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I found a vagina in Watch Dogs 2 and Sony suspended me (Update: Ban lifted)

muteki

Member
I wouldn't be surprised if no one at Sony has ever actually thought about this lol

I remember back when Senran Kagura Estival Vs came out and they had the changing room glitch Sony just had sharing for the game disabled. Not sure if it ever got re-enabled after that.
 

mjc

Member
So it's unreasonable for you to think someone wouldn't like looking at pictures from their friends until they didn't? I bet the people who reported him did unfriend him. It doesn't have to be either or; the report function exists for a reason. And you certainly can't control how people are going to use the report function, or what they get offended by. But if I uploaded a picture of digital genitals to PSN or NeoGaf, I'd expect at the very least to get reported. So at that point you're rolling the dice on moderation.

So someone reported, and then Sony's moderation team made a decision off that. So really what we're arguing is, does Sony have final say in what gets shared on PSN or do you and I? What do you think the answer is to that question?

If Sony wants to punish the gamer instead of the developer, that's a damn slippery slope.
 

Stranya

Member
So it's unreasonable for you to think someone wouldn't like looking at pictures from their friends until they didn't? I bet the people who reported him did unfriend him. It doesn't have to be either or; the report function exists for a reason. And you certainly can't control how people are going to use the report function, or what they get offended by. But if I uploaded a picture of digital genitals to PSN or NeoGaf, I'd expect at the very least to get reported. So at that point you're rolling the dice on moderation.

So someone reported, and then Sony's moderation team made a decision off that. So really what we're arguing is, does Sony have final say in what gets shared on PSN or do you and I? What do you think the answer is to that question?
The answer is Sony, of course - but surely then, it is incumbent on Sony to provide clearer guidance on what is and is not acceptable conduct? You can safely share an image of a game character shot in the head or cut to pieces (looking at you, MK).
 
Like someone else said, kids will see it anyway. They will have watched porn and masturbated to sleep thousands of times by the age of 10 even if parents turn Safe Search on. People seem to be worried about virtual vaginas but are okay with these same children playing games where they can decapitate grandmas...

With things like this, I can't help but think about Helen Lovejoy and her popular "Will someone please think of the children?" dialogue line in The Simpsons. Let's think about the children! But in reality, it's more about the fact that (adult) people still feel disgusted with the depiction of the human body in videogames.

A bit sad that nudity is still taboo.


I'm all about destroying taboo, but instead of thinking that every parent concerned must be an hipocrite, don't you think that parents have the right to hold accountable Sony for what they let share from a M rated game? You're dismissing the problem, but that weakens your argument imo. If people are of the appropriate age, let them watch sex or violence if they so choose. You saying that children have already had thge opportunity to have seen worse, goes against that.
Also, I generally agree with your considerations about the sex taboos, but the upskirt view on a passed out woman may not be the best chance to fight those. Just sayin'...
 

Tovarisc

Member
People really think the 30 day ban came, due to this thread on NeoGAF?

They gave him week which is kinda reasonable, but then day later extended it to month. Only "online activity" between original ban and extension was basically creation of this thread.

#tinfoil

In any case month for something like this is just ridiculous and so out of proportion.
 

mjc

Member
you will get banned here if you post NSF pics in thread.... stand to reason you will get banned for posting them on PSN.

Difference is, the pic the OP took is an ingame asset. Do you think that equates to searching for a NSFW pic and posting it here?
 

Shanlei91

Sonic handles my blue balls
Difference is, the pic the OP took is an ingame asset. Do you think that equates to searching for a NSFW pic and posting it here?

Right. That's like if someone posted something on here NSFW and instead someone who quoted it got banned.

The extension is a joke.
 
Like someone else said, kids will see it anyway. They will have seen porn and masturbated to sleep thousands of times by the age of 10 even if parents turn Safe Search on. People seem to be worried about virtual vaginas but are okay with these same children playing games where they can decapitate grandmas...

With things like this, I can't help but think about Helen Lovejoy and her popular "Will someone please think of the children?" dialogue line in The Simpsons. Let's think about the children! But in reality, it's more about the fact that (adult) people still feel disgusted with the depiction of the human body in videogames.

A bit sad that nudity is still taboo.

