BigMastadon
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I think my apartment may be haunted.
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Androidsleeps
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Is OP still alive?
Believing != open to the idea. If you believe in that one explanation, you're actually discarding all others, which is why it's closed-minded to do so.
There is plenty of economic incentive to prove paranormal activity. There's tons of shows and media attention to the most trivial of things that are construed as paranormal.
I don't get why you think people who disagree with your explanation would not consider such a thing. It's just not a probable explanation at all, given the evidence.
But you're giving an explanation. You really should trust your own instinctive mind less, and trust in your rationality. If these ghosts were real then there would have been documented evidence. If your eye would be able to see them, so would a camera. And so far, there hasn't been a single shred of undeniable evidence, let alone actual reproducible evidence. You can believe all you want, but don't call people who don't take your explanation as truth without evidence as closed-minded, since it's anything but. You're taking a de facto stance that there is only one viable explanation and therefore people who dismiss that explanation are simply refusing to believe, whereas the reality is that there are plenty of way more reasonable explanations that you are dismissing in the process.
And why would one not be? There are so many charlatans and gullible/impressionable people out there that I think it's only fair. Falsifiable/testable hypotheses are necessary, without it you have nothing more than hot air. Like in your paragraph previous, stating there are examples, do you really have any that are indisputable? Do you have any that are reproducible?
You're been amicable so far in my opinion, don't see why you would be on thin ice? Believing in such things is okay of course, you should just be open to criticism and discussion I'd say, which you have been. And it seems on topic as well, since ghosts are in the thread title.
dehalcyone
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Made me think... HOWEVER, considering that energy DOES dissipate under various conditions (it's all still relative, just spread out and "lesser", kinda like shooting radio waves into space), isn't it more likely that EMF readings are being generated by something else around the device? Since there wouldn't be a source generating electromagnet impulse or heat, and just having the residual "ghost/spirit/soul/EM" stick to the exact spot someone died for more than minutes seems highly unlikely.
Ugh, my dead head
Also, what if the intruder just assumes OP's identity now that they've won? Welcome to GAF! ^^
What energy that humans have are you talking about here?
You sound extremely ignorant. Humans are know to interact with ketchup/tomato sauce. Landlords have been known to enter their tenant apartments without permission. Dead animal smells have been known to come from places which are not directly accessable to humans.
But go on, how do ghosts explain ketchup on the wall? Are ghosts simply capable of anything like materializing ketchup in a splatter pattern on the wall? Or did the ghost carry a ketchup bottle over to the wall, opened it, splatter some on the wall for some reason and then put it back where it got it from? I would like to see you come up with a scenario that does not sound completely ridiculous.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Use cameras and go all paranormal activities
dehalcyone
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Dunno about ghosts, as I've never ran into one, but shadow people are more than capable of dimensional travel. Second one seems likely; they ran out of shadow k so they reached over into OP's world and borrowed his. The splatter is just byproduct of matter transporting itself through space.
And if the shadow just happens to have their computer set up where OP does, they might be overlapping hence the weird tech stuff. Or he just has Windows.
Blood Diamonds
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No, i don't believe in literally anything. I look at the most logical explanations first, but if the situation is simply bizarre, such as in this case where nobody else has access to the apartment, and there's a mysterious smell - weird ketchup prints over a wall, etc. I can start to consider that something outside the scope of human knowledge is at work.
I think it's far more meaningless and absurd to write everything off as "Lol you're being stupid, it's obviously explainable by X or X or X!" It's such a simple cop-out to belittle others and their experiences. These sorts of phenomenon are typically very personal and unless you're in the same situation as OP, you can't really understand.
I'm simply asking the most obvious questions to all the reactionary posters saying "Lol you dumbass there's no such thing as X, it's definitely someone coming into your house!" How does that make me ignorant, wise guy?
And how the hell would I possibly know what or how this phenomenon is happening? What, you think I have access to some kind of metaphysical knowledge of every phenomenon that can originate in reality?
That's insane, sorry
I thought shadow people hated ketchup? It is probably a couple of tomatoerians from the HeinZ system who had sex up against the OPs wall.Dunno about ghosts, as I've never ran into one, but shadow people are more than capable of dimensional travel. Second one seems likely; they ran out of shadow k so they reached over into OP's world and borrowed his. The splatter is just byproduct of matter transporting itself through space.
And if the shadow just happens to have their computer set up where OP does, they might be overlapping hence the weird tech stuff. Or he just has Windows.
If the solution goes beyond the natural, it's gonna be labeled as stupid. It's not like you're proposing some undiscovered science. You're suggesting ghosts, which don't exist. You can't blame people for jumping to conclusions. PEACE.
So look here, you are claiming other people are writing everything off whilst they are only dismissing the one explanation without evidence. Then other people bring explanations X, X, or X all of which have a basis in reproducible evidence, but you write all of those of.
Sorry but you're the only one writing everything off here.
I'm not suggesting some typical, run of the mill Ghost explanation. Please show where I said that. PEACE.
