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EDGE: DRM-free PS4 is a PR play expect similar policies across both consoles.
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Vestal
Gold Member
Lets remember something here.. Sony isn't known for being very truthful in their claims during E3s... (PS3 Killzone ring a bell)
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Perhaps wading in with FUD before even reading the sodding thing is something you shouldn't engage in.
Sony confirmed if you want to play offline single player games, there aint anything locking you out of that shit. Online passes are even frowned upon.
Thankfully discs still exist, and with no online requirement, they gotta play something. True its up to publishers what extra wrinkles they want to add to the NON DRM CONSOLE, but article and topic title are completely at odds with reality. On a ground up level, the consoles are different in this respect and not "just a PR play".
Sony has learned a lot since the PS3 unveil. The PS4 is proof paid to that. Stop this shitty thought process.
DevilWillcry
Member
Reads like a pathetic smear article smh
Viruz
Member
Yes, it'll be up to me. Buy or don't. I'm cool with this.
SolidSnakex
Member
It's controversial because it goes directly against what Sony has said. They've said that the only part of the game that publishers can touch is the online part. They aren't allowed to touch the offline game. They've said that if you understand how it worked on the PSone, PS2, PS3 etc., then you understand how it works on the PS4. Nothing has changed.
This is just getting pathetic now, and whatever respect I had for Edge has bottomed out.
How much fucking clearer can they get when they say it'll work just like the PS3? That online checks are not built into the system? Good grief. The fact that Sony cares about the Home market in Japan, the global market in developing nations and all that just gets completely ignored. "SAME AS MICROSOFT GUYS. REALLY!!!" Fuck off, bloggers.
How much fucking clearer can they get when they say it'll work just like the PS3? That online checks are not built into the system? Good grief. The fact that Sony cares about the Home market in Japan, the global market in developing nations and all that just gets completely ignored. "SAME AS MICROSOFT GUYS. REALLY!!!" Fuck off, bloggers.
H_Prestige
Banned
So I see you're still not using your brain. Any DRM "solution" that publisher comes up with on ps4 can also be used on ps3, 360, and wiiu. This piece is sensationalist garbage. It is FUD. The type of DRM MS is employing is physically incompatible with how the ps4 or any other console operates.
Read that last sentence again.
Yet nobody will take this into account and debate about things that do not exist will continue.
This deserves its own thread because it uses official source with extremely strong notion about something that is very important for the perception and outlook of one of the platforms.
I think they are still allowed but he said devs most likely wont use them.
Edit:wow thought ti was the same thing but that's different.
This deserves its own thread. Don't let this stay buried in this one.
Mind, making one, I'm a lowly junior :/
The way I read it is that Edge is claiming that publishers will employ the same policies across both consoles.
With Xbox One they don't have to do anything, they just have to submit to Microsoft how their title should be handled.
With PlayStation 4 they have to implement their online authentication themselves, make everything be behind an online-pass and make the online-pass cost the full price of the game, made a deal with GameStop to give players a new online-pass for the used copy if you trade it in. Then you have effectively disallowed used game sales for private owners like on Xbox One.
I have the feeling (as others have suggested) publishers will add their own 'check in with the cloud' DRM, similar to MS but at the game level. i.e. Madden will require you to login in to the EA servers to play, loose connection for a period of time and you can no longer play.
JetBlackPanda
Member
hokagespit
Member
how is this argument still happening
things remain as they are
no online check in restricted console period.
want to be online play online you could possibly need a code. to do things you'd be online for anyways.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
That hypothesis runs counterpoint to every word that has come out of Sony on the subject.
Unless Sony is actively lying, what they say is the closest we can get to facts.
Ok I am done now.
Yes, which is why they call it a PR play.
H_Prestige
Banned
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
If you forget about key coded DLC unlocked parts of modes of games, or forced online SP.
Uno Venova
Banned
I'm betting we'll still be talking about this potentially happening 3 years from now when the biggest games still don't have any crazy offline drm.
Flatline
Banned
Simple: Wishful thinking from certain people. Sony couldn't be more clear about this, Edge is fucking pathetic.
Glorified G
Member
I'm reading this sentence over and over and it still doesn't make any sense
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
There's a difference between a PR play and saying the absolute opposite of what you're actually doing.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
So before the consoles were revealed Edge's rumors were never to be questioned, but now that they say something negative they are clearly wrong?
