Horse Armour
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If they wanted to counter Sony it would be a lot more effective to just stick a more powerful GPU in there and it would make a much bigger difference than just a faster CPU.
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DF: Orbis vs Durango Spec Analysis
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Sorc3r3r
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Can Crusher
Banned
Always online has been known for a week now. I was talking about this
Relax about what lol? It's good news...no?
BruiserBear
Banned
I'm getting a little tired of these "sources" posts myself. Can't help but think 90% of it is utter bullshit being made up, or speculation that any of us could come up with.
Unless you're going to be specific, just shut up.
I'm not sure if this has been covered, but if online is always on and you have to have Kinect, could MS be monitoring you in your home?
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2012/03/your_kinect_is_spying_on_you.php
http://www.digital-digest.com/news-63520-Xbox-Patent-Use-Kinect-To-Spy-On-Users.html
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2012/03/your_kinect_is_spying_on_you.php
http://www.digital-digest.com/news-63520-Xbox-Patent-Use-Kinect-To-Spy-On-Users.html
No they wont. You have to be a massive conspiracy nut to think people wouldn't hack and figure out where streams of information are going and lead to the death of the Xbox brand through the government getting on their asses. If Instagram loses half of it's daily activity by changing their ToS to include shady shit, Xbox serves to lose more. If anything, it will be a Customer Experience Improvement or whatever program that you can opt-into, that exists on Windows 8 and other products I can't recall ATM.
Shit keeps getting bleaker and bleaker.
2 cores for the OS ? That means that no matter what the devs can't have access to them ?
They will only have 6 cores to work with ?
3gb of RAM reserved for OS is true as well ? What could potentially warrant such amount ?
I'm disappointed. a 6 core CPU and 5gb of ram available to devs sounds depressing...
Miles Quaritch
Member
I actually can't wait to see how Microsoft will sell the no used games aspect of the console. How do you even begin to approach this in a way that won't immediately put off a medium to large segment of the potential user-base?
I've mulled over a few ways and to me at least, there doesn't seem to be an overly positive way to spin this without claiming games will be cheaper.
I could possibly see them making digital games cheaper by perhaps taking a smaller cut of the pie from each game sold, but how much would that realistically lower the cost by? $5? $10?
I've mulled over a few ways and to me at least, there doesn't seem to be an overly positive way to spin this without claiming games will be cheaper.
I could possibly see them making digital games cheaper by perhaps taking a smaller cut of the pie from each game sold, but how much would that realistically lower the cost by? $5? $10?
bgassassin
Member
At this point nothing that hasn't already been shared.
You weren't supposed to notice that. >_>
Yeah, PS4 shouldn't have the same level of requirements for audio that Xbox 3 has.
I would say that more of a general performance improvement on the CPU. Kinect/audio has their own dedicated hardware.
This wouldn't be a late answer, and could explain why, according to Sweetvar's info I believe, AMD sat Sony aside for a moment to focus on MS.
BrainZEROX
Member
Maybe not MS. It's not that they have a great sense of ethics but the legal consequences of abusing such feature would hit them hard to the wallet so we are safe from MS's eyes and hears.
But you have to wonder if that couldn't be hacked. It happened not so long ago after all:
http://news.techworld.com/security/...bcams-open-to-remote-spying-researcher-finds/
I don't want to be too paranoid about that but... Things look safe until they aren't.
Anyway I don't like the idea of cameras constantly looking at me in order to catch a movement or an order from me. I'm a geek like everyone here but I like my buttons and I like my remote. If MS and Sony both come with cam controls, I hope it's optional because the first thing I'll do is trying to deactivate this stuff. Maybe I'm getting paranoid now but I plan to put obstacles in front of the dual PS4 cams if there's no option no deactivate them permanently...
2 cores for the OS ? That means that no matter what the devs can't have access to them ?
They will only have 6 cores to work with ?
3gb of RAM reserved for OS is true as well ? What could potentially warrant such amount ?
I'm disappointed. a 6 core CPU and 5gb of ram available to devs sounds depressing...
And you are basing your in-depth analysis leading to this depression on what exactly? The alignment of the planets?
That's because mobile games cost about 10-20 times less than retail console games. And it's not just about used games, but borrowing and lending them too.
So much for that overhyped 4 GB RAM advantage... sounds like a lot of this stuff has little to do with pushing gaming forward.
gaming_noob
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what is ' pushing gaming foward' to you?
Not Kinect, Siri, multitasking so you can keep netflix open, getting rid of used games and forcing everyone online.
BrainZEROX
Member
Background tasks such as serving another user simultaneously. That could be your sister streaming photos on its surface tablet or using an app while you're playing. That would be consistent with MS's entertainment server approach. video on demand would be a service, social sharing would be a service and gaming would be too. MS is just capping the resources allocated to each services, gaming getting a 5GB ram plus 6 cores cap. Just my 2 cents...
gaming_noob
Member
those features are likely optional (except forced online). What's not to like about new ways of playing for some games? Isn't that the defintion of 'pushing gamin forward'?
