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BbMajor7th
Member
Why do people quote Jez like he's a reliable source? He knows no more than the average forum poster
Banjo64
cumsessed
No thanks.
Holammer
Member
and gives Xbox one of the best games libraries for consoles, even if the machine is a Windows 11 machine with Xbox branding.This destroys any kind of playstation third-party exclusivity
Oppoi
Member
Why do I get the sense you're writing this with a big mischievous grin?
Wildebeest
Member
Even better, a game streaming platform running on Linux server farms.Plot twist: next Xbox runs on Linux
Little Chicken
Member
...so, an Xbox
Topher
Gold Member
MisterXDTV
Member
He's just desperate at this point...
willothedog
Member
Little Chicken
Member
No......an "Xbox"
StereoVsn
Member
They will even throw in “free” Recall on top!
KormaChameleon
Member
What if Steam bought Xbox?
Red5
Member
I think it will, so will EGS and every third party storefront. MS has been very vocal about opening up hardware to third party storefronts but not for altruistic reasons, they're aiming to force their store on Apple and Android phones globally and not just the EU, them pushing third party storefronts on Xbox might get the ball rolling in their strategy somehow.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
So?
Physiognomonics
Member
It can't. This would be the final nail.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
....well, thats the root of the problem.
mayham2199
Member
They’ll just block Xbox hardware. Publishers can already block steam deck.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
The last 6 months really broke this guy
Little Chicken
Member
Curious to see how something like this would work. Imagine the huge sales spike for all those $2 tiddy games.
Microsoft outsourcing their store to Valve and Steam integrating an Xbox launcher could be a possibility.
Microsoft outsourcing their store to Valve and Steam integrating an Xbox launcher could be a possibility.
Tsaki
Member
1. Make PC with a green sticker slapped on it
2. Lose all the Live Gold (Core) revenue
3. Epic Games, Ubisoft, EA, Take 2 etc ALL delist their games from the MS store. You can access them on their own respective stores
3. The rest of the games are all bought through Steam, making Valve the ones to receive the 20-30% commission
4. Win???
2. Lose all the Live Gold (Core) revenue
3. Epic Games, Ubisoft, EA, Take 2 etc ALL delist their games from the MS store. You can access them on their own respective stores
3. The rest of the games are all bought through Steam, making Valve the ones to receive the 20-30% commission
4. Win???
Little Chicken
Member
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Valve wouldn’t have to lift a finger. It’s just another prefab PC.
Deeply stupid reply from Jez. GMG deals with publishers and other 3rd parties, not Valve.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
It’s rumoured to be an ARM system, which Steam does work on. Eg.
www.neogaf.com
Microsoft demos 'Baldur's Gate 3', 'Borderlands' running at 30 FPS on the new Snapdragon X Elite Windows on Arm platform, with auto Super Resolution
https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/microsoft-demos-baldurs-gate-3-borderlands-running-at-30-fps-on-the-new-snapdragon-x-elite-windows-on-arm-platform-with-auto-super-resolution-support-in-tow ...This to me is calling for an X Elite, Surface/Xbox branded handheld competitor. It could be...
feynoob
Gold Member
They can't. That is ground for monopoly.Man I can't believe MS will buy Steam
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
This destroys any kind of playstation third-party exclusivity
God of War Rise of Atreus on X-Steam-Box.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
He's a crybaby and a fanboy, but I do think he has an inside track with MS so I'm willing to believe him on this.
The question is, how is it going to come to Xbox? I genuinely don't think they're going to put full-fat Windows on Xbox; that's both too complicated (probably) and too much of a potential security/inconvenience issue for something they still want to present as a console-like experience. And designing a Windows UI that can 100% function with a controller? Probably impossible until they drop legacy Windows support (which will probably be never).
That's why I started thinking that MS could just work to have a native version of Steam on Xbox devices, but tie access through to Game Pass. Preferably they'd work out a separate tier for alt-storefront access but I guess that depends on how many other storefront they could get on the platform. For the time being though they could just make a version of the app that could run on the current systems and tied inn to the higher tiers that already exist (with or without price changes).
Ideally though they'd probably want to really save full fleshing out of this type of feature for new devices and structure new GP tiers to accommodate it. Regardless, they HAVE to find a way to monetize alt-storefronts on Xbox to have this make even a lick of business sense. Otherwise, they'd just be inviting people to drop Xbox Store altogether and do all 1P & 3P purchases on Steam. I don't think the financial incentive would involve having Valve pay a cut, though. Because in that sense, the prospects are worthless to Valve given Xbox needs Steam a hell of a lot more than Steam needs Xbox.
It's either this or they don't monetize it at all, but price the hardware even higher to offset things. At least with this subscription idea, they can keep the prices on the hardware a bit cheaper (so maybe a next-gen Xbox at typically expected console perf costs you $599 or $699 instead of $899). Heck, they maybe can keep the prices at the more expected $499, but I really doubt MS are going to truly subsidize Xbox hardware to that extent anymore. Cheapest next-Xbox at ~ some PS6 spec (assuming they launched around the same time; the next Xbox's rumored to launch in 2026 right?) would be either $549 or $599.
But hey, if you can access Steam and other storefronts on its (via Game Pass), run whitelisted Windows apps on it, and modularly upgrade certain components depending on the form factor (RAM, maybe GPU, etc.), $549 or $599 would actually seem pretty fair for that type of system IMO. And with some distinct value differences vs. a PlayStation (something Xbox hasn't genuinely had in 10 years).
Man what is in those nuggets you're eating? They're giving you bad takes every day.
