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Fallout 4 Season Pass: $30, "we dont know what the actual DLC will be yet"
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Solid Samus
Banned
newsflash y'all!
Bethesda isn't trying to sell you SHIT right now.
Bethesda isn't trying to sell you SHIT right now.
Bethesda isn't trying to sell you SHIT right now.
The season pass comes early next year.
By then, they'll likely have a clearer vision for their DLC plans, and you'll likely know more.
edit: nope, I was wrong, the DLC comes early next year, I read the IGN article and thought they were saying that's when the season pass hits. Still, though. They aren't asking for money from anyone for the season pass at the moment, they've just signaled their intent to release one, so knowing what it comes with right at this moment isn't entirely necessary, and deliberately ignoring past precedent in favor of the absolute worst possible and least likely turn of events ain't even half as reasonable as trusting Bethesda's DLC habits enough to buy in blind, at any rate.
SchrodingerC
Member
Oh goddamn it Bethesda. Well, at least they're promising every DLC will be within the season pass.
Monster Zero
Junior Member
When you name a price, you're selling, just cause it's not available, doesn't mean we don't have people in this very topic saying they'll buy it without having any idea what it is
Shining Sunshine
Banned
They know what the DLC is.
Dragon1893
Member
People don't even want to see if things are worth their money anymore which is the ideal scenario for publishers when selling these, not even needing to promise things to convince people to hand over the money.
Consumers are putting themselves in a very unfavorable position with this.
If this is successful it will become a trend, with publishers not feeling pressure to deliver good content because they already have the money.
If all it takes is saying there's a season pass, why promise valuable content? Just watch the money roll in and then do the bare minimum.
If they aren't trying to push their product then why did they announce it?
Mentioning anything with a price point is them trying to sell me SHIT.
Captain Tuttle
Member
heh, pretty ballsy
The older Elder Scrolls games have significantly more content than anything Bethesda is making currently. I guess the recent stuff has more voice acting.
You can be honest and show what you will offer, the insanity !
As far as I know only CDPR did this so far in recent memories and even then the jury is still out because we didn't play any of their DLC yet.
The don't buy it applys perfectly to season passes, They said they have no idea what this pass will exactly contain so best thing to do is ignore it till they announce what will be included.
It's a bunch of posters overreacting like they normally do until we get a full story of what this is. The main thing is this should be ignored until it's spelled out what is included.
There's nothing wrong with the premise of season passes just they need to spell out what you get.
I wouldn't trust CDPR anyway. They have alot to prove with the season pass they are bringing out.
Solid Samus
Banned
So? What's your point? Those people, myself included, trust that they'll be getting their money's worth based on past precedent. That makes sense.
What doesn't make sense is people getting up in arms just because Bethesda doesn't have a clear vision for their DLC right now. The context for getting pissed about that has solely been, "but look, they're trying to sell you a season pass when nobody knows what it even is, not even them!!!"... except they're not trying to sell you that shit blind, because they're not selling it now, they're selling it next year... They signaled their intent to release a season pass, that is not the same thing.
Yeah, then why don't you go and hand them $30 for the season pass?
You won't, eh? Ah, it's because you've got integrity and no respect for scummy practices...
oh wait no, you can't buy it because it's not even for sale for another 4 months
so in four months if they've still don't have their DLC roadmap figured out or they still can't or won't communicate that to us, then that's when it would make sense to get up in arms about it
certainly not now
Florida_Man_5000
Member
IIRC, Twice as much as Witcher supposedly. That seems unfathomable to me.
That's a great way to end your future business. Think about it!
Florida_Man_5000
Member
That's a great way to end your future business. Think about it!
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I agree but some here never miss an opportunity to bash a company. What is not being discussed is that Bethesda will be doing free updates that add new content.
NullPointer
Member
The season pass won't be up for purchase until four months from now?
Where are you getting that?
OriginalNameGuy
Member
We know Bethesda will make expansions they always do. Whether or not you enjoyed their previous work is personal taste. My issue with season pass is developers who sell it and then don't deliver any content or very little.
Solid Samus
Banned
I got that from a badly worded IGN paraphrasing that I'm now beginning to call into question myself, considering the article linked in the OP states that they'll start selling the DLC early next year, whereas the IGN article seems to imply that it's the season pass that doesn't come until next year. I'll still wait and see if Bethesda knows what they want to sell us when they start selling it, before I complain that they're trying to sell me something blind, though.
So you were gonna buy a game that nobody knows much about yet on day 1, but because they're planning on selling a season pass for DLC that they were always going to make anyway, suddenly the base game is a less appealing purchase....? ???
Season Passes and Pre-order incentives are evil; we all know this.
That said, when will the Fallout 4 Season Pass be available on GreenManGaming...? I'm ready to buy it at 23% off, and am ready to see what the amazing modding community will come up with in early 2016 when the Creation Kit rolls out.
That said, when will the Fallout 4 Season Pass be available on GreenManGaming...? I'm ready to buy it at 23% off, and am ready to see what the amazing modding community will come up with in early 2016 when the Creation Kit rolls out.
This is actually my usual plan when it comes to these games, but the possibility of an solid port on the PS4 and getting it for 40 bucks via GCU, I was seriously considering getting this day 1.
Now I'm reconsidering that.
I think it would be a good idea to actually let the consumer know what their paying their extra $30 for...don't you think? imagine going to an restaurant, and instead of getting what you ordered you get an mystery box that costs $30. Would you buy it? That's what folks are upset about here.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I'm honestly trying to understand why this is problematic. Some people have faith that the content will be good and worth buying. Others would prefer for Bethesda to flesh out what this content will be before pulling the trigger. Still others might prefer until some or most of it is out and there are impressions before buying. Still others might just say "you know, there's enough stuff to play over the coming year, I'll just wait until they sell everything as a Game of the Year or Definitive Edition package."
