Out of curiosity, What's the difference between calling a console "4k console" and a "true 4k console"?
Essentially the same statement if you ask me. Sony refer to the Pro as a "4k console". Scorpio a "true 4k console", all means the same thing.
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Out of curiosity, What's the difference between calling a console "4k console" and a "true 4k console"?
Essentially the same statement if you ask me. Sony refer to the Pro as a "4k console". Scorpio a "true 4k console", all means the same thing.
Difference is upscaled maybe?
I have more the feeling Phil says True 4K to steer away from the Upscaled 4K on the Xbox One S. To make clear the differnce.
Because its coming from Phil Spencer. Someone in his position should know better...IMO.
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Oh that makes sense actually.
So basically, you will never see any up-scaling to 4K on the Scorpio, it'll either be dynamic, checkerboard or native.
There's your difference to the Pro. Let's go with that one.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Random question that might of been answered.
I saw that list of 60 games or so that will run in 4K on Xbox ONe X, but was that list of Native 4k Games, and did Microsoft ever say on stage that Crackdown 3 and Sea of Thieves will be in native 4k?
It seems odd they pushed it so hard with forza 7 but not the others?
Am I overthinking it?
I saw that list of 60 games or so that will run in 4K on Xbox ONe X, but was that list of Native 4k Games, and did Microsoft ever say on stage that Crackdown 3 and Sea of Thieves will be in native 4k?
It seems odd they pushed it so hard with forza 7 but not the others?
Am I overthinking it?
Ark
Is this true?
Difference is not just res. It's graphics also. You'll see high settings for Xbox One X while pro run med to low settings
Just like Ark 60fps with larger draw distance, higher res textures, more poly models compared to 30fps base console settings on pro
Resident_UA
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No, but does it matter. Each of these threads end up being people defending marketing decisions.
The only guaranteed native 4K games will be first party titles. So yes, crackdown and SoT will be native. They've said countless times that 3rd party games are at the developer's discretion hence checkerboard for AC. That list of 60 games will be a varied bunch of 4K offerings.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Just trying to be clear here, when you say varied 4K offerings, you are saying different types of rendering techniques like checkboarding etc?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I haven't skimmed through the entire topic but based on OP it seems like this is 4K with checker boarding. Syndicate on PS4 Pro was 1800p with Checker boarding.
If they're using the same config as Syndicate for the Pro version, it should be 1800p checker boarded while the Xb X version is 2160p with CB. That's all I meant.
edit: Syndicate on Pro is 1620p CC. Not 1800p. My bad.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Isn't Syndicate 1620p checkboarding?
Fuck it the term is bollocks.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, checked the pro enhancements topic just now, that's my bad.
Not really, he's been saying many times that Native 4K is a design decision and he's not gonna force any third party company to do it. This game is not running at console settings, its running at high PC settings which is probably why they couldn't hit the Native 4k target. Thats something the devs chose. Who's to say that they couldn't have a lowered the settings and got Native 4k?
Fact of the matter is, this console is very well equipped to deliver Native 4k in the majority of its games if they chose to stick XB1 and PS4 settings. Are we really gonna attack Phil every time a dev decides they are gonna choose graphic effects over resolution? Seems unreasonable.
Did AC even start to market? What's embarrassing about it.
SEGAvangelist
Member
I wanna feel true power.
What's AC when you have Ark?
I'm talking about how MS are attempting to market the X in general, not AC. It makes compromises for the hardware unfair for how they have hyped the thing up as a 'no compromise' machine with their terrible buzzwords and catch phrases.
The machine will have to make sacrifices at points, just not as many as Pro and not as often.
Tripolygon
Banned
No it doesn't.
Why? you might ask
Because when you play a game that is less than 4K on Scorpio on a 4K TV, it will be upscaled to 4K. That and Phil said this
Welcome to reason, that's all we've been saying all along.
Almost unfair.
Fear nothing.
Pixel purity.
Feel true power.
Terrifying clarity.
Feel every pixel.
All thrills.
To me, that's cringeworthy marketing. Others may find it inspiring, I don't know.
This thread has been a joy to read so far haha. Ya'll gon get this "fakeK/fauxK/etc" and love it. Cause it's actually a more efficient solution for these mid gen consoles.
It's gonna be fun as hell watching the same people making fun of checkerboard rendering come around and embrace it now after they get a taste on their X.
It's gonna be fun as hell watching the same people making fun of checkerboard rendering come around and embrace it now after they get a taste on their X.
LEDsForEyes
Member
That can't be right. Pretty sure most games are checkboarding. But... I have just as much evidence for my claim as you do yours so who knows?
GHG
Member
Again you seem to be incapable of reading the information provided. To avoid repeating myself again this is what I said in this very thread in reference to my first post in that thread:
And no, I shouldn't have to explain my every single post regarding Forza to you. I have put almost 100 hours into each Forza game this generation and have purchased every single ultimate edition/expansion pack and piece of DLC.
