Is that what's in the Asus phones? And even then, isn't 14nm a bit on the newer side?
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IndieGamerChick: NX more powerful than PS4/XB1, easy to develop for [rumor]
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Christ, no.
Graphics Horse
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Polaris is AMD's new tech for this year's gpus. (and potentially the ps4/xbo revisions)
But how using that would be a 'sacrifice' for the sake of getting mobile x86 I have no idea. Arm is a much better idea.
FairXchange
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Waiting for the announcement then pre-orders so I can lock in on one, love me my Nintendo hardware.
Astral Dog
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NX is Doooooomed
So, ps4k and xbone.5 basically put Nintendo back in the game?
If the NX is more powerful than xbone and ps4, maybe it can afford to be less powerful than the ps4k and xbone.5 which are basically a new gen. The reason for that being ps4k and xbone.5 games will run on the ps4 and xbone, therefore should on nx too. So NX might not miss on third party support until NX2, ps5 and xbox 3.74
If the NX is more powerful than xbone and ps4, maybe it can afford to be less powerful than the ps4k and xbone.5 which are basically a new gen. The reason for that being ps4k and xbone.5 games will run on the ps4 and xbone, therefore should on nx too. So NX might not miss on third party support until NX2, ps5 and xbox 3.74
It isn't. Polaris will only appear in a new generation, if it appears at all. The GCN architectural changes, and current low yields would completely fuck a mid-cycle revision. The PS4k/X1 will remain on the same GCN, with higher speeds and more optimization on die.
The handheld seems to potentially not even be launching until early 2017, so they have more time to wait on yields.
No. Its brand new, its also very low power draw and solves the compatibility hurdles of having different architectural layers under your OS if they wanted to use a handheld and console but not use ARM for both.
Fahzgoolin
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Can't wait for the NX reveal. I have a good feeling about this one. After the Wii and the WiiU, I really think Nintendo has a good idea of what they need to do to compete.
Their WiiU games have been great, so I haven't at all lost faith in their abilities to make great games.
I'm hoping that NX + PC gaming is the way to go into the future.
Their WiiU games have been great, so I haven't at all lost faith in their abilities to make great games.
I'm hoping that NX + PC gaming is the way to go into the future.
Poor dude, I feel sorry for you.
At best it'll be about PS4 level to keep costs and price down. Then XB1.5 and PS4.5 will come, trouncing it again. The only hope I see is if Nintendo release an expandable system - ala that patent.
Haha, that would be interesting if it turns out like that! I know WSJ mentioned NX may be planning to include a home console and one mobile unit but come to think of it I never actually thought through what that could look like in terms of implementation. Like, when I think "dock" I think of a tiny little box without a disc drive. Specs wise, I know last year there were mentions of a cleaned up WiiU as the console part (I think it stemmed from Miyamoto saying "It's a matter of the cpu at this point" or something like that) so I've personally been preparing for it to be like that, but then later on there was that infamous"Industry leading chips" thing. In any case, the unique user interface part is what intrigues me the most, if that's controller related or software related. This has been the first time I got to experience when rumors started to circulate about a console up to its reveal so it'll be interesting to see how it truly turns out.
Duckhuntdog
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That's a lot of carts being put in front of many horses. I am not sure developers are going to divert core development focus from 50+ million PS4's sold for the whopping zero PS4.5 out in the market now and relative unknown amount that might sell in the future. I am sure there will be a handful or more of PS4.5 specific games announced but outside of those, the vast majority are still going to target the already entrenched user base. Huh, that kinda sounds like what exactly happened with N3DS.
Duckhuntdog
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I doubt that Polaris is in either system, so don't spread this as fact, when it is most likely not.
Pokemaniac
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Putting an arbitrary limit on software like that would just generally be a bad idea. Lots of games simply wouldn't work on a handheld regardless of power.
Duckhuntdog
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I was referring to the console more than the handheld.
I'll fucking take it.
Pokemaniac
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Supporting multiple ISAs isn't impossible, but it's a can of worms that Nintendo really wouldn't want to open unless they have to. While most software doesn't care too much about ISA, OSes and development tooling very much need to.
Me too. Industry standart is hood enough.