NGL, accessing Steam on an Xbox (even if via subscription, which is likely how they might do it) might be appealing to PC gamers on lower-end setups looking to upgrade, but can't afford the top-end GPUs/CPUs and don't know how to build their own boxes, is probably going to be appealing to a decent portion wanting to upgrade.
And as long as they still give a console-like experience, that type of option along with more PC-like upgradable features will probably appeal to a big chunk of remaining Xbox console fans to stay in that hardware ecosystem, even if they're otherwise mainly on something like Steam for accessing their games. It'd just have to be able to bridge towards both camps while being affordable enough for them.
In both cases I think $599, maybe $699 (latter mainly for remaining Xbox console owners since they're probably among higher-spending hardcore/core enthusiast types) is the highest the hardware could go and still find a decently sized audience to sell to. Then they'd just have to work out what the subscription rate for accessing other storefronts would be (that would need to be factored into Game Pass some way, including restructuring tiers & pricing for them, maybe also including a tier that's just for the other storefront(s))
The question is, how is it going to come to Xbox? I genuinely don't think they're going to put full-fat Windows on Xbox; that's both too complicated (probably) and too much of a potential security/inconvenience issue for something they still want to present as a console-like experience. And designing a Windows UI that can 100% function with a controller? Probably impossible until they drop legacy Windows support (which will probably be never).
That's why I started thinking that MS could just work to have a native version of Steam on Xbox devices, but tie access through to Game Pass. Preferably they'd work out a separate tier for alt-storefront access but I guess that depends on how many other storefront they could get on the platform. For the time being though they could just make a version of the app that could run on the current systems and tied inn to the higher tiers that already exist (with or without price changes).
Ideally though they'd probably want to really save full fleshing out of this type of feature for new devices and structure new GP tiers to accommodate it. Regardless, they HAVE to find a way to monetize alt-storefronts on Xbox to have this make even a lick of business sense. Otherwise, they'd just be inviting people to drop Xbox Store altogether and do all 1P & 3P purchases on Steam. I don't think the financial incentive would involve having Valve pay a cut, though. Because in that sense, the prospects are worthless to Valve given Xbox needs Steam a hell of a lot more than Steam needs Xbox.
It's either this or they don't monetize it at all, but price the hardware even higher to offset things. At least with this subscription idea, they can keep the prices on the hardware a bit cheaper (so maybe a next-gen Xbox at typically expected console perf costs you $599 or $699 instead of $899). Heck, they maybe can keep the prices at the more expected $499, but I really doubt MS are going to truly subsidize Xbox hardware to that extent anymore. Cheapest next-Xbox at ~ some PS6 spec (assuming they launched around the same time; the next Xbox's rumored to launch in 2026 right?) would be either $549 or $599.
But hey, if you can access Steam and other storefronts on its (via Game Pass), run whitelisted Windows apps on it, and modularly upgrade certain components depending on the form factor (RAM, maybe GPU, etc.), $549 or $599 would actually seem pretty fair for that type of system IMO. And with some distinct value differences vs. a PlayStation (something Xbox hasn't genuinely had in 10 years).
This destroys any kind of playstation third-party exclusivity
Man what is in those nuggets you're eating? They're giving you bad takes every day.
NGL, accessing Steam on an Xbox (even if via subscription, which is likely how they might do it) might be appealing to PC gamers on lower-end setups looking to upgrade, but can't afford the top-end GPUs/CPUs and don't know how to build their own boxes, is probably going to be appealing to a decent portion wanting to upgrade.
And as long as they still give a console-like experience, that type of option along with more PC-like upgradable features will probably appeal to a big chunk of remaining Xbox console fans to stay in that hardware ecosystem, even if they're otherwise mainly on something like Steam for accessing their games. It'd just have to be able to bridge towards both camps while being affordable enough for them.
In both cases I think $599, maybe $699 (latter mainly for remaining Xbox console owners since they're probably among higher-spending hardcore/core enthusiast types) is the highest the hardware could go and still find a decently sized audience to sell to. Then they'd just have to work out what the subscription rate for accessing other storefronts would be (that would need to be factored into Game Pass some way, including restructuring tiers & pricing for them, maybe also including a tier that's just for the other storefront(s))
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Little Chicken
Member
The one where he dies and we never see the character again
Oppoi
Member
Sad but true. I will give you that chicken.
Holammer
Member
Users retained in the Microsoft Windows eco system.1. Make PC with a green sticker slapped on it
2. Lose all the Live Gold (Core) revenue
3. Epic Games, Ubisoft, EA, Take 2 etc ALL delist their games from the MS store. You can access them on their own respective stores
3. The rest of the games are all bought through Steam, making Valve the ones to receive the 20-30% commission
4. Win???
djjinx2
Member
onnextflix5
Member
Unless ms buy steam, there is no chance steam is coming any Xbox lol
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
No way they put the store on the system without Valve's co-operation.
Holammer
Member
MS talked openly about allowing third party stores like EGS etc on Xbox.Unless ms buy steam, there is no chance steam is coming any Xbox lol
Phil Spencer says he's open to bringing stores like Epic and Itch.io to Xbox consoles
Could PC digital storefronts end up on Xbox? Apparently anything is possible.
GHG
Member
I actually agree with you here.
They will release the device and then go crying to the EU asking why Sony and Nintendo don't allow other (by other they will mean their) storefronts on their consoles.
Sanepar
Member
Come on man do u believe in regulators? They just want their money. They will approve anything.
If it happens, it will be the end of game for me.