Why not though?, 20nm Tegra X1 runs at 1Ghz in a mobile device with passive cooling. A 16nm Tegra X2 could very feasibly clock higher.
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DF: Nintendo NX Powered By Nvidia Tegra! Initial Spec Analysis
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Why not though?, 20nm Tegra X1 runs at 1Ghz in a mobile device with passive cooling. A 16nm Tegra X2 could very feasibly clock higher.
Would be cool if it ran Android and was a phone. That way users get access to eShop and Play Store. So you get all of the new Nintendo releases, all the Virtual Console games, Nintendo's mobile games, and everything on the play store. Plus its your phone. Although I guess Virtual Console becomes irrelevant as emulators are on Android and with dedicated controls people wont bother paying.
Dr. Zoidberg
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Third party on mobile, or rather they will go all-in on mobile. I don't expect them to publish Neo games like people are hoping.
Gamer @ Heart
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I'm sure they did speak to developers as far as tools and more. But that doesn't magically mean the publishers who actually pay for those games to be made see business sense in supporting it like the other 2.
And Nintendo writing checks for ports that aren't exclusive is some way is not a possibility. As soon as one publisher wonders why they aren't getting paid to port something and another company did, everything collapses.
ethomaz
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If you use cartridges the bandwidth is not that needed because cartridges works like a new memory pool added to the system... so you will have the cartridges bandwidth plus the memory bandwidth to work.
That is why you have little to no loadtime with cartridges... because in easy terms it makes all the assets available already in the memory (cartridge).
SmokedMeat
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I can't see that happening, but including that feature would get me to consider an NX purchase.
MrCunningham
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I agree that Sony and MS are competing on the same grounds for the attention of the same consumer base. I do also think that consumers do care about "horsepower" if it falls within their budgets and can make game X on console A look better than game X on console B. It does also come down to what system is popular with the general circle of people around you... and the system with the biggest library. It is also very true that Nintendo has been trying to carve their own avenues in the game industry so they don;t have to compete with Sony and Microsoft on the same playing field. It worked with the Wii, and it failed with the Wii-U.
The Wii-U was never an impressive system from a hardware point of view, even at launch it was a mixed bag in comparison to what the Xbox 360 and PS3 could offer. In some ways it was better with it's newer GPU and feature sets, in other ways it was worse with its CPU performance. The price point and the initial confusion over the Wii-U being a new system or just an accessory didn't help the system gain any footing either.
The PowerPC hardware turned off a lot of third party developers and stunted growth within the indie scene as it limited developers to rely on Unity Engine.
The Wii-U had a really bad identity crisis that wasn't helped at all by droughts of software and a price point that looked less appealing than the two other consoles on the market. The system still has its gems, but Nintendo really botched things when trying to appeal to the right markets.
I agree that the market is bigger than NeoGaf, but consumers can still be swayed by popular opinion that can seep out of web forums like NeoGAF or communities like Reddit.
StrongBlackVine
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Oh well I guess that is it then. I wanted like the NX, but I'm not buying what they are offering just to play Zelda and maybe Metroid if they actually decided to make a decent one.
Indeed. Impressive for a handheld!
SmokedMeat
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Good luck getting that Wii market back. They're entrenched in the land of not paying for dedicated game boxes, and playing free games.
Maintenance
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I've heard this "console gaming on the go! That's fantastic!" bullshit before, and it won't work with a large part of the market. If this thing ends up selling it will be because of Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter, etc. Unifying the developing teams will be good but "console gaming on the go" just won't work.
The price is also crucial, if this thing is 300 then it will be DOA.
The price is also crucial, if this thing is 300 then it will be DOA.
Cartridges are no good for feeding the GPU you suggested. They are at least an order of magnitude slower than even DDR3.
if it had Gamestream and GRID, i think that'd definitely help cure some of its 3rd party issues. For PC gamers with Nvidia cards anyhow.
DonMigs85
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Plus the old ROM cartridges in the N64 era seemed relatively faster and that system had much less RAM to fill - there will likely be some degree of loading on NX depending on the game
pinkurocket
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The more I think about it, the more I realise this could really be a big hit. I now understand the quotes saying this could become huge mainstream, as well as appeal to more traditional gamers. The NX kinda hits a unique middle point that will appeal to a big audience, coupled with Nintendo being able to release all their games on one device rather than split between console and handheld. Sure it hasn't got the specs, but while other consoles are playing a catch-up race with their mid-generation hardware updates, Nintendo once again does their own thing and I feel it might actually work. If they play their cards right. (pricing, marketing etc)
They specifically said they wanted games to be ready for NX's launch as the reason for launching next year. Making it about securing an entirely new GPU for mass production early next year is farfetched.