Duckhuntdog
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Correct, it will be interesting to see what AMD (if AMD is involved in the handheld and so far nothing has shown that they aren't) has in-store for the NX handheld and how it will fit in the overall NX ecosystem.
But that's the issue, it's too new.
Recall Iwata's statement about making the consoles & handhelds "like brothers". If that's to be taken at face value, it likely means a similar architecture across both.
AstroNut325
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It's going to be a mobile SOC pushing 100GF and y'all will like it!
Pokemaniac
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Unless they have a really powerful x86 chip ready that's really appealing to Nintendo, we're probably looking at ARM for both.
GPU should be much more interesting, though.
Naked Prime
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I would still like to believe that the ps4k is partially due to the existence the nx. In the last year or so Sony has been kinda doubling down on Vita support. This was evident at TGS (not too surprising) and PSX. Although several months prior to that the Vita was a "legacy" platform. So to me that comes across as a direct response to NCL having a shared library across multiple form factors/ hw skus.
Given the Rift is $600, could Sony have not just added some SoC to the processing box that ships with the PSVR and offer 4k output through that and use that as bullet point to sell more psvr? Even if it raised the cost of the unit to $450, it would still be $150 less that the closest option and offer more incentive for ps4 owners to buy. So I tend to think Sony just ceased the opportunity to not get out shined. MS...I honestly have no clue how you spin an xb1.5 to consumers.
As for NX, would being built around Vulkan afford it advantages over ps4's api & Dx12 on say Frostbite 3.0 titles? All specs being relatively equal that is?
Given the Rift is $600, could Sony have not just added some SoC to the processing box that ships with the PSVR and offer 4k output through that and use that as bullet point to sell more psvr? Even if it raised the cost of the unit to $450, it would still be $150 less that the closest option and offer more incentive for ps4 owners to buy. So I tend to think Sony just ceased the opportunity to not get out shined. MS...I honestly have no clue how you spin an xb1.5 to consumers.
As for NX, would being built around Vulkan afford it advantages over ps4's api & Dx12 on say Frostbite 3.0 titles? All specs being relatively equal that is?
You should. I play the fool and make my posts look like jokes but they contain legit leaks
That's why I like this day.
Those in the know actually have a chance to throw some real info and probably get lost in the sea of fakes and rumors and no one would know till Nintendo officially reveals the thing.
I'm tempted to make a thread on reddit for this.
Oh please we have no idea what the thing is, the guy didn't even comment on the power he's just hyped for a new Nintendo system, dont be a buzzkill when unnecessary. Some levels of pessimism just start to get annoying.
I will make a gaf thread of your Reddit post. Then we have 3 sources which will make the leak practically legit.
TLZ
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The Wii u came off the Wii. The Wii came off the gamecube. The 360 came off the Xbox. These didn't mean much, did they?
Herb Alpert
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If you get the thing right, dual pixels will offer you money to get the exclusivity!
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Do you atleast know of people with devkits now?
Well I made the thread. Hope for some fun comments by tomorrow morning.
On a sidenote, the Nintendo NX subreddit is a mess. Constant rumors from no name redditors claiming to be a dev or artist or recently fired from Nintendo.
Here's one from a supposed pizza delivery guy who says he saw the controller: https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/comments/4cbhj7/a_quick_visual_of_what_i_saw/
Herb Alpert
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LOL
Only a handheld would be quite a swerve. One that I would not be interested in.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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lmfao
Being on par or a bit better than 3 year old consoles isn't really competing in the hardware arms race though.
Herb Alpert
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You know, everyone says this.
You may be right, but let's not forget that the WiiU happened. Let's not forget that even Miyamoto kind of "complained" of the low power route.
So, trying to at least match the current gen isn't so farfetched, even for Nintendo.
Of course they will be fucked by the Xbox one.5 and the PS4K, when games will be designed for them then downgraded to crappy ports to the PS4 and XBOX ONE.
If the GCN was a flop, what was the Wii U?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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a teraflop..
More like 0.2 of a Teraflop, am I right?
Graphics Horse
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response is a little muted so far.
I agree with the comment that a 'dock' makes little sense on its own.
A dock peripheral & controller which adds extra processing power ala their patent application might be viable.
Seen this before but what is the context? Is it where he talks about galaxy 3 or another time?