Do you really believe they are gonna release a Mario game that's not 60fps?
The hyperbole is real in this thread.
Mario will only need 50GFlops anyway so it'll be all good
Do you really believe they are gonna release a Mario game that's not 60fps?
The hyperbole is real in this thread.
How many GFLOPS does this image contain?
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People shouldn't compare Switch hardware to phones and even tablets.
None of the two types of devices are supposed to run max loads for hours.
The actual Digital Foundry video where this information first came from said it kind of compares to an iPhone 6S.
You could say Nintendo could lose billions in profit potential not releasing Zelda on PS4 and Pokémon Sun on iOS/Android. It all depends on how well the Switch sells.See, arm chair analysts always come in and try to make this point, but no. There is no guarantee they would suddenly be able to destroy. They would still be competing with every other company in the market for people's time and money, while losing billions in the revenue and profit potential of selling hardware and software in their own eco system.
A third party Nintendo would be run completely differently and that's not a Nintendo I want to see.
You claim they can't compete in the AAA market or console market, and yet your solution is to jump in directly into that market.
I hope this will at least be cheap as dirt.
Especially since i only play at home, and i'd buy this just as a paywall to play their damn first party games.
Honestly, at this stage, I just want Nintendo to go third-party. People tend to want Nintendo's games much more than thier consoles.
There's almost no way for them to compete in the console space anymore - certainly not in the mainstream, AAA market - but if they were focus thier time and energy releasing thier games on PS4, X1 and PC they'd clean up - they'd destroy.
And all those fence sitters like me, who spent the last four years almost buying a WiiU but never quite being able to justify it to themselves, would buy three or four Ninty titles a year.
Well, in undocked mode, it's inferior in max processing than the Adreno 530 in the SD820, but equal or slightly better at sustained (due to that ventilator inside the tablet). In docked mode it's basically on par with the iPad Pro (though evidently higher sustained throughput due to the active cooling dock, meaning no throttling whatsoever).It's not even good as a mid range tablet, let alone keeping up with the likes of iPhone 7.
Two questions:
- What are those 2/3/4 SM that everyone seems to be talking to?
- And, what about the RAM campared with PS4?, could it be a bottleneck too?
I'm still trying to figure out who is going to buy this apart from die hard Nintendo fans.
Probably somewhere between 100-200 GFLOPS. At the reveal video the games were running at 20ish FPS which is terrible IMO
The new Mario game is going to be pretty hard to discern, since games like 3D World targeted and maintained a rock-solid 60fps without dipping, so there was evidently visual splendour "spare" but the developers absolutely wanted to target 60fps.
Sunshine and 64 targeted 30fps and mostly stayed there, but they had much larger, more bustling worlds and focused more on scale and sandbox-like gameplay. I'd say Sunshine is still more technically advanced in some aspects than even Mario 3D World, like LOD, draw distance, having water as an actual polygonal mesh/moving surface instead of a flat one, stuff like that.
A lot of people don't seem to understand the reason why a lot of us are disappointed. Not because it's not PS4 level, but because yesterday the worst case scenario based on what we knew was that it would be an unmodified X1. Info in devkits said that, Nvidia said it was based on their most powerful graphic cards... A lot of people were expected something reasonably powerful.
But if it's way below an X1, then the Switch isn't that special compared to a lot of devices in the market. Sure it's Nintendo, but with this thing being barely more powerful than the Wii U you can kiss goodbye the dream of ambitious games like Breath of the Wild running better, looking better, and being technically relevant. Say what you want about the way nintendo does things and their design philosophy, but it's sad to see a franchise like Zelda being left so far behind compared to games like Horizon. And now it'll stay that way for the 3 to 4 years while everyone keep progressing, including phones and tablets, let alone home consoles.
All I wanted was a bit more power to stay relevant in the mainstream video game conversation basically. I can't imagine how far behind the Switch will be by the time it dies.
Will be amusing if the new Shield TV revealed in January is both cheaper and more powerful than the Switch.
