was selling for months without that requirement and would effect people who paid for the game.

 

[Schmendrick]

So you won a battle, but lost the war.
Sony still requires PSN accounts for GOWR and blocked GoT in non-PSN territories.

How is a Sony game not being available a "lost war"?
Last I checked we consumers aren't the ones losing money because our products aren't available...

I swear some people and their drama takes on trivialities ....

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

/end thread

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Seems like there are already a lot of PC players who own PlayStation consoles already.

 

[64bitmodels]

33% of PS5 owners have never owned a PlayStation before.

Yeah, I’m guessing a lot of those are PC converts

until they hold a survey and release splits, that's just speculation

There was this other green console that was a Playstation "competitor" that had a major falloff during the 8th gen. I'd imagine a much more significant portion of the converts are from that platform than anything

 

[SNG32]

The problem is Sony already has the majority of people that own a PC and PS5 already. I can’t see any single player game for PlayStation converting exclusively pc players to console. Usually that crowd are the ones that have a top tier gpu that surpasses a console in every way.

PC players don’t mind playing the waiting game. There’s plenty of games to play.

 

[Gaiff]

Like John mentioned in the video, I am not suggesting PC players will leave PC, we are saying they will buy into PS5 console (particularly PS5 Pro) because of GTA VI, market conditions of PC GPU space, and PS5 Pro being a much more effective upgrade than PS4 Pro. All of these factors combined will more PC players to jump in PS platform as a COMPLEMENTARY device for those who are typically PC only and a substitute only for those who prefer PC but are more cost conscious and want to be apart of the zeitgeist with generational releases.

Nah, they won't. You're also massively overestimating the immediate appeal of GTA VI. I'm sure a few people will get a console for this but everyone and their dog knows that it's coming to PC. They'll stick to PC and play GTA VI when it's available about 1 year after console. It won't move the needle in a significant way. Seems most have no idea what attracts the majority of the PC market, otherwise, they wouldn't suggest this.

33% of PS5 owners have never owned a PlayStation before.

Yeah, I’m guessing a lot of those are PC converts

I'm guessing a lot are Xbox converts which is far more likely.

 

[U n i o n 0015]

I don't think so. PC gamers are eating well and it's really no big deal for me to wait a couple of years to play the latest HBO, err, Sony game.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I'm guessing a lot are Xbox converts which is far more likely.

I think it’s reasonable that both would be included, I know far too many people with weak PCs that went PS5 this Gen

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It's not about who won the war it's about the fact it happened in the first place.

The point I illustrated is that PC gamers are FUCKING PETTY. If you can't get them to use other launchers and you can't get them to sign in you are not going to be able to get them to pay 600 dollars for a PS5 Pro. It's delusional!!!

That I don't necessarily disagree with. Especially the petty part.

But we already had some Gaffers say they considered jumping over to PS5 Pro in that thread about overpriced 40XX gpus, so there is likely a percentage of PC gamers that might move over (even if it's insignificant).

Then again, I never saw any need for a Pro to begin with.

Looks like you still haven't figured out why people made such a fuss about it.

It wasn't just because of PSN requirement, it was because they tried to shoehorn it into a game that was selling for months without that requirement and would effect people who paid for the game.

Prime example of a petty PC gamer.

 

[Clear]

They can introduce people to the sony gaming environment by having a sony store and releasing the games day one on pc, but they are not gonna make hardcore pc gamers to buy a ps5 for 3-4 titles per year (when we are lucky)

They aren't looking to court the hardcore. Its a pitch for the casual market.

 

[Hrk69]

I hear it runs games @8k/60fps

I'm ditching PC ASAP

 

[adamsapple]

Prime example of a petty PC gamer.

Did you just call me a PC gamer?

 

[Edgelord79]

Not in any meaningful numbers. Would take a crisis of the faith for that to happen. More like getting people to buy Sony hardware in addition to PC.

 

[GymWolf]

They aren't looking to court the hardcore. Its a pitch for the casual market.

What do you mean? casual pc gamers?

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

I have a PS5 and a PC. Some of my friends own both, some don't. Those that haven't bought a PS5 yet due to having all games they want on PC will hardly buy a PS5 due to more games appearing on their PC.

 

[Gaiff]

I think it’s reasonable that both would be included, I know far too many people with weak PCs that went PS5 this Gen

So we're supposed to believe that everyone is flocking to PlayStation? Right.

 

[Taycan77]

It's time to acknowledge most PC gamers are using s***boxes that struggle to match a PS4 nevermind a PS5(Pro).

I don't know why some in the the PC community (presumably those with expensive high-end machines) have such an issues with the idea PC gamers will pick up a PS5.

With PS5 Pro and tech like PSSR and frame-gen we are quickly reaching the point where there will be no discernible difference between titles on the console and high-end PC.

The niche of a niche post on forums like this but they don't represent the wider PC community. Sony have the hard data and market analysis - forum posters don't.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Did you just call me a PC gamer?

I would've called you a salty Xbox fan, but then you always start rambling about your PC and how you're "platform-agnostic".

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

So we're supposed to believe that everyone is flocking to PlayStation? Right.

I never said everyone was.

I just said it’s not unreasonable to think that Sony can convince some PC users to their platform. It’s probably millions of people, based on the 33% figure. Half of that is likely from PC, so 10M is nothing to sniff at

 

[Gaiff]

It's time to acknowledge most PC gamers are using s***boxes that struggle to match a PS4 nevermind a PS5(Pro).

I don't know why some in the the PC community (presumably those with expensive high-end machines) have such an issues with the idea PC gamers will pick up a PS5.

With PS5 Pro and tech like PSSR and frame-gen we are quickly reaching the point where there will be no discernible difference between titles on the console and high-end PC.

The niche of a niche post on forums like this but they don't represent the wider PC community. Sony have the hard data and market analysis - forum posters don't.

And you're clearly showing you have no understanding of the PC market because you think the main reason they game on PC is performance. Hint: It isn't and has never been.

 

[AmuroChan]

PC and console gaming aren't mutually exclusive. I'm sure a lot of people here own both a PC and a PS5. Sony's goal shouldn't be to convert, but rather to entice PC-only gamers to also game on consoles.

 

[Gaiff]

I never said everyone was.

I just said it’s not unreasonable to think that Sony can convince some PC users to their platform. It’s probably millions of people, based on the 33% figure. Half of that is likely from PC, so 10M is nothing to sniff at

If we're just going to make up numbers, I can do that too. 90% are from Xbox users, 9% from Switch users, and 1 % from PC users.

 

[adamsapple]

I would've called you a salty Xbox fan, but then you always start rambling about your PC and how you're "platform-agnostic".

Then there's your problem. You're looking at the Helldivers 2 PSN requirement thing strictly from the lens of your PS loyalty glasses.

Notice how no one's given a shit about any game requiring PSN from day 1 that they've announced since then. The requirement wasn't the bigger issue, it was how they tried to enforce it.

A salty Xbox fan can see it, you should too.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

If we're just going to make up numbers, I can do that too. 90% are from Xbox users, 9% from Switch users, and 1 % from PC users.

The 33% number is not made up.

PC is a far bigger user base than Xbox ever was, so only giving them half of that is generous. Its likely a lot higher that come from pc then Xbox