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Fallout 4 Season Pass: $30, "we dont know what the actual DLC will be yet"
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Visualante2
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If it ain't broke. Don't fix it Bethesda. The previous games had an excellent DLC model. Old World Blues even won awards.
Gravy Boat
Member
Maybe it is arrogance and I'm just looking at it in the best light. I agree with everything else you've said, but it's just nice to know that a AAA developer is waiting until the game is finished before working on DLC. It's just a silver lining on an otherwise grim announcement.
And if I were to put my corporate hat on, I'd say I don't really blame them from doing this since it's clear people will pay for it. It works as a business decision but it's a terrible one for consumers. Consumers have the choice to abstain until details are announced but sadly not everyone will do that, which in turn sets a precedent that this is an OK practice.
Backlogger
Member
Just an observation, and its probably not the same people saying this but its funny to me how some people complain about planned DLC that is already in development before the base game launches and then people also complain about planned DLC that hasn't started development yet.
I think we all hate the idea of DLC, but our arguments against it are all over the place
Hearthfire DLC is one of those things they should have just patched into the game for free, but I don't think it cost very much when it launched. The 2 story DLCs were pretty fun (I thought)
I agree with this. Maybe they haven't started much of the development of it, but I am sure they have the plans pretty well thought out at this point.
I think we all hate the idea of DLC, but our arguments against it are all over the place
Hearthfire DLC is one of those things they should have just patched into the game for free, but I don't think it cost very much when it launched. The 2 story DLCs were pretty fun (I thought)
I agree with this. Maybe they haven't started much of the development of it, but I am sure they have the plans pretty well thought out at this point.
The last two Fallout games had 5 DLC each, and I believe they all released at 10 bucks. They released two big story DLC for Skyrim at 20 bucks each (no idea what Hearthfire released as). I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that bought individually the DLC packs individually will be at least $40 bucks.
And has already been said, you're cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs if you think they don't know what that DLC will be.
You will be able to buy DLC individually.
Se_7_eN
Member
Broken Steel was the best DLC I have ever played in my life... Point Lookout was EXTREMELY enjoyable, and The Pit was disgusting and great.
I definitely trust Bethesda when it comes to doing DLC right, I don't see what the issue is here... We wouldn't be up in arms or surprised if anyone else did it, why isn't it ok if Bethesda does it?
Sometimes I feel like there is a weird Bethesda hate train around here.
I definitely trust Bethesda when it comes to doing DLC right, I don't see what the issue is here... We wouldn't be up in arms or surprised if anyone else did it, why isn't it ok if Bethesda does it?
Sometimes I feel like there is a weird Bethesda hate train around here.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Yeah, the Fallout 3 DLC was bookended by disappointment which I think makes people remember it poorly, but I thought it was great.
The Pitt was definitely disgusting as far as that Steel Ingot thing went thought
Skyrim DLC was pretty mediocre though I thought.
Gravy Boat
Member
Its fine to suggest stuff but it ultimately means nothing, and still isn't a justifiable reason for pre-ordering before you get any info. What would be the benefits of doing that?
Also kind of on a tangent but I wouldn't look at previous games in a series for an idea of how things will work going forwards. The DLC game has changed a lot since New Vegas was released.
sensui-tomo
Member
Bethesda didn't make old world blues, that was obsidian with new Vegas.
XBOX may have the branding, but there's no way they'll get any timed DLC.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
4 for New Vegas, 5 for Fallout, 2 big ones and one small for Skyrim. They have a great track record for quality content for DLC. The fact that people are complaining about this is just absurd. They don't want developers working on DLC until the game is released and yet people complain about them announcing they haven't even started thinking about DLC, but there is going to be after release. It's nonsense.
Visualante2
Member
And it will be priced poorly to make the pass seem like the smart move. Because it's the latest fashionable thing to do. Numerous times the season pass for Bioshock Infinite was cheaper than the DLC episodes.
Who published it, who created the format in Fallout 3? It was Bethesda. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by arguing semantics.
Made me laugh.
Monster Zero
Junior Member
Nooooooo, what I don't want is developers telling me something is $30 when it doesn't exist. Y'all mixing peoe who hate dlc with people who hate getting shitted on.
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
that's the point of a season pass ya dingus
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Only thing I can remember that happening to was Assassind Creed Unity and I got the promises content I paid for (Dead Kings and AC Chronicles China), AND Farcry 4 for free. So I mean, that answers your question.
You don't trust your mother very much hu? lol at the comparison tho
I mean it's Bethesda we're talking about here. It's not like they making games since yesterday. Everyone who bought and played one of their big RPG games with all DLC should probably know what awaits him/her with the season pass.
Edit: so in the worst case it's some horse armor and in the best case something like Dawnguard
IXI FalcoN
Member
Worst season pass announcement ever.