I'm not trying to write everything off, it's certainly possible that someone came into his house. But under what basis would someone come into his house to put some ketchup prints all over the wall? Why was his apartment so cheap compared to all the surrounding properties? I simply think it's too easy to write it off as someone coming into his house to mess with him.
They might, and might like to eat ketchup. Peace.
"I don't know what caused X, therefore ghosts caused X."
This is the ridiculous point of view. Looking for a natural explanation is rational.
There's nothing run of the mill about ghosts. They don't exist. There's no might about it. The whole concept of spirits and ghosts is pure malarkey. Clearly the OP is just having a laugh, because no one should believe this stuff, or admit to sane people that they do. PEACE.
dehalcyone
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First I've heard, but I would like to think some don't like foods just like some not shadow people don't like foods. I mean, there's gotta be one that enjoys some good old katsup.
DragonSworne
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It's a ghost. Any word yet on the history of the apartment?
How can you keep the place clean if you haven't been near the kitchenette (and therefore not cleaned it) for two months?
DragonSworne
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Well, people can be crazy, and can do extremely weird things, that is certainly verifiable. I don't know why you would be skeptical of a human being trespassing into an apartment and doing things beside robbing, there's been plenty of cases of such things. It's also physically possible. That explanation has evidence for it in both humans' ability to do weird and fucked up things and it simply being possible according to the laws of physics. Now, your otherworldly possibilities, whatever they might be, would have neither. Otherwise you'd be able to provide an actual potential explanation.
Well you asked some questions that seem to stem from profound ignorance. Like a dead smell in the house but the OP can not find anything? How is this a baffling mystery? Rodents (or other so called pests) get into places you cannot easily see or even easily access. You see, most "pests" are much smaller than humans. Also you seem to be ignorant of the fact that people enter other peoples houses without permission and for a near infinite number of reasons, including landlords.
You claim you look at the most logical explanation first. Yet you somehow missed these logical explanations. That to me seems to indicate an alarming lack of common sense. It is not hard to imagine then that there are other people like you who get stumped by a bad smell of which they cannot directly observe the source. For some reason they stop there and go "AHA supernatural!" And thus a ghost story is born.
Yeah, when you take them one by one, sure they can be explained (whether or not the explanations are true is another story) - but they're all occuring in the same time frame - which to me is a little fishy. As well as the fact that his property is considerably cheaper than the surrounding ones. That is not ignorant.
And I literally don't understand the point of your second paragraph. If I smelled something foul I would of course try to find the source of the smell... there is nothing inherently supernatural about a bad smell.
Technically, everything and anything can be an undiscovered science. Not that we should assume they are, of course.
OldmanAndroid
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Maybe his landlord just wants a place to chill and watch TV during the day? Eat some french fries, accidentally shake the ketchup bottle when the lids off?
The jump from "a little fishy" to saying it could be the supernatural/something that has never ever ever ever ever been documented is such an enormous leap that it makes me hope you are just joking.
It's also dangerous.
People have given possible explanations. Explanations based on the real world, not your fantasy life. But you are discounting them because it feels fishy. Okay.
ANYTHING based in the natural is more plausible than this ridiculous ghost idea. A homeless man jumping out of an airplane and parachuting into this persons window while covered in ketchup from a local hot dog eating contest is a better explanation that ghosts.
There is no god btw
Huh? Where's this coming from?
Hmmm ..... OP never uses the kitchen. I presume he eats out a LOT. He brought home some fries. Dropped a ketchup pack on the ground. He unkowingly stepped on it. Later he found the empty pack on the ground and figured he dropped it on the way to the trash can. Didn't notice the collateral damage until he got home from work the next day.
Boom, Ghost.
Boom, Ghost.
Still alive. Camera should be here in next few hours. Best place to set livestream?
Get a good angle of the fridge or any entrances you think someone could use, that seems like the place to start.
Toilet.
Twitch won't let you unless it's video game related.
DragonSworne
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Claim it's a countdown video to E3.
dehalcyone
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Put a gameboy in view of the lens. boom, twitch twtchin'
Poe's Law here for me.
You think they are connected just because the OP mentioned them in the same story? You were so close to a realization *yeah when you take them one by one", but you turn away from it. Yes, likely these are all separate events. It is possible that the smell was there before but the OP didn't think much of it. But only now focussed on it because of the other circumstances, perhaps the smell comes and goes. It could be a coincidence. As they do tend to happen.
If you want to examine a set of occurrences logically you absolutely have to take them one by one until an actual link between them is established. It is extremely silly to think that occurrences are linked only because they happened within a completely arbitrary time frame.
We have a joke in my country that illustrates this: "what is red and round and if I throw it against the wall, a phone in the house next door starts ringing?"
it's a "pure coincidence"
You said something to the effect that "the OP can't find the source" and that this constitutes a mystery did you not? Just because the OP can't find a source of the smell does not mean the source of the smell is inherently unfindable or at all mysterious.
I hope you're not in any line of work that requires you to examine and solve problems.
Just some cheap $45 one I got off of Amazon I camera
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