Miles Quaritch
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What is it about Sunset that means it has zero mass appeal?
Genuinely interested. I keep seeing this mentioned, but no one seems to explain why it has zero mass appeal.
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E3 2014: $399 Xbox Ones "Flying Off The Shelves" at GameStop
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What is it about Sunset that means it has zero mass appeal?
Genuinely interested. I keep seeing this mentioned, but no one seems to explain why it has zero mass appeal.
I would think Gamestop wants as many consoles as possible to be out there. PS4 doesn't really need help selling, so they're pushing X1s. The more consoles out there, the more trade ins, more used games sales, more money for them.
Chobel
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Did they fly off the shelves?
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
What about Wii U, has the console been selling better ever since MK8?
What percentage of voters are included in those exceptionally reliable presidential polls?
Maybe he meant literally? Do the boxes have wings?
A 6 percent sample size is a large sample size by all scientific standards
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Lol this is the mentality that leads to "All they have is Halo, Gears, Forza". Ignore everything else.
He is talking about sales though.
family_guy
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I have a PS4 and was looking into picking up an Xbox One but since we know what's coming out this year I'm holding off. All the push backs to 2015 have killed much of my enthusiasm. I was going to pick up Dead Rising but now I'll just get it on Steam. Sunset Overdrive is the only other thing I would pick up that's coming out this year.
I really, really hate that term. Especially when it's used in a speculative form in order to build excitement.
For example, all the people who said "PS Vita is going to fly off shelves."
Sure thing there.
May NPD will be a blood bath lol, june and july should be better.
Much less of couse, but you know that polls use a scientific methodology, right?
You can have 10%-20% an be very wrong, and you can have less than 1% and spot on. Methodology is all.
With a wrong methodology 6% means virtually nothing.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I bought my Xbox One just to get Sunset Overdrive later. Its a system seller to me.
Kind of surprised by the headline. Granted, there are several promotions running for upgrading old to new systems, with the One plastered everywhere.
But while trading in my PS3 yesterday, 3 separate people came in wanting Mario Kart 8 and the Wii U. (They only glided off the shelves.) But this gamestop might just be an anomaly because right as I was checking out, a little girl and her mother walked in. The girl was begging for her mom to buy her Wolfenstein.
But while trading in my PS3 yesterday, 3 separate people came in wanting Mario Kart 8 and the Wii U. (They only glided off the shelves.) But this gamestop might just be an anomaly because right as I was checking out, a little girl and her mother walked in. The girl was begging for her mom to buy her Wolfenstein.
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I know. Historically Fable has sold in the millions. Crackdown could easily do well if marketed right. And why would Sunset not do well? It looks amazing and seems to have a huge marketing boost.
"I hate brown/gray shooters... Devs should stop making them and make some unique looking games!"
"Game isn't a brown/gray shooter? Instant flop. It won't have any mass appeal."
I don't work at GameStop, but I can say that stuff like that is very common in the retail world. Pretty much every decision in a retail store is thoroughly vetted. Companies like Activision and EA gladly pay GameStop to put their products at eye level.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
I really don't understand either as I too think it has tons of mass market appeal, is from Insomniac, and is everything an Xbox gamer would want in a game. Also, no way is Fable not a popular franchise like he mentionned (Fable 3 sold close to 5 million) and both Crackdowns sold around a million.
However, maybe I should say something like Bloodborn has no mass market appeal. I mean, if you look at the sales of Demon's Souls it only sold 1.7 million copies on a system with an install base of more than 80 millions consoles. I don't know how people can expect Bloodborn to be a system seller in this case.
I remember many people looking at Amazon rankings in February saying the PS4 would crush the Xbox One (the PS4 was much higher than the XB1 on Amazon that month) only for the NPD to show that the PS4 sold about 30K more with both systems being above 250K that month.
That's not to say that Amazon sales DON'T matter but I don't get why some use them as proof of overall console sales... Especially after previous examples.
rokkerkory
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Define "mass market".
If you compare Halo to either SO or Crackdown, then yeah SO and Crackdown won't have the same level of impact as Halo. Neither would most other games including games on PS4.
With that being said, both those games should be able to push respectable sales 2m+ lifetime but it depends on if the game is good or not. SO and Crackdown are both different than your standard game so it would have some level of appeal.
If you compare Halo to either SO or Crackdown, then yeah SO and Crackdown won't have the same level of impact as Halo. Neither would most other games including games on PS4.
With that being said, both those games should be able to push respectable sales 2m+ lifetime but it depends on if the game is good or not. SO and Crackdown are both different than your standard game so it would have some level of appeal.
And since there is nothing essentially wrong with the methodology, amazon rankings are quite informative.
Where they will just hide the numbers and people will do a lot of guessing. k.
DUFFMCWALIN
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I'm thinking about buying a One now that its at a good price and so I can have all the exclusives. The Ps4 will be the main third party machine though, its still more powerful.
edit: And I don't have to buy a fucking Kinect.
edit: And I don't have to buy a fucking Kinect.