The key to the season pass craze is patience. I can't fathom why anyone buys a season pass at launch, even when the content is detailed in advance. You're paying full price for...nothing. At least at that moment. It's much smarter to wait for all the content to release, or at least the first piece of content before throwing down cash on the pass. At least you get to play something right then and there. And sometimes the pass goes on sale before it's all released. This is I how I do the Telltale games; I snagged Walking Dead S2 pass for $7.50 before the last episode was released. Finished the game right along with the day 1 buyer's at a third of the cost.
I loved The Witcher 3 and will for sure buy the expansions when the release. I did not buy the pass yet. What's the point? Might as well wait for the first one to release and then buy it. There's no time table on these pass's, what's the big rush to preorder DLC?
It took Irrational a full year to release all of Bioshock Infinite's DLC. Day 1 buyers probably wouldn't have bought the pass if they knew the $20 would be tied up for a year. Can you imagine if Rockstar chose to go the season pass route with GTA V? We're approaching 2 years since release and still no details on single player DLC, if it even still exists.
tl;dr - Wait and see on season passes. There's no reason to pay full price up front for jack shit at the moment and possibility mediocre to terrible content later.
The key to the season pass craze is patience. I can't fathom why anyone buys a season pass at launch, even when the content is detailed in advance. You're paying full price for...nothing. At least at that moment. It's much smarter to wait for all the content to release, or at least the first piece of content before throwing down cash on the pass. At least you get to play something right then and there. And sometimes the pass goes on sale before it's all released. This is I how I do the Telltale games; I snagged Walking Dead S2 pass for $7.50 before the last episode was released. Finished the game right along with the day 1 buyer's at a third of the cost.
I loved The Witcher 3 and will for sure buy the expansions when the release. I did not buy the pass yet. What's the point? Might as well wait for the first one to release and then buy it. There's no time table on these pass's, what's the big rush to preorder DLC?
It took Irrational a full year to release all of Bioshock Infinite's DLC. Day 1 buyers probably wouldn't have bought the pass if they knew the $20 would be tied up for a year. Can you imagine if Rockstar chose to go the season pass route with GTA V? We're approaching 2 years since release and still no details on single player DLC, if it even still exists.
tl;dr - Wait and see on season passes. There's no reason to pay full price up front for jack shit at the moment and possibility mediocre to terrible content later.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Looking at Bethesda ‏track record the game will probably be a buggy mess at launch so it'll be a while before we see anything that isn't a patch update.
I don't have confident in Bethesda to pay 30$ for season pass the company doesn't even know yet.
From Season Pass containing content we don't know to Season Pass the company itself doesn't know. Amazing.‎
I don't have confident in Bethesda to pay 30$ for season pass the company doesn't even know yet.
From Season Pass containing content we don't know to Season Pass the company itself doesn't know. Amazing.‎
Visualante2
Member
I think some season passes are a way to get money early, by selling things people don't want or don't know exist yet. Pumping up the price of the a la carte option is just another tool to sell more season passes.
Bethesda know people want the story content, but will pad it out with a load of cheap disposable shit and charge a little extra.
Oh, he very clearly is a meme. He has consistently said things about the games he's worked on that have been proven to not be true.
I've not played many of Bethesdas games, so maybe you or someone else can enlighten me to see if his claims were true: Did Fallout 3 have over 200 endings? Did Oblivion have "radiant AI" that allowed a full individual schedule for each and every NPC? These are claims Howard actually made, and he is only next to Peter Molyneux as a bullshit artist.
To say he's not a meme about lies shows you don't really follow him. He and Peter M are the wombo combo of spinners.
As for full blown capitalism, I know you said that as a joke, but unfettered capitalism, like the type that has ruined America, is a literal social disease. If God were real, He/She/It would be better off eradicating that original sin of ignorance and greed from this earth. I really doubt Howard is such a vile human being to be that, of course. He has sincerity in his words, even is his words are empty, sweet little lies.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Well of course it doesn't exist yet, they haven't made it. Based on their previous DLC however, we have a good idea of what's going to happen, making the price seem pretty reasonable. The best part is, is that you can buy the season later after all the DLC comes out to see if it's truly worth the value.
But Fallout 3's DLC was probably already pre developed also. In fact i'm sure it was because they announced at E3 that 360 was getting the DLC first.
Doomshroom
Member
ok ill pass. Hey, looks like i learned something from Destiny.
Neuromancer
Member
Can a human being be a meme?
Give War A Chance
Member
I'm sure they will sell plenty of $30 season passes before this game releases, to answer your last question first.