StealthGoblin
Banned
That looks pretty bleak for me. On a personal level, the only non-gaming function I use my consoles for is Netflix so all of this OS stuff is totally lost on me. No BC is also a dampener (for both Durango and Orbis), no used games is an issue for me (even though I buy all my games new) because I share games with my brother. Not having the ability to freely swap games with him will cut down our purchasing by a significant percentage.
bgassassin
Member
2 cores for the OS ? That means that no matter what the devs can't have access to them ?
They will only have 6 cores to work with ?
3gb of RAM reserved for OS is true as well ? What could potentially warrant such amount ?
I'm disappointed. a 6 core CPU and 5gb of ram available to devs sounds depressing...
Depressing would have been one of the last words I would have used. I think it's pretty powerful considering retail cost limits.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Wouldn't AMD have separate teams working on the CPUs? I can't believe AMD would sideline Sony for months while working solely for their competitor.
Or if they did, AMD would have to have sweetened the deal for Sony somehow.
Early rumours (From brain_stew IIRC) state that Sony were going with 4 Steamroller cores. If AMD couldn't deliver for whatever reason, The compensation to Sony was they'd have to wait months while they finished with Microsoft's CPU design?
Or if they did, AMD would have to have sweetened the deal for Sony somehow.
Early rumours (From brain_stew IIRC) state that Sony were going with 4 Steamroller cores. If AMD couldn't deliver for whatever reason, The compensation to Sony was they'd have to wait months while they finished with Microsoft's CPU design?
BruiserBear
Banned
How sure are you about no backwards compatibility?
Because I will be stunned if that ends up being true. Stunned.
More than likely just wishful thinking posters.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Why not Kinect and Siri? Why not multitasking so, for instance, I can play a game while I wait for my opponent to make his move in another turn-based title?
gaming_noob
Member
that's not pushing gaming forward, whatever that means.
After seeing the youtube vids of Crysis 3 on the 360 I now have no doubt that the next gen will be a substantial leap.All I want now is that the machines are similar enough in performance that the exclusives and services become the deciding factor in purchase and the publishers have a large market to sell their games to.
bgassassin
Member
It was me misremembering a quote I didn't see and only saw people talk about it. I believe this might be Sweetvar's original quote about it.
So far I trust what I was told. The high-level guy from EA did talk about this to an extent for both consoles. We'll see eventually.
Not good news for some here.
BruiserBear
Banned
So was that guy's quote your "source"? lol
I see a lot of execs say stuff that isn't entirely true. For example, we already know Sony is now going to have some form of backwards compatibility via streaming.
Why would you be stunned? MS doesn't have the utter technical impossibility Sony is facing, but it's still not possible to emulate a tri-core 3.2 GHz PPC architecture on eight 1.6 GHz Jaguar cores.
Oppo
Member
It's weird how people think the Xbox was closer to x86 or something. I suppose because of DirectX.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
OK. That quote though seems contradictory. The PS4 chip was sent out 2 months before Xbox but is 6 months delayed. But the Xbox chip is right on time? Weird.
BruiserBear
Banned
Because I figured Microsoft would see the value in making it happen, one way or another.
For starters because it's just an unpleasant turnoff for early adopters, who are typically the most hardcore. I'd rather not have to keep my 360 around to play those old games. All my digital purchases disappear with the old console? I'm sure that'll win over a lot of people to the digital download side!
Second, this is the first gen we're transitioning from post gamertags, achievements, etc. I can still see my achievements from Halo 4, but I can't play it? Kinda messy in that regard, and just reminds people those games are left behind.
Third, Microsoft made developers follow their API's so firmly it's been expected that was to make backwards compatibility easier on the next console.
Yes, I will most definitely be shocked if they don't make it happen. At the very least offer an affordable accessory option for those who want it.
If no used games are a reality, and there is no backwards compatibility at the Durango launch, Microsoft is going to be starting out with one hand tied behind their back.
bgassassin
Member
LOL. No I heard about that in regards to Xbox 3 beforehand.
Could be the case.
Yeah. It seems like there's some context missing when looking at the quote itself.
Those 2 points sound like steam and you know how everyone hates steam.
Glorified G
Member
Steam works offline. It's funny that the people who try to rationalize these rumors by comparing it to steam have clearly never used steam before.
Miles Quaritch
Member
You can start in offline mode now? I thought you had to be online and then go into offline mode from there.
Glorified G
Member
I have done it plenty of times. If you're having any issues. Go here.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=486912
Miles Quaritch
Member
This is brilliant news. Thank you!!!
CadetMahoney
Member
My guesses are:
720p upscaled to 1080p common in most games
30 > 60fps for that cinematic feel common in most games
Don't they have corporate spies and also once the dev kits are in dev hands someone will spill the beans on specs anyway. So assuming 3rd party devs are developing games at this moment it's a good prediction that they know what each has to offer at this point in time.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
Always online means I can't play in my room. Then again it most likely has built in Wi-Fi.
My guess is that Microsoft will only require always-on internet connection in markets where broadband internet has a large penetration like in the US and certain European markets/Japan. MS will probably just remove features that require always-on internet like the Xbox Siri in order to sell it in other markets.