smh
He clearly said UNLUCKY. Doesn't sound like he's chomping at the bit to beat someone to death.
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Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter
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smh
He clearly said UNLUCKY. Doesn't sound like he's chomping at the bit to beat someone to death.
I think people just have different assumptions of how it went down. Which is useless to argue about though, because no one here knows how it actually went down.
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
The main topic at hand in the discussion I entered was about the vengeful posts of the users here. "I'd have done much worse".. my original revenge comment? Wasn't even ABOUT the OP.
But I really think at this point I need to unsubscribe.. despite repeatedly saying I think this was a justified kill, I'm getting thrown under the bus for suggesting it wasn't actually a DEFENSE kill.
Oh I'm a idiot to be sure.
That said, Tax money that would be needed to house a pedophile to rest in prison isn't worth it to me, much prefer the him die then get free meals and shelter for years to come.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I would not say I would kill a guy even if I caught him doing that. I'm not sure death is an appropriate retribution for anything short of murder.
CommonSense
Banned
Tell his daughter he wasn't defending her.
It's all about intent. He even showed remorse for the killing after the fact, which goes a long way to prove that he didn't actually mean to kill the guy.
So, I walk in to a room, see a guy molesting my 4 year old, I would start smacking the shit out of him too. At that point, I'm defending my child. Given the situation, nobody is going to fault me for going too far, because in that state of mind, what is "too far"? It's not like he was sticking his fingers up my dog's asshole. It's my little girl, FFS.
This guy is not getting charged with anything. Even if the prosecutor is bored, no jury is going to convict him. This has nothing to do with "Texas" (for once). Nowhere in the USA would he be charged with a crime. No firearms were involved, no weapons, just an immediate need to protect your child.
So, I walk in to a room, see a guy molesting my 4 year old, I would start smacking the shit out of him too. At that point, I'm defending my child. Given the situation, nobody is going to fault me for going too far, because in that state of mind, what is "too far"? It's not like he was sticking his fingers up my dog's asshole. It's my little girl, FFS.
This guy is not getting charged with anything. Even if the prosecutor is bored, no jury is going to convict him. This has nothing to do with "Texas" (for once). Nowhere in the USA would he be charged with a crime. No firearms were involved, no weapons, just an immediate need to protect your child.
As someone who finds himself lacking the capacity to hurt anyone physically, and always see death as a sad thing... I wouldn't think twice about doing what this man did in this case, inadvertantly killing the guy or not. The fact that anyone would not act in defense of their (hypothetical) young child in such a way honestly boggles me.
I'm not one to pretend that everything would work out perfectly fine and I could manage to non-lethally incapacitate the guy or otherwise stop him from both abusing my child and from escaping. I'm not so sure that I'd just walk in, have the guy stop doing what he's doing, and have him stand around with me waiting for the police to take him away.
I'm not one to pretend that everything would work out perfectly fine and I could manage to non-lethally incapacitate the guy or otherwise stop him from both abusing my child and from escaping. I'm not so sure that I'd just walk in, have the guy stop doing what he's doing, and have him stand around with me waiting for the police to take him away.
Spiffy_1st
Member
Guys this is one of those situations where our 'moral guidelines' can't help us. Only the people directly involved can come to a conclusion if it was the right thing to do or not.
If you think it's good that another human died and he should be rewarded for killing, you're a bit insane.
If you think that he should be punished because he killed to protect his daughter, you're a bit insane.
If you think it's good that another human died and he should be rewarded for killing, you're a bit insane.
If you think that he should be punished because he killed to protect his daughter, you're a bit insane.
NEOPARADIGM
Banned
Fixed that for you.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
as long as the "abuser" was actually abusing the daughter, then i support no charges as well.
Pristine_Condition
Member
How are you saying this is intellectually dishonest? Were you there? Did you witness what happened?
What if the guy was bat-shit crazy and wouldn't have stopped raping the daughter even if the Marine Corps Marching Band came in the door?
Hell, we know that if someone is crazy enough, even the cops can't get a guy to stop eating someone's face off.
You aren't just being intellectually dishonest here, you are deluding yourself by thinking you know way more than you actually do.