These are all options available to you. There's no hard decision to make. I'm not sitting here between a rock and a hard place feeling like there's a big gamble either way that they might either steal my hard-earned money from me with a subpar product or I might miss out on great content.
No "we all" don't. Speak for yourself. Some people have no problem rewarding developers who have proverb themselves.
Depending on the restaurants reputation, I would.
Would those people at the restaurant still be upset if they knew what they were getting for $40 btw?
If Season Passes were actually time based I would have more of an issue with this, but they're not. I agree that it's pretty silly to already dump money on content that isn't detailed at all, but there's no punishment for waiting even if you may be interested.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
If it is so shitty a counter argument, then why don't you properly address it? If you're not into buying a promise for future content at a discount, then don't. Let others take the risk and do it if they want to.
"There is no hyperbole, season passes shouldn't exist" - I loved that line. Quite ironic.
"But the audacity that a company can come out and promise you nothing for $30" - Again, hyperbolic as fuck. Did you even read the post? The promise is for at minimum $40 worth of content which would consist of all the DLC content they sell meaning it could be more than $40 sold separately. That is not a lack of a promise. If that is a promise you don't like, then don't buy.
Sorry if the easy to understand and convey "counter argument" fits so many of this outrage response threads. I frankly don't pay that much attention. But perhaps it says something about the things you get mad about.
Beelzebufo
Banned
The only season passes I've learned to avoid are WB's. It's like you always get cheated some way.
Starfield
Member
People doubting Bethesda won't deliver after Bloodmoon, Shivering Isles, Broken Steel, Point Lookout, Dawnguard and Dragonborn?
They're essentially one of the greatest when it comes to DLC and content + quality.
Dragonborn, Bloodmoon and Shivering Isles especially featured like 1/4 of new game content in relation to the vanilla game.
They're essentially one of the greatest when it comes to DLC and content + quality.
Dragonborn, Bloodmoon and Shivering Isles especially featured like 1/4 of new game content in relation to the vanilla game.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Expected, but cool. I'm looking forward to it 
And will buy when I get the money
And will buy when I get the money
Se_7_eN
Member
Agreed, but you can't expect people to think rationally like this... Especially with all the "Never preorder" bullshit going around.
Solid Samus
Banned
lmao, I'm gonna start doing this every time a new game is revealed.
While everyone is getting all hyped up and talking about how one of their favorite franchises is getting a sequel and they can't wait to see more or play it for themselves...
I'm gonna be all like "WHAT? They only show us the title, and a small trailer, and they expect me to pay $60 for THAT? For fucking NOTHING? How dare they..."
because that's about how much sense all this whining actually makes
superseohyun
Member
wait 2 more years for amazing mods.
Starfield
Member
Granted. Hearing the words "Season Pass" certainly leaves a bad taste in your mouth when you hear it because of all the bad examples that has been out there. But since Bethesda are so good with their after game content I would put the odds on
90:10 worth it / not worth it
Bethesda is heavily favoured in this match-up here.
GHG
Member
Yes their track record is good but where is the guarantee that their future content will be good, especially considering you have no idea what they will come up with this time. They could be selling you Christmas hats for your characters for $30 and you would be none the wiser at this point.
Then there is the fact that we don't even know how good the base game actually is at this point. What if the game is a disaster (unlikely scenario I know, but stranger things have happened) and they end up folding as a result? What if you don't even end up liking the base game content? How would you then feel about the $30 you spent on that unspecified content?
Would you go into a shop and put $30 down for a mystery unspecified item with an unknown delivery date?
I just don't see the logic here. No wonder this industry continues to shaft it's consumers when people are defending this shite.
GHG
Member
Sounds like a pyramid scheme when you put it like that to be honest.
"Don't forget to tell all your friends to buy it as well!"
Bright-Light
Member
Gentleman Jack
Member
Of course they will. No matter how awful the game, people will gladly pay $90-$100 dollars on the promise of content for a game with a big name from a big publisher. It's the lifeblood of the AAA industry that doesn't have quite the bad reputation you think it's earned from past awfulness.
Horse Armor!
There's isn't anyone without a horse in this race that actually thinks they'll get that.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Even if their reputation wasn't good, I don't see the problem. My position is that people are free to spend their money however they want. There are certainly situations where companies will abuse the goodwill they have earned, and when they do that, they deserve to be called out. But even in this thread, people will cite things like "this is the same company that sold us horse armor." And all I can think is "yeah, and?" I mean, I didn't buy horse armor? Did you? If you did and thought it was worth $5 (or whatever it costed), then more power to you. If you didn't, it was optional content that you should have felt no pressure to buy.
Now if they sell a bunch of people $30 season passes based on good will that fans have towards the Fallout franchise and deliver horse armor, I expect that they'll get called out for it. Hopefully, fans that feel cheated will have some recourse to get some/all of that money back. And going forward, more people will be skeptical of paying money in advance for vague promises. But the rest of us? We'll feel glad that we never plopped down this cash in advance and nothing of value will have been lost.
Se_7_eN
Member
I have a hard time understanding how someone could actually believe Bethesda would do this, based on everything they do nowadays.
If you seriously think that they would put cosmetics for a single player game in the "Seasonal Pass" then you have a problem. They are not Gear Box, this is not Borderlands... Every single one of Bethesda's DLC's have been great for Fallout.
I am sorry, but that quote sounds uneducated, and down right silly.