In your scenario, your money is going to 1) entry, 2) food. In this scenario, your money is going to more Fallout 4. And the crazy part is that you don't have to buy it. Bethesda isn't threatening to break your legs like some bookie. You can wait if you like, or commit earlier for a discount, or even wait for it all to come out and then buy the season pass and STILL get the discount... or not buy anything at all! You've still got your choices. Why are you in a huff about that?
You can buy the season pass when all the DLC has been released. You don't have to "buy blind" if you don't want to. That option is merely for the people that know they're going to download whatever is released.
MegaMelon
Member
Oh I see cheers for correcting me. I still don't think it'll take too long for them to make a dlc from scratch, it just depends on what they meant by early 2016. If they mean January then obviously I can see where you're coming from.
All human beings are memes, per Dawkins.
I may be the odd one but I preferred Fallout 3 DLC (with the exception of Mothership Zeta, screw that) than New Vegas DLC. Only one I liked was Lonesome Road.Yeah, the Fallout 3 DLC was bookended by disappointment which I think makes people remember it poorly, but I thought it was great.
The Pitt was definitely disgusting as far as that Steel Ingot thing went thought
Skyrim DLC was pretty mediocre though I thought.
Depends on what you call an "ending". Until Dawn has one "ending" but many ways to get there. FO3 is no different.
Can't say for sure about EVERY NPC, but most in cities did indeed, wake up go somewhere, and go home at the end of the day.
And are you seriously comparing him to Molyneux based off two claims both of which are kinda sorta true? Yea. Not hyperbole at all.
Off-Kilter
Banned
In that respect we are in agreement. I personally think it's shitty, but not exactly a death knell for the industry, but consider that it's easy for the situation to get considerably worse if left unchecked.
Hypothetical situation:
Company A announces game X and offers a season pass for future content. The company doesn't release any kind of outline or details about the future content outside of the fact that it exists, but a number of consumers buy it anyway. A greater amount of consumers wait until the company releases some concrete information about the content before deciding that it's worth ponying up for the pass.
Company A, now emboldened by the success of game X's strategy, announce game Y and again offers a season pass without any details. This time, however, they want to incentivize consumers into buying the pass early in the cycle by offering additional goodies like an XP boost for multiplayer, some skins, maybe even an exclusive mission or two, but only if you buy the season pass today, no questions asked. Those who still want to buy the season pass because, hey, game Y looks great and they've been fans for years, but would at least like some real information before plunking down their dollars (reasonable expectation, wouldn't you say?) will unfortunately be locked out from said goodies.
This kind of situation would create that pressure you mentioned in an earlier post that doesn't exist in the Fallout situation, but the Fallout situation can certainly help pave the way to a situation with actual pressure. I would like to err on the side of caution.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I really, really wish that people would cut this crap out.
Krappadizzle
Member
I completely agree.
I just wanna ask. Does your Mom actually call you Monster Zero? That'd be awesome.
My Mom hates it when I write Krappadizzle when we go sing karaoke.
joecanada
Member
Yeah, the Fallout 3 DLC was bookended by disappointment which I think makes people remember it poorly, but I thought it was great.
The Pitt was definitely disgusting as far as that Steel Ingot thing went thought
Skyrim DLC was pretty mediocre though I thought.
Fallout 3 , one of my favorite games of all time and only platinum was not worth any season pass, so the likelihood this game will be is minute....
Fallout 3 on ps3 couldn't even run past a couple of DLC's before the whole game would just crash repeatedly and never get past a certain point.
Also in these games you find that the DLC is just more drawn out gameplay with the exact same mechanics on a different map... it's not really that intriguing.
I'm one of Fallout's biggest defenders , but this is just a NO. At least just wait for the GOTY edition if you are obsessed with DLC (if it even runs properly). The fact that they are basically saying "give us money up front for unknown content " is even worse.
Give War A Chance
Member
This is just an objectively bad post. This doesn't make any sense and shaming people for their purchasing decisions (using the money THEY earned) is just wrong.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Sure, but this is just a slippery slope argument. Secondly, any of those things you are mentioning sound like the sort of silly hooks that I expect Consumers of Discerning Taste (TM) to not fall for. Especially the first two: "XP boost for multiplayer, some skins, maybe even an exclusive mission or two." Come on, we're in the know. We're careful with our money, right? We're not going to be hoodwinked by crap like skins or an XP boost. The exclusive mission or two could be problematic, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
But the DLC won awards for the concept, writing, quests, you name it. All things Bethesda didn't have anything to do with. That's not semantics, Old World Blues didn't win awards because Bethesda's DLC model is so great, Old World Blues won awards because Obsidian is just damn good at writing.
qa_engineer
Member
This is to be expected of pretty much all triple A titles now. Instead of charging 90 US Dollars up front they charge you 60, and then incentivize you to spend the other 30 dollars later. Businesses are for profit, guys. Remember that.