In the part you quoted me it says
"With PlayStation 4 they have to implement their online authentication themselves, make everything be behind an online-pass and make the online-pass cost the full price of the game, made a deal with GameStop to give players a new online-pass for the used copy if you trade it in. Then you have effectively disallowed used game sales for private owners like on Xbox One."
It would be the same thing.
Yeah. It's completely insane if true. If they were planning of doing the exact same thing as Microsoft anyway, then the path they are currently on is completely the wrong way to go about this. They could have used the negative press of Microsoft and said "we have the same, because we must, but at least our hardware is more powerful and we're cheaper." not portraying themselves as the consumer-friends.
It will bite them in the arse so much harder than if they'd been up front from the start.
I'm seriously considering suing you for the braincells I lost reading this post.
Uno Venova
Banned
...Never questioned?
True, man. And where the hell is the PS4's birth certificate?!
H_Prestige
Banned
Yes, I'm aware that downloaded content is tied to individual accounts. We're talking about physical goods here.
I own this game and I'm pretty sure I can sell it or lend it to anyone I want.
What you actually said, and what you meant were entirely different in the post I quoted. Things can still change, and until they start rolling out boxes I don't see how anything is complete fact or final. Even then, things are likely to change or become more clear.
But there is no play. Yeah I guess Sony could be lying, but they were crystal clear in the conference that PS4 disc games will be playable offline, no check-in, connection necessary. He didn't say only Sony first party games. He was very clear in meaning all ps4 disc based games.
So it's going to be exactly like ps3. Which from my knowledge only MMO'S and a few digital only games from Capcom require an Internet connection. And with MMO's, that's not DRM.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
The rumor runs counterpoint to what Sony has actually said. This is why they are questioned. Not because they're negative.
A rumor article is one thing. An article full of pure conjecture is another.
How much clearer could sony spell it out apart from tattooing it on their sphincter and sitting on your face?
It's up to Pubs, same as always.
I wouldn't be surprised. Despite popular belief, there's no such thing as an ethical multi billion dollar corporation. They're in the business of making money, and the ONLY reason Sony is coming off the way it is, is the fact that they consider this pathway the one best primed for carving out a lucrative venture. There's a reason companies shift from being humble and in line with consumer demand, to cocky and seemingly out of touch with consumers, depending on their success within the industry. It happens with every company, and its simply the nature of the business.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
IIRC, anytime anyone doubted Edge rumors, people claimed they would never put their rep on the line by putting out something false and had a clean track record of rumors.
H_Prestige
Banned
Nintendo saying that Wii U supports used games is a PR play
Microsoft saying 360 supports used games is a PR play
Sony saying PS3 supports used games is a PR play
Argue against any of those statements. Go.
Or we just say "FUCK YOU" to developers using any sort of DRM for their games and don't buy it. Eventually developers will realize we don't want this DRM crap no matter what.
That is if we can somehow convince all 12 year olds from buying games like call of duty.
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Stops dreaming and realizes that this will never happen......
That is if we can somehow convince all 12 year olds from buying games like call of duty.
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Stops dreaming and realizes that this will never happen......
Yes, I agree. I'm preparing for digital games to require a constant connection.
But for disc based games, edge is wrong.
Uno Venova
Banned
Of course, but there was still a good amount that also said they probably don't have good MS sources compared to Sony, that they got info from Superdae, that they just misheard 'always online' and had no idea what they were talking about. It wasn't unanimous acceptance at all.
It is the same. What publishers decide on is different is what's being claimed.
Gamasutra just published that Online Passes will be disallowed on PS4.
That means my plan to call it an online-pass can not work.
Now every game needs to be a service-based game not a traditional singleplayer/multiplayer game.
H_Prestige
Banned
So you agree with all of those statements? All three of those consoles are just like the Xbone? Ok then.
Consoles have allowed pubs to use online passes and ps4 is maintaining the status quo.
Puppet Shadow
Member
This. I don't get the issue here.
Sony would be nuts to be outright lying. If they were planning to do this, they'd take the Microsoft route by making ambiguous statements, tip toe around questions, or say more details will be released in the future. They haven't done that. They've been pretty damn clear.
Uno Venova
Banned
Get prepared, you're going to hear this all gen.
Not because of any trend though, but because those features were letting people hack the shit out of PS3 and using hacked pirated games on it. How is that Sony "adapting" to the industry changing?
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