A lot of people don't seem to understand the reason why a lot of us are disappointed. Not because it's not PS4 level, but because yesterday the worst case scenario based on what we knew was that it would be an unmodified X1. Info in devkits said that, Nvidia said it was based on their most powerful graphic cards... A lot of people were expected something reasonably powerful.
But if it's way below an X1, then the Switch isn't that special compared to a lot of devices in the market. Sure it's Nintendo, but with this thing being barely more powerful than the Wii U you can kiss goodbye the dream of ambitious games like Breath of the Wild running better, looking better, and being technically relevant. Say what you want about the way nintendo does things and their design philosophy, but it's sad to see a franchise like Zelda being left so far behind compared to games like Horizon. And now it'll stay that way for the 3 to 4 years while everyone keep progressing, including phones and tablets, let alone home consoles.
All I wanted was a bit more power to stay relevant in the mainstream video game conversation basically. I can't imagine how far behind the Switch will be by the time it dies.
Consumers will inevitably compare the two though, even if it's unfair.
That's still last year's model(and the iPhone doesn't require a fan).
How it compared to phones is irrelevant imo. Real world graphics is going to blow phones away, power is not the limiting factor on phones.They might not care for the minutiae butter will care about what it means for software support.
The fact that Switch doesn't compare favourably to modern phones is going to damage its rep too. Nevermind phones coming in the next few years.
How many GFLOPS does this image contain?
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Well, that can't be a bad thing. Have you ever played games on an Apple TV before? Games like AG Drive running at 1080/60fps. Apple TV is an iPhone 6.
Well, the specs of this thing don't bother me at all. The Switch, for me, was always going to be a secondary machine to play Nintendo games.
These comparisons make no sense...we are talking about a gaming system specifically designed for gaming, no point in comparing it with phones or tablet.Well, in undocked mode, it's inferior in max processing than the Adreno 530 in the SD820, but equal or slightly better at sustained (due to that ventilator inside the tablet). In docked mode it's basically on par with the iPad Pro (though evidently higher sustained throughput due to the active cooling dock, meaning no throttling whatsoever).
why do people keep saying we dont hve the specs?
DF are basing their whole video on their own sources that say some variant of TX1, which at that point you only need to really deduce clock speed to get a final result like they have. Even with certain customizations, it only goes so far.
With RAM for example, EDRAM runs very hot, i dont know if its possible for them to fit something like that in a handheld formfactor to speed up the LPDDR4 ram
I haven't had time to read through every response here, so I'm probably repeating what others have already said, but here are my thoughts on the matter, anyway:
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TLR
Each of these numbers are only a single variable in the equation, and we need to know things like CPU configuration, memory bus width, embedded memory pools, number of GPU SMs, etc. to actually fill out the rest of those equations to get the relevant info. Even on the worst end of the spectrum, we're still getting by far the most ambitious portable that Nintendo's ever released, which also doubles as a home console that's noticeably higher performing than Wii U, which is fine by me.
See Thraktor post on the matter, we don't know all the hardware behind it.
why do people keep saying we dont hve the specs?
DF are basing their whole video on their own sources that say some variant of TX1, which at that point you only need to really deduce clock speed to get a final result like they have. Even with certain customizations, it only goes so far.
With RAM for example, EDRAM runs very hot, i dont know if its possible for them to fit something like that in a handheld formfactor to speed up the LPDDR4 ram
why do people keep saying we dont hve the specs?
DF are basing their whole video on their own sources that say some variant of TX1, which at that point you only need to really deduce clock speed to get a final result like they have. Even with certain customizations, it only goes so far.
With RAM for example, EDRAM runs very hot, i dont know if its possible for them to fit something like that in a handheld formfactor to speed up the LPDDR4 ram
Well, the specs of this thing don't bother me at all. The Switch, for me, was always going to be a secondary machine to play Nintendo games.
I don't think people would pay full price on mobile for a pokemon game, so I'd be curious if they could really earn more on mobile with microtransactions (it also would be awful to get microtransactions on Pokemon, I'd say... especially after the Pokemon Go example...)You could say Nintendo could lose billions in profit potential not releasing Zelda on PS4 and Pokémon Sun on iOS/Android. It all depends on how well the Switch sells.