It's not that kids won't ever see this kind of stuff, it's about how much we want them to see this. Personally, I don't think it's healthy to introduce sex and prostitutes to young children just for the sake of it. It gives them wrong impressions of how a sexual relationship works and how to treat women. We are affected by our environment. If I see sex all the time, I will think more about it than if I didn't. Why would you willingly show a kid something if it's unnecessary at that age? Making a higher barrier for porn is not just about being paranoid and overprotecting, it's about introducing these elements at the appropriate time.

"Will someone please think of the children?" It's a bit more complicated than that like I said. Also, I think you're being a little hyperbolic here by going for a very low age of 10 and saying that kids have masturbated thousands of times before that age. The average age for puberty is 11 for girls and 12 for boys and masturbating thousands of times would take many years at even if they did it twice a day.
 
Oh come on now, you sound like a pussy
har har. I agree completely with the poster though and will not buy another Sony product if this crap stands. Last straw for me. They're going too far.

The first ban was dumb enough but then he gets an extension on the ban somehow even though he's already banned? How does that work? It doesn't work at all for me.
 
What if you streamed the game over live on playstation and are just doing your thing, murdering civilians, but suddenly a vagina appears on screen? would that be bannable?

or just a still picture?
 

WinFonda

Member
The answer is Sony, of course - but surely then, it is incumbent on Sony to provide clearer guidance on what is and is not acceptable conduct? You can safely share an image of a game character shot in the head or cut to pieces (looking at you, MK).
Sure, maybe they should. Especially since common sense isn't always so common. In those cases I don't think Sony would ever ban you for sharing that kind of content - content that was known and rated for the platform. Sony clearly didn't know this was in the game, and OP clearly knew it wasn't supposed to be in the game -- and yet he shared it publicly over PSN, and some people, maybe didn't want or expect to see that when they logged onto PSN. I think he exercised poor judgment; either he didn't know Sony had a report function and moderation team, or he thought that was okay to share. And maybe it could have been OK to share... but Sony disagreed, obviously.
 
har har. I agree completely with the poster though and will not buy another Sony product if this crap stands. Last straw for me. They're going too far.

The first ban was dumb enough but then he gets an extension on the ban somehow even though he's already banned? How does that work? It doesn't work at all for me.

Well if you have an issue with it, then maybe you're next in line for a PSN vacation! Sony won't be pushed around!!! 😂
 
These "services" are a joke.
Hope they get shamed over this.

You should post a new screenshot of the vagina everyday until you get unbanned.
 

shandy706

Member
I thought the funniest part of this thread would be the pic of it in game, but it ended up being how many people had no idea crotchless panties existed.

Yeah, I cracked up when that first poster said something along the lines of "Why would you have panties with a huge hole in them in the first place?".

I honestly wondered if that was some kid posting from that account.

Not a perfect copy/quote as I haven't gone back to it, but I laughed out loud in my office.
 

Con Con

Member
This is ridiculous and Sony is making it worse by trying to censor it. If Ubisoft hid the nudity from the ESRB that's an issue for them to sort out, don't be surprised when players notice and it spreads.

Welcome to the Internet.
 

MikeyH

Neo Member
This is ridiculous and now ubi have said they're gonna update the npc and protect her modesty! Doesn't deserve a month ban.

Surely the OT needs a title update now?
 

Cruxist

Member
Microsoft should send this guy an Xbox One S, a month live card, and the game. They've been killing it on pr already, so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't already in motion.

But the shift from one week to one month is a little silly. Hopefully the noise about the situation brings some clarity.
 

Kinyou

Member
Microsoft should send this guy an Xbox One S, a month live card, and the game. They've been killing it on pr already, so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't already in motion.

But the shift from one week to one month is a little silly. Hopefully the noise about the situation brings some clarity.
"Watchdogs 2 with vaginas, only on Xbox" would be hilarious, but I assume ubisoft will patch every version
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
If he was banned already, what other reason would there be?
Yes. It didn't jump from a week to a month by itself.
They gave him week which is kinda reasonable, but then day later extended it to month. Only "online activity" between original ban and extension was basically creation of this thread.

#tinfoil

In any case month for something like this is just ridiculous and so out of proportion.

You're looking for correlation where there doesn't have to be any.

What if someone higher up than the initial rep reviewed the case, and decided a week for posting a vagina wasn't enough?

The second note even says a moderator looked into it.
 
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