SmokedMeat
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I can see a $299 launch price.
Elfforkusu
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16nm is clearly the way to go (power. It's always about power consumption with Nintendo), and might explain the delay to 2017 as well given the slow spin up of the 16nm 1070/1080.
ethomaz
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It depends the bus used to connect the cartbridge and of course the read speeds of the cartbridge... today we have tech faster for that.
Proelite
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X1 also uses 15W - 20W? in 1GHZ.
X2 can bring down that TDP to 5-10W and still have 512 gigaflops in a tablet form.
If you have a laptop it probably runs in reduced performance mode while running off the battery to increase battery length. When you plug it in it doesn't need to conserve battery power.
Why would dev kids need a heatsink and a fan, though? Unless Nintendo is pulling an OG Shield!
AFAIK its Fujitsu FCRAM.
BurgerDicks
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Lets hope for that X2
DonMigs85
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Sent to die unless the initial games have REALLY GOOD mass market appeal.
Nintendo says a lot of things is the problem. By all accounts Nintendo denied everything being discussed right now.
I'm not even talking about loading. What he suggested was an estimate of a 1.5 TF GPU (running at full blast), how is one going to get a 100+ GBps bus to feed such a beast efficiently?
Apple feeds its monsters by providing relatively sizable on die memory. They could do the same here, but this will certainly increase costs. Apple has the margins to do that, does Nintendo?
Graphics Horse
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I doubt it will use cartridges in that sense, more like the game cards in DS onwards where any data needs reading to ram via a file system.
Why would it not? If they want any other components in the thing besides a GPU.
ethomaz
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Which option is better than Tegra for what they wish to accomplish?
OrbitalBeard
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I bet it wouldn't be. They'd be fighting for scraps at that point. It'd be a horrible move on their part and it's a good thing they aren't going in that direction.
A lot of GAF users tend to project their personal feelings onto the entire market. What you and other enthusiasts want does not represent the rest of the world in many cases.
Elfforkusu
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Dev kit would need heatsink and fan if it's using an older chip at a higher clock to achieve the same performance the production version will get at lower temps.Why would dev kids need a heatsink and a fan, though? Unless Nintendo is pulling an OG Shield!
SmokedMeat
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Mass market? I'm thinking Nintendo fans will be willing to drop $299. Let's not get carried away with mass market talk. This is a Nintendo console after all.
Tegra actually delivers nowadays. It ain't underpowered.
Will simply wait till the septemeber reveal (if there's any) just to comment something about this since I'm not that much of a techy guy.
I did
Classic Nintendo is doomed/should go third party comment fest.
I did
Classic Nintendo is doomed/should go third party comment fest.Huh?
Why is everyone so bent on having NX in the same 'ball park' as Xbone and PS4? Those consoles launched as under powered consoles nearly 3 years ago.... I wouldn't be hanging my hat on the NX achieving that level of power. I'd rather Nintendo just make a prettier more comfortable to use 3DS they aren't getting 3rd party multi-plat games like PS4/Xbone anyway. The Wii U had a pretty average library and the 3DS was better in almost every aspect. Being able to play the same games with better graphical fidelity on a TV with a proper controller is enough to get me in.
StrongBlackVine
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Wii U did nothing to court hardcore gamers. Underpowered, gimmick controls, etc.
This is a mobile device, you're not looking at M.2 SSDs in Raid 0 speeds.
What you're looking at is at best (and expensive) SD UHS2 speeds, quite fast but not nearly fast enough for that GPU you proposed.
Elfforkusu
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Tegra is a SoC design, in case that's not clear.
StrongBlackVine
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Yeah that doesn't support that Xbox One is selling well. It's not.
Sure. But you also have to have the right memory with enough bandwidth to utilize that GPU power. LPDDR4 isn't near current GDDR5 speeds. HBM is too expensive.
Yes I too like to be racist and sexist and generally rude without consequence.
As i said to someone before, i'm dumb on technical matters, thanks for the explanation
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