I think it's disgusting that you are so judgmental of the actions of a father who had to witness the sexual assault of his own 4 yr. old daughter. Where do you get off casting judgement on a man you don't know, in a time of absolutely soul-shattering crisis?
No, beat the shit out of him. I'm not sure I'd feel remorse if he died. I would not be thinking logically.
I would be driven murder someone if they raped/killed my family and got away with it on some technicality in court. To me it would be worth it because I'd have nothing to live for anyway.
TheNatural
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Good thing pedo child rapists don't qualify as human then.
MrMephistoX
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As a father to be in September, I have absolutely no problem with this. Hope the abuser rots in hell.
Gaf is getting better.
GoldenEye 007
Member
Eh, the girl was in grave danger. It wouldn't be unreasonable for the father to assume that a 4yo getting raped can easily have their life in danger.
obviously killing was not required, but beating the shit out of him was pretty appropriate response.
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
This entire thread has come to the conclusion they "know" several things happened.
Like yourself.
I think it's disgusting that you can't read.. and contradict yourself.
I am not judging the father.
I said repeatedly it was a justifiable kill.
You are also claiming to know what happen.. but.. oh.. I'm the one who isn't analyzing the 1,000 "what ifs"..
Getting the fuck out of this thread.... sad story... and GAF sucks for any conversation that is even remotely emotionally charged.
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
Fair enough I guess.
Moving on personally.. in a thread full of "I'd have done much worse" posts I'm being fucking lambasted for talking about vengeance kills.. this place fucking SUCKS sometimes.
Yeah. The key is when they have a child shrink interview the daughter. On the surface this looks pretty cut and dried. No 4 year old is going to be able to lie to protect her dad, so there's no question about whether or not he'll "get away" with anything. Gut check, though? You would have to want a guy dead pretty badly to unjustifiably beat him to death in front of your 4 year old. If I want to murder somebody, doing it in front of my kids is not really something that would cross my mind!!
Tha Robbertster
Member
I understand where you're coming from. I think I would never want to kill a man. Can't say I wouldn't do it because I luckily haven't been in a remotely similar scenario.
Marty Chinn
Member
I think the fallacy of your assumption is that the second he entered, the situation was over. You don't know that. Even if he stopped the act of the rape, that doesn't mean the situation is over. He could panic from getting caught and it could turn violent. People do that when they feel trapped in a corner or realize they fucked up and their life might be over now. The daughter could be in danger or even the guy could be in danger.
He didn't bash the guy's head against a hard surface or strangle the guy. He punched the rapist.
He most likely, like most people, didn't realize just how fatal punches can be.
faceless007
Member
ITT I learn there are only two kinds of people in the world: wannabe vigilantes, and child molesters.
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
Fair enough.
I'm moving on. I think it's pretty clear many people in this thread believed this was a vengeance kill.. they expressed how they'd enact their own vengeance in the same way.. not a single person discussing how it has anything to do with stopping the situation.. but enacting vengeance for "what someone did to their daughter" rhetorically..
Then I talk about it in that sense, and suddenly it's about "well what if she needed defending? did you think of that?"
Alright really done with the topic guys
I'd do the same if not worse. In situations like this you see red and your instincts kick it. To see someone do something like that to your child....initiate beast mode.
Maybe him rotting in jail would have been better. Other inmates would have had a field day with him. But it is what is it. This man won't bother any children anymore and that makes me happy.
Maybe him rotting in jail would have been better. Other inmates would have had a field day with him. But it is what is it. This man won't bother any children anymore and that makes me happy.
Baconsammy
Banned
No one's OK with sexual abuse. That's just stupid. The penalty for it, however, isn't death, which based on his reaction he didn't intend inflict upon the perpetrator. I'd be entirely OK with him getting off with no charges.
Pristine_Condition
Member
I'm going by what's being reported. A man killed a criminal by punching him in the head. He didn't even have time or forethought to pick up a weapon, according to the information we have. He is "very remorseful" and didn't know the man would die, according to the information we have.
You are calling it a "vengeance kill," and assuming that the rape would have stopped and everything would have been fine if the father had just walked in the room.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
a normal person also wouldnt want to kill someone either. so whether or not you would "normally" kill someone in a certain situation is meaningless.