So as such; I'm allowed to have an opinion, I'm allowed to feel burnt out if I feel there is only more of the same coming, I'm allowed to have a love/hate relationship with the game, I'm allowed to critique the games where I see fit. in addition, as somebody who owns a gaming PC as well as an Xbox One I am allowed to excersise the option to purchase the game on the PC since that option is also open to me (why you are attempting to frame that as some sort of negative thing I will never know).
What I won't allow is for you to roll out posts containing selective and false information framed in a way to make it seem like I'm Xbox's public enemy number one. If you deem all of the above to be "shitting on the game" (it's not by the way) then so be it, but I'm not going to sugar coat things just to ensure your feelings don't get hurt. If you can't handle constructive criticism against your favourite company and the games they produce then that is your problem, nobody else's, and to be frank, it's something that you should attempt to deal with internally instead of mud slinging.
rokkerkory
Member
Some of these responses are pretty embarrassing. This is up for devs to decide how to use the power. This engine for AC: Origins isn't made from ground up for the pro / 1X anyways.
MilkyJoe
Member
A year where you are not getting 60fps in a console because the only CPU available is the jaguar. You wanted a 600+ console instead?
I mean it's marketing and good buzz words. I dunno...
3rdamention
Member
NBA 2k17 went from 1080p on PS4 to native (not checkerboard) 4k on PS4Pro.. You may want to edit that post.
Jaguar Victory
Member
Are we really concerned about a game on a system that's 5 months from release? They may get to 4K when it's all said and done. They may keep CB to maximize elsewhere. I'll just wait for the final release DF comparison.
Getting mad about basic marketing is silly.
Getting mad about basic marketing is silly.
Indeed. This is just silly. The implementation is fantastic and genuinely looks native in most situations. The hate in regards to this type of rendering baffles me. It's a good way to get solid results with a reduced performance cost. MS never promised native 4K for every game - it's up to devs.
Jaguar Victory
Member
100% this
Not to mention Phil has said it over and over again it's up to the Dev how they use the power.
LukasTaves
Member
What an argument on another thread has to do with what's being discussed on this thread? This thread is about people telling what people say it's a lie.
And how it's non sense when it's precisely the point of why isn't a lie?
Let's try it from a different point of view:
- Ps4 Pro can't take this game at Xbox One settings, and bring to native 4k
- Xbonex likely can (perhaps no way to know for sure with this game, but other evidence like what other games are doing, and the savings from going native to checkerboard on other Pro games).
- We are saying that they are the same when one console needs to do checkerboard to deliver a 4k game, whereas the other checkerboard is needed to deliver higher quality settings at 4k. Do you see the difference?
- On another words, we still haven't seen the Pro version, but if it follows the trend of other Ubi games, even the older ACs that got patched, we are looking at a resolution increase to 1800c and little to no further enhancements. If that's the case than this game is delivering a higher performance delta than Xbone>Ps4 ever had. And that's a game they only had weeks with the xbonex devkits, who aren't even final btw.
So let me ask again, how exactly does this game proves Phil was lying?
Which 900p ps4 game reached 2160c on Pro?
Wait till you show everyone how much better Xbox One X looks over the pro
Pro will just be base PS4 settings while Xbox One X having superior textures, effects, poly count, performance, draw distance, etc
Norse
Member
That doesn't matter to GAF. It has to be done a specific way to look that good in order for it to be accepted. Shit, 90% of the negative posts didn't even watch the video I bet.
AngelOFDeath
Member
There's absolutely nothing wrong with checkerboard rendering for 4K, and I hope Microsoft understands that WE are ok with that. But their messaging is definitely whats unfortunate due to the fact that Sony's console is doing it, but they aren't competitors right....
Yup face off will make some people here go mad lol
CassidyIzABeast
Member
It might as well be 2020 because you'll be paying $400/$500 for the same 4k or less 30fps prioritized games when the PS5 and Nextbox launch.
MS has no control what devs do with the power of the X. Do you seriously want Phil to watch over every single game. You are being silly.
Your reason was that the PS4 Pro was also a "true 4K" console, so don't give me that shit.
RedlineRonin
Member
What's your take on how "portable" these checkerboarding solutions are across Pro and One X? Is it as simple as moving the solution over from Pro to One X and moving the slider up a few notches so you're going to, say, 2160c instead of 1800c?
From the DF Pro write up I couldn't discern how exclusive the checkerboarding solution is to the Pro (and vice versa for One X)
They didn't have to promise 4K for every game in order have embarrassing marketing John. Don't defend that.
Had we had less of buzzwords and more down to earth ads, people would not be reacting like this(of course with the Pro's fauxK mocking, maybe not)
People have to be realistic about Scorpio's power. That is in regards to what it can do in regards to FPS(no, marketing deals did not make Destiny 2 30fps) and resolution(yes, Scorpio will have to make compromises too)