THE SMs are computational units on the chip of the Switch. The standard tegra x1 has 2 SMs, but Thraktor has theorised that, since the system wouldn't need an active fan in portable mode at this clock speed (which it seems to have), there must be more going on on the chip. His thought were that the system might have extra SMs, since they would give a more power efficient methode of increasing the graphical process (basically, more SMs at lower clock speed is mor efficient than few er SMs at higher clock speed). If the system has 3 SMs, the FLOP rate would increase by 50% (or be multiplied by 1.5), and if it has 4 SMs, the FLOP rate will double. This is speculation, though, so we will have to wait and see with regards to this.
Sunshine targeted 60, couldn't hit it properly and settled for a locked 30. Old old footage had the game running in 60 FPS and it wouldn't surprise me that's the reason it's one of the few (the only?) Gamecube games to have a functional 60 FPS hack
The customization card is quite silly anyway. Nintendo isn't going to go with some crazy customaization if a stock version would provide them with the same results for less investement.
Yeah, Nintendo has also traditionally favoured chips which have a higher emphasis on GPU over CPU, so it would make sense to include more SMs.
Yes we do. Everything so far point to 2SM. There's not a 3rd or 4th SM. This's just conservative Nintendo being conservative.
Why did people expect more though? This is nintendo, their priorities in design and development are always clear.
Might end up like the 3DS. Very modest hardware that can do (some) modern effects to produce better graphics than you'd expect. The thing supports UE4 so it should be able to do modern shaders and such. Question is how well though, but we'll see.
The best evidence in my eyes would be that the Switch should have no problem running a standard Tegra X1 at significantly higher clock speeds than this, and Thraktor mentioned that the battery life would not be impacted a lot. So why downclock so aggressively (especially considering the docked mode is also throttled below standard Tegra X1).
I don't think people would pay full price on mobile for a pokemon game, so I'd be curious if they could really earn more on mobile with microtransactions (it also would be awful to get microtransactions on Pokemon, I'd say... especially after the Pokemon Go example...)
This is supposed to be a product that is tested and quality. Nintendo including a fan on the thing doesn't mean that its secretly hiding more power. It could just mean that its always running at a low circulation to keep the machine from getting hot in long stretches
Well, that can't be a bad thing. Have you ever played games on an Apple TV before? Games like AG Drive running at 1080/60fps. Apple TV is an iPhone 6.
This is very disappointing, I was never expecting PS4 power but they could at least have the custom X1 chip running at full speed (1GHZ) when docked and there is no need to have the portable mode running at such a low clock speed.
Seeing its running below the clock speeds I wonder if Nintendo will slightly up the clocks over time by way of firmware updates.
Who cares that the specs for this are low.
This is Digital Foundry again trying to score a point for 'high-end PCs' which seems to be the comparison point for every.single.article they write. They might as well have the opening paragraph to their articles read: 'the ultimate gaming experience can be enjoyed with a high-end PC'.
Who cares that the specs for this are low.
This is Digital Foundry again trying to score a point for 'high-end PCs' which seems to be the comparison point for every.single.article they write. They might as well have the opening paragraph to their articles read: 'the ultimate gaming experience can be enjoyed with a high-end PC'.
See, arm chair analysts always come in and try to make this point, but no. There is no guarantee they would suddenly be able to destroy. They would still be competing with every other company in the market for people's time and money, while losing billions in the revenue and profit potential of selling hardware and software in their own eco system.
A third party Nintendo would be run completely differently and that's not a Nintendo I want to see.
You claim they can't compete in the AAA market or console market, and yet your solution is to jump in directly into that market.
This is supposed to be a product that is tested and quality. Nintendo including a fan on the thing doesn't mean that its secretly hiding more power. It could just mean that its always running at a low circulation to keep the machine from getting hot in long stretches
Out of the Cards for launch games yes, but not out of the Cards Down the line. Vita did this.That might be out of the cards considering devs are already working on games with that clock in mind.