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Halo 5 Guardians: #huntthetruth
- Thread starter Wario64
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BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
what? in terms of level design, Halo 3 is a far better with lot more option to approach. Story is still debatable. But to me Halo 3 has better storytelling and world design.
Buttonbasher
Member
World building means lore type stuff, not level design.
The parallel stories with Chief and Arby were fantastic. That structure, and eventually merging their motivations was great, especially as lead-up to the political ceasefire that the UNSC/Covenant would come into in H3. Having THE general who was fucking up the human forces in the Human/Covenant war as a playable character was awesome.
ProfessorMoran
Member
I think he cited valid examples of why Halo 4 has major flaws in how it handled the characters as well as supported his premise that 343i is inept when it comes to handling the Halo series and why while supporters of Halo 4 and 343i might be entitled to their opinion that Halo 4 is a good game and 343i are competent caretakers of the Halo IP, their opinion can be proven wrong.
One can certainly criticize an opinion, just because it's an "opinion" doesn't mean somehow it's completely immune to criticisms and ridicule, some idiot out there might hold the opinion that shit-eating is a good thing or that we should just hug it out with terrorists but we all know it's a fucking stupid opinion.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Your examples are tangential at best; when one is discussing the quality of a piece of entertainment, or art, so lofty a term could apply, nothing (nothing!) other than the viewer, reader, player, etc. matters.
ProfessorMoran
Member
Ok, let me use an example relevant to entertainment, if one is to express the opinion that Pauly Shores' In the army now is a better movie than Saving Private Ryan, he would get fucking laughed at and the people ridiculing such an opinion would be completely right, that said, such a person is still entitled to such an opinion, however stupid it is.
When one is discussing whether the way the writers portrayed the characters make sense, it's not just all about "feelz', there's a brutal war going on, people don't rise to the positions of power when they're outright incompetent idiots, because incompetent idiots during times of hardship tend not to be able to make it out alive, this is where 343i is lacking in their storytelling. The covenant didn't spare the weak and the stupid, they weed them out, Spartans didn't get to become Spartans because they're a bunch of loudmouth dudebro morons, you don't get to command an interstellar warship when you're a complete coward, you don't get to command a squadron of Spartans when you don't even respect the scientists whose expertise keeps you alive on the battlefield, it was clear that Ensemble told a better story than 343i.
MrGreencastle
Member
...so any ETA on the new Soundcloud thing for today?
Twin Tails
Member
same time as last week
Poodlestrike
Banned
Okay, let's break this down.
-People do rise to power despite being incompetent. This happens constantly, both in real life and in fiction. Del Rio, however, isn't incompetent; he's a capable administrator who is simply wildly unsuited for the task at hand. He's in the position he's in because of politics. This is entirely believable. Could he have been handled better? Yes. Does his presence and actions strain credulity in the way you're suggesting? No.
-Spartans IVs got to be Spartan IVs by being the best of the best. They're incredible soldiers, nothing else matters. Palmer having little respect for the Infinity's science crew is entirely believable, and is, in fact, a longstanding trope; us working stiffs vs. the ivory tower types. Now, it might make her a bad person, but that's not really relevant here.
The quality of a story is, again, entirely subjective. Even what are, to you, incredible glaring faults might not even register to another viewer. Pacific Rim, for instance, is riddled with various levels of lunacy, but I love it anyway, because that stuff simply doesn't matter to me. To somebody else, it could completely destroy the movie.
NEITHER PARTY IS WRONG.
EDIT: Oh, right, #huntthetruth. Looking forward to it.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I am on topic, dammit.
Haha I figured I would try and steer this ship back on course for the info later today. This thread has kind of become the catchall for all things Halo discussion so when there's supposed to be something 5 related, it's nice to be on that topic so we can discuss what was released until the arguments about the games start back up.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Yeah, the files are pretty short; there's not really a week's worth of discussion in each one.
I really am looking forward to the new episode though. He's finally going to stumble onto the real nature of the Spartan II program, methinks.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
Stinkles said today's ep was going to be dark
Are we talking Pride in Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood dark?
Or darker still?
Are we talking Pride in Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood dark?
Or darker still?
Chemical Rampancy
Banned
He's not talking about gameplay he's talking about story, the world building in 2 is the best in 2 of all Hall games.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Finally, something we agree on.
somebodyelseathome
Banned
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Agree Halo 4 was a great game!
Halo 3's storytelling is absolutely awful. That's not even considering the blatant character assassination of so many major players, including the Prophet of Truth and the Arbiter. World design is also pure shit compared to Halo 2.
I never said level design, but IMO, the story, story structure, exposition, world building in Halo 2 is miles ahead on Halo 3.
Did you play the beta? It felt great. Really dying to see btb
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
You do realize it only ended on a cliffhanger because of a disastrous development cycle that led to the entire third act being lopped off last minute, right? It wasn't even supposed to be a trilogy.
Chemical Rampancy
Banned
So?
Doesn't mean that we can't realise that in retrospect things clearly turned out better.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Incredible and Halo 4 doesnt fit together... Maybe you should try out Halo 3 or beforeThis are amazing campaigns.
I believe Halo 3 to be the worst Halo campaign of them all. I really do. Of all the Halo titles I've played, I place it firmly at the bottom of my list. There's just so much about it that I really didn't enjoy.
It was amazing, but mostly in overall concept and potential. The execution to me was severely lacking.
It most certainly is. Halo 2 is among the best in the franchise in terms of story and world building.
Yeah, cliffhangers aren't good, even if it was the 2nd game in a trilogy.
Do you realise how infuriating that was in 2004?
A game should finish when the story has reached a natural pausing place. It should not continually build and then just cut out. Otherwise all the story that had been building up to that cut off feels pointless.
Twin Tails
Member
Damn gud.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
I'm shook.
EchoChamber
Member
wow this is just getting better and better.
HighResTomato
Member
Really enjoying these episodes last one was good. Can't wait for this hype campaign to steamroll ahead.
DATABASE DATABASE
Member
ONI's about to come knocking on Ben's door
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
god damn, the part in the gym with the odsts.
Read Fall of Reach for more awesome sauce.
GringoSuave89
Banned
That's the guy that was beaching it up, right? Most likely an ONI plant as well.
Yup, the guy who supposedly was in John's bootcamp on Reach where John would take leadership positions and lose purposefully. Ben doesn't make it clear that he's another ONI interview but the way he prefaces it and the ODST interview differently makes it seems so.
Youta Mottenai
Member
Nah, ONI plays by the rules. Admiral Parangosky, bless her soul, would be shocked with this kind of insinuations.
Irresistable Thing
Member
Makes me wonder if this guy is going to be alive by the end of the series...