CadetMahoney
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Do MS usually hide their numbers in NPD? Or do you mean combine them into vague "family" numbers?
The white PS4s don't count? Haven't you been paying attention with the thread evolution over the last page?
Oh... wait.
bobbytkc
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Nevermind.
To be fair, during those months, the PS4 would be ranked higher for the day or two they had any in stock. Then it would drop as XBO rose or remained steady. Lack of product on shelves and in warehouses contributed to the sales near-parity during those months.
Now that both systems are widely available in stores, we should start to see some more telling numbers in the next few months.
February was interesting because PS4s were hard to find on store shelves, so Amazon shipments sold out very quickly and the system did very well in the best sellers rankings. XBO was much easier to find so they weren't selling that well on Amazon. Now that both consoles have plenty of supply the Amazon rankings give us a clearer picture of demand. Of course that's just my interpretation.
EDIT: Just beaten by BigDug
Chobel
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That was because PS4 was supply constrained in most retailers, and Amazon had better supply that most other retailers.
Memorabilia
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So, a $100 price drop results in an uptick in sales? Who knew? And in other news the earth is predicted to remain in orbit around the sun tomorrow.
CadetMahoney
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this. NPD will be interesting.
rokkerkory
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this is the right approach
White PS4 is September, bobby is saying they'll win in June because of their new SKU vs. no new SKU from Sony.
I think he's wrong but we'll see.
Hell, the white PS4 might end up hurting Sony's June numbers. I'm sure at least some people will be waiting to pick that up instead of going out and buying a PS4 this month.
Let's keep pretending that month wasn't an aberration. Its clear Ps4 was supply constrained that month and didn't receive the sales bump that every other console got. If it even got the lowest percent increase that a console got that month which I believe was ~48% the gap between X1 and Ps4 would of been much bigger. And in the end the Ps4 still sold more like its done every month that it has been leading on Amazon.
ArkkAngel007
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While I agree that Bloodborne is going to be tougher to sell to the broader market, I don't see what that has to do with the sales of Xbox One titles. A lot of things can be discussed within the Xbox One ecosystem without having to stoop down to console war measuring.
With the right marketing, I think all of the Xbox One exclusives can do fairly well. Some things like Crackdown 3 being online only (if I'm wrong, let me know gently) can hurt potential sales, but I can't see how Sunset Overdrive will have limited appeal as long as Microsoft/Insomniac put in the effort to make it a high profile product to the mass market.
link1201
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"Fable is dead"-Agreed
The Fable legends they showed had zero interest from me as a Fable fan. I hope that changes though when I learn more.
"Sunset Overdrive will have zero appeal to the mass market." -Disagree
Anecdotal, but all three of my nephews have asked me to get this game for them because they fear their parents won't (Non-gamer types). Additionally, I feel a game of this type is desperately needed, a fun silly open world shooter with grinding. Come On, Who wouldn't want that.
FullMetaltech
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Its there. Best sellers.
http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_12
SDCowboy
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Oh, my bad. I skimmed right past the bundle.
Phoenician_Viking
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Let's hope so.
This year or last year gif? Still what a ridiculous thing to say.
kinoki
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As I remember, and I'm on my phone, the PS4 was still pretty rare to see in stores at that time. Meaning that while Amazon had been representative in an ideal scenario where every consumer had the possibility to buy a product the reality of the situation was that there wasn't enough stock in stores. Now that stores can carry both we'll see Amazon to be more accurate.
We still only sample online retail and we have to assume the purchasing habits are 1:1 between the two crowds. Which isn't a far stretch. But the supply needs to be there in order for it to work.
TheRagnCajun
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Considering MS announced the new SKU on May 13th, I expect May NDP to be ugly, and June to be correspondingly better. It will be interesting to combine both months to see what the net sum gain is.
Can you really use the word "aberration" considering we don't have a full year of Xbox One stats to look at? Especially for the month of February when the only bad NPD month the Xbox One had after launch during that time was January ("PS4 2:1").
Again, I simply made my post as an example to show why you can't base everything on Amazon ranking stats.
Okay? I wasn't the one to say the PS4 would absolutely crush the Xbox One back in February based on Amazon stats; I knew the supply issues as you already mentioned. The PS4 being hard to find in stores at the time was part of the reason why it had such a higher ranking on Amazon than the Xbox One had and (as I said before) there were people saying the PS4 would crush the Xbox One that month based on those rankings.
FYI, I brought out the month of February in which the PS4 did outsell the Xbox One in NPD so yes, I know that.
Your fingers are going to get tired if you feel the need to respond to each and every troll.
Another interesting thing for me is that a couple local gamestops were advertising a discount for anything "announced" at E3. It makes me wonder if the kinectless bundle applied to that.
An interesting way to drum up additional interest for anything new or changed, but it is not exactly a wide spectrum target for such marketing.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I'm dying :lol:lol:lol
Darkmakaimura
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I"m sure a certain upcoming collection of games might have also contributed to Xbox One sales.
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