Not really a fan of vigilante justice, but in this particular type of case I have no issues at all with reading that the rapist is gone for good. I'm totally willing to believe that in the heat of the moment, with the surge of adrenaline and the effects that has on your mindstate, that one can end up being quite a bit more aggressive than intended in the conscious mind. This is, after all, one of the absolute worst of crimes a human can commit, and as such I can only imagine the outrage, anger, and horror that the dad must have felt when stumbling into that scene.
I just hope the girl, who already suffered enough at being molested, didn't see too much of the aftermath.
I just hope the girl, who already suffered enough at being molested, didn't see too much of the aftermath.
SnakeswithLasers
Member
Sexual abuse in children can actually cause physical damage, so the father was defending her safety, both emotionally and physically.
I also don't think you're defending the guy who is dead, just to be clear.
dark_chris
Member
Why are there people trying to find a definition to make the guy who killed him bad? Wtf is wrong with you people? He was molesting his daughter and caught him, and he killed him in that act. The police sided with him on this.
What is there to discuss other than "Awesome, he got what he deserved" which is true!
It wasn't murder or a crime what he did. Period. Even the police will let it go.
What is there to discuss other than "Awesome, he got what he deserved" which is true!
It wasn't murder or a crime what he did. Period. Even the police will let it go.
I think this is the part that some here are not paying enough attention to, and what is causing the disagreements in this thread. The father attacked in order to stop the abuser, and he unintentionally used lethal force (which in itself is understandable considering it's easy to cross that line when you're in such an emotional state). From what it seems, it wasn't intentional murder, nor an act of vengeance.
I'd be lying, though, if I said that I don't think the abuser deserved what happened to him.
Spiffy_1st
Member
I know these arguments on GAF are just circles because they actually require intellectual thought, but can everyone understand why saying things like this can be seen as bad?
I mean, feeling good about a story that involves child rape and someone dying...come on. It's ok if that's what you're into, but at least understand why someone would disagree with you.
Seriously curious question; do you have a kid?
I don't, but I can certainly see that seeing someone raping my 4 year old daughter would make me do something I'd never done before. It would only be if I could see through the plumes of smoke, and realise that killing the man will make nothing different, and in fact, doing it would probably put added strain on my daughter, both in the experience and in potentially having a locked up father.
It's probably just about the worst thing ever, though. The fucker didn't "have it coming", and it's not morally defensible, but we shouldn't pretend like we wouldn't have done everything to protect our daughter in such a situation. I'm sure a part of our evolutionistic brains are set up to eliminate such factors from our lives, thus enabling us to rage and kill.
I am not sure you're responding to the post you think you're responding to. That has nothing to do with the point I was making.
However, yes, I do believe most "normal" fathers would want serious harm to come to their daughter's molester. If you don't have a daughter, your opinion is nullified. Sorry. I have a five year old daughter, and can safely say I wouldn't lose any sleep if I accidentally killed the dude. If you can find a father of a young girl who disagrees, I will show you a world full of unicorns and Care Bears, because that doesn't fucking exist either.
It is inevitable when you're dealing with a huge forum that has giant differences in both maturity and knowledge of how the world works. My old man has been a social worker with Children's Protective Services for around 30 years, and I could tell you stories that would cause you not to sleep tonight. People would change their minds very quickly if only they know not only how prevalent this kind of shit is, but the kind of diseased things that people can do to children. It goes far, far beyond what most people can imagine.
fierrotlepou
Member
He deserved it. Fucking defense force in this thread can kiss my ass.
Epsilon-delta
Banned
It's a whole different ballgame when you have children of your own. When the father saw what was happening to his daughter, I can imagine he never punched anyone so hard in his life.
The amount of adrenaline going through his veins in that situation and the fact it was by an apparent family acquaintance, sent him into hulk mode that it probably took a few punches to end the child molester.
The amount of adrenaline going through his veins in that situation and the fact it was by an apparent family acquaintance, sent him into hulk mode that it probably took a few punches to end the child molester.
CommonSense
Banned
Amen. Forever alone gaf sometimes speaks on things they can't understand.
I wouldn't be surprised if the first punched killed the guy, to be honest.
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