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Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter
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Chuckpebble
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Now I'm trying to imagine if she just saw me kill someone. Still choked up as fuck.
CommonSense
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Any man with a child would. Got a kid? If not stop talking about feelings you don't understand.
nVidiot_Whore
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In most jurisdictions murder doesn't require pre-meditation. That's usually what separates first and second degree murder.
By the letter of the law?
This is a pretty clear Manslaughter case.. that he probably would never be convicted of because of the subjective nature of him seeing his 4 year old being abused, and the fact that he did only punch the guy a few times.
But legally, killing someone in the heat of passion who didn't need to be killed for protection is manslaughter in most jurisdictions. But due to the specifics of the case; likely no charges will ever be filed.
hydragonwarrior
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That's the thing - killing someone isn't as trivial as it is on TV.
HephalumpsAndWoozles
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The human body and head is much more resilient than you would believe.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Yep. Given the circumstances and that it's entirely believable that he didn't intend to kill him--and that it would be an extremely sympathetic case even if he did--no one is going to bother taking this up.
It took 86 posts.
shadyspace
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And on the most base level, isn't this the entire point of a father?
Tha Robbertster
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That's true. We'll probably never know whether that was the case or not. I'm just not a fan of people dying, especially when there may have been other options.
Kai Dracon
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It's clear that the father didn't even intend (as rational as it's possible to be at that moment) to kill the man. This one is chalked up to sheer stupidity and misadventure on the part of the molester in question. (Besides, of course, the fact that he was a child molester.)
You attack a child for ANY reason in front of the parent, you face the law of the jungle. That's as sure a way of putting your life in the line of fire as jumping off a bridge or running into traffic.
You attack a child for ANY reason in front of the parent, you face the law of the jungle. That's as sure a way of putting your life in the line of fire as jumping off a bridge or running into traffic.
I like to envision it went with the head exploding after a last punch ala FALLOUT.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Well, I'd like to think it's the entire point of a human being to stop a pedophile in the act of molesting a four-year-old.
Thagomizer
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There's the defense force. I don't know whether to be sad that there is one here, or surprised that it took almost a hundred posts for it to arrive.
This is why averages are so unhelpful. The reality is that people have died from getting hit in the chest with a baseball and other people have survived falling out of airplanes -- the deviation from the mean, in terms of how fatal an injury is to you, is enormous. Most of the time getting punched in the face won't kill you and getting shot in the head will -- but it's not guaranteed either way.
KittenMaster
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If I were the father in the same situation, I would not be afraid to go to jail.
There's a complete difference between what happened in this story and premeditated killing, In the most brutal fashion. And feelings I don't understand? Really?
freenudemacusers
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This isn't really a defense force.
Tha Robbertster
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Yep, I'm totally okay with child rape or any other form of rape because I don't think this guy should have died.....
CommonSense
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Do you have a child? If not then you would not understamd the paternal protectoon mode that goes into effect asap. The guy did what any dad would do, including yours. Don't fuck with a man's child.
John Rabbit
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fine with this. could easily be me if i ever have a child.
BertramCooper
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"Hey, you. You, guy. Stop raping my daughter, please."
See, that's what you don't understand. Almost everyone in this thread is openly admitting this guy should be dead.
grimshawish
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Not like he stabbed him or shot him as he ran away. It was in defense and whilst some rage was likely involved it was a defensive reaction protect his daaghter. Not only did he stop the assault continuing but he enure the assailant was unable to cause him or his daughter any harm. After all its not something you get caught doing then put your hands out ready for the cuffs!
The guy acted to protect his daughter and in a way that was fully within the law; as I say he didn't catch him then conspire to murder him (needed for a murder charge); and manslaughter doesn't come under the circumstances as yes he did kill him without meaning to but not in a way thats beyond 'self defense' (e.g. tying him up then stabbing him repeatedly). Anyone else would have had a similar reaction.
No idea why people thing this is beyond obvious defense, he was a danger to the daughter and then the father when he found him abusing his daughter. He stopped the abuse. The man died. The father would likely have wanted this guy either shamed or to know why he did what he did.
Seems pretty much an obvious end to some rather horrible events.
The guy acted to protect his daughter and in a way that was fully within the law; as I say he didn't catch him then conspire to murder him (needed for a murder charge); and manslaughter doesn't come under the circumstances as yes he did kill him without meaning to but not in a way thats beyond 'self defense' (e.g. tying him up then stabbing him repeatedly). Anyone else would have had a similar reaction.
No idea why people thing this is beyond obvious defense, he was a danger to the daughter and then the father when he found him abusing his daughter. He stopped the abuse. The man died. The father would likely have wanted this guy either shamed or to know why he did what he did.
Seems pretty much an obvious end to some rather horrible events.
nVidiot_Whore
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There are far worse things to be sad about then those who are over-sensitive on the "justifiable homicide" topic.
IMO at least.
Unless someone wants to actually justify fondling a 4 year old girl, I won't find the "defense force" in a thread like this sad or disturbing either way.. they are well meaning people, who just don't think it's right to kill, even for clear revenge.
Grinchy
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And he better not forget his manners. Offer the rapist a drink while they wait for the police to arrive. Make him feel comfortable as you check your 4 year old daughter's genitals for tears.
I think the main difference is one guy was caught in the act, and so the father started punching him out of anger and obviously and most likely accidentally went a bit too far. With this one....there wasn't any immediate threat so it gives a small chance that the impulsive aggression won't kick in. I think most would have beaten the old guy to death though. He probably knew that too which is why he asked him to call the cops.
Personally I wouldn't set out to murder a guy but yeah I'd probably just snap and throw punch after punch at him. I can't even begin to imagine the kind of anger a father would feel upon seeing that. There was a story like this a few years back with a European boxer finding his son being raped by someone.
nVidiot_Whore
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You can be sarcastic all you want..
But you think this wouldn't have stopped the dude?
Give me a break.. what is he gonna do.. "Oh hey dude, give me a minute, I'm just raping your daughter, unless you physically assault me I will continue, then I'll go groom some horses."
The "attack" on the daughter would likely have stopped without ANY other violence occuring.
(note: I really really hope no DA tries to press charges against this guy, I'm just saying.. it's a bit facetious to actually claim this was some necessary self defense, and by the letter of the law, he likely committed a crime)
Not only was the killing justified, but think of all the money he saved society (courts / prisons).
That's a little different from taking a blowtorch to him or cutting him up.
That's totally what my post said. Yup.
Not a Jellyfish
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No problem with this, a justified use of force.
freenudemacusers
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There may, in a vaccuum, be other options, but if this happened to me, I would make it stop in a very forceful manner, the long-term would be out the window. I really would not be thinking.
Thagomizer
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This wasn't "revenge." He didn't even intend to kill the guy. This was catching a man in the act of raping your daughter. This was acting in defense of a little girl in which the scum died.
Tha Robbertster
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So? It's my opinion that he shouldn't have. Or is my opinion nullified because the majority thinks otherwise?
Well then, what did you try to say?
Glorified G
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There we go! Surprised it didn't happen on the first page though.
He obviously didn't want to kill the guy -- and the paedo shouldn't have died, but been held to account for his crimes -- but the father shouldn't be punished for it.
I think even the most composed of individuals would see red if they walked in on what he did. Call it what you want -- momentary madness, temporary insanity, diminished responsibility, or something else -- the guy obviously wasn't in the right state to make a sound and balanced judgement; he was angry and acting to protect his daughter who was being abused right in front of him. It's not like he saw red and battered some guy who was shagging his wife, he was actively protecting a vulnerable third party. That's got to count for something in his favour.
It's an unfortunate way for it to end, but there we go. I'm not gonna be sad that someone died committing such an awful crime, but it's a shame he died before he could be held responsible for what he'd done.
Plus, you know, justice trumps the cost of dispensing it.
I think even the most composed of individuals would see red if they walked in on what he did. Call it what you want -- momentary madness, temporary insanity, diminished responsibility, or something else -- the guy obviously wasn't in the right state to make a sound and balanced judgement; he was angry and acting to protect his daughter who was being abused right in front of him. It's not like he saw red and battered some guy who was shagging his wife, he was actively protecting a vulnerable third party. That's got to count for something in his favour.
It's an unfortunate way for it to end, but there we go. I'm not gonna be sad that someone died committing such an awful crime, but it's a shame he died before he could be held responsible for what he'd done.
Who knows if he hasn't already abused other children? Now he's dead, it will be considerably harder for the authorities to track any other potential victims down.
Plus, you know, justice trumps the cost of dispensing it.
No, not at all. I thought that you were confused as to whether people had thought through their gut reactions to this story.
CommonSense
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Gaf: defends rapist who basically threw away any right of safe conduct the minute he put his hands on a 4 year old...sigh
nVidiot_Whore
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What he did was most likely out of anger, not actually in "defense."
You don't need to beat someone to death to stop a rape from ocurring.
IMO, it's revenge. IMO it's justified revenge.. technically under the law? There is no such thing.. hence why despite this probably fairly easily fitting a manslaughter charge, the DA will be subjective and decide not to press charges.
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