EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Steam and Xbox would be a unity most against this merger announcement think it’s a terrible idea, and that they should remain at war.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Like I said, it only makes any sense if it runs windows.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Phil is literally throwing shit at the wall now to see what sticks.
CherryFalls
Member
Xbox will literally do anything except publish a good 1st party game
Mister Wolf
Member
Going the PC/Console Hybrid like the Steam Deck is the right move. Put your games on all platforms. Position the Hybrid as more expensive than a console but cheaper than a high end gaming PC. Offer a cheaper portable variant as well. The priority should now be selling software and niche hardware.
cartman414
Member
MS store on PC; Steam store on XBox... is this some sort of reverse inception or something?
mayham2199
Member
Sony would block it. I don’t get why people keep saying this. Devs can already block Steamdeck.
Buggy Loop
Member
No they can't
That 2022 rumour was debunked. How do you block any platforms running windows, like really, I wanna hear that one.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Sony wants to put games on Xbox. They just don’t want to deal with furore it will cause.
This gives them a back door entry into their ecosystem. Smart.
This gives them a back door entry into their ecosystem. Smart.
pasterpl
Member
they would have to block steamNah, Sony gonna block this.
PC version of 'Death Stranding' is blocked from streaming on Xbox
The PC version of PlayStation exclusive 'Death Stranding' appears to be blocked on Xbox.www.nme.com
TropicanaTwista
Member
I have to be missing something because this rumor has been around for awhile and it makes zero sense to me.
1) who is the market for this? Could be wrong but do PC players really want a console experience and even if they did would they drop another $500+ for it? I don't even understand how it would work. If you're playing on this machine, would you still need an sub to play online games and what makes this different from just a PC in general?
2) for people like me, who are not in either the steam or Xbox ecosystem, if I were to get this machine, why would I buy games from MS when steam seems to run better deals and have a better library of games, including everything that MS already has? Also have the whole other deal of why not just get a steam deck or some other competitor handheld/ windows PC.
3) kind of combining the previous 2 points here. How the fuck does MS make money off of this? I can see them not selling the hardware at a loss and getting some type of profit there but then what. They're expecting this to somehow increase subs or games in the Xbox store? I just don't see it.
Again, I'm probably missing something obvious here, but this seems to target a niche market (users who game both in steam and Xbox) and makes it easier for users to not buy directly from MS.
1) who is the market for this? Could be wrong but do PC players really want a console experience and even if they did would they drop another $500+ for it? I don't even understand how it would work. If you're playing on this machine, would you still need an sub to play online games and what makes this different from just a PC in general?
2) for people like me, who are not in either the steam or Xbox ecosystem, if I were to get this machine, why would I buy games from MS when steam seems to run better deals and have a better library of games, including everything that MS already has? Also have the whole other deal of why not just get a steam deck or some other competitor handheld/ windows PC.
3) kind of combining the previous 2 points here. How the fuck does MS make money off of this? I can see them not selling the hardware at a loss and getting some type of profit there but then what. They're expecting this to somehow increase subs or games in the Xbox store? I just don't see it.
Again, I'm probably missing something obvious here, but this seems to target a niche market (users who game both in steam and Xbox) and makes it easier for users to not buy directly from MS.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Why not just buy a PC though? Because at that point it's basically what it'll become.
Then again, technically that's what consoles are. Budget-PCs with limitations.
salva
Member
This would be awesome if true. Although, I'm thinking of just running a fiber HDMI cable from my PC in the study to the TV in my lounge + VirtualHere or something for the keyboard/mouse/controller.
But I'd love the flexibility to play steam games on my Xbox.
So Xbox games going to PlayStation. PlayStation games going to Xbox via Steam.
But I'd love the flexibility to play steam games on my Xbox.
So Xbox games going to PlayStation. PlayStation games going to Xbox via Steam.
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drganon
Member
Isn't that pretty much what they do anyway?
ByWatterson
Member
Steam will take a 30% cut and Microsoft will pay steam a 10% cut and then extract a 5% cut.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
Every PC is an Xbox.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Ya they really are tech wise at this point.
I think it's just the plug and play aspect of steam os vs a full on pc that would draw some people in.
Ivan
Member
I hope something like this could lead to more serious steam machines approach... Timing was bad last time, I thing the market is ready for something like that now.
Compact arm PCs could make awesome steam machines and nothing stops ultra hard core ones to exist. Awesome stuff.
But Valve has a lot to improve in their UI.
Compact arm PCs could make awesome steam machines and nothing stops ultra hard core ones to exist. Awesome stuff.
But Valve has a lot to improve in their UI.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
At that point, does it even make sense to call it an "Xbox"?
IlGialloMondadori
Gold Member
I don't understand why they'd do this, how they'd do this, or any of this to the point I think its complete bullshit.
THE DUCK
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Why: To attract more buyers to hardware they sell, allows you to play more games
How: Steam OS is available for free to other hardware companies, valve has offered it up
Probably makes more sense than just releasing another more powerfull xbox......
IlGialloMondadori
Gold Member
It makes zero sense. How are they making money? The hardware? They don't make much, if any money on the hardware. If there's a steam store, why would you buy from the xbox store? The XBOX then would have to be just a windows PC at that point, OR, a mess of compatibility layers that MS would have to create and support. Steam would be a mess - would we see just a small selection of games that could actually work? At that point, just MS release a small box PC and call it a day, because any other idea is stupid as hell.
Jez doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about. He didn't hear this from anyone, He's full of shit.
THE DUCK
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IlGialloMondadori
Gold Member
How does it attract more buyers? Just go buy a PC rather than an xbox. MS is NOT going to release a Linux, Steam OS xbox.
Is this really what we're talking about here? You're talking about MS launching a Steam OS platform of their own. Just throw in the fucking towel on XBOX if the plan is literally - okay, our platform sucks, our store sucks, lets just brand someone else's stuff and release a PC.
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THE DUCK
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I'm guessing they would make money in every game sold on the steam store via a cut from valve. In addition, they would still have the Xbox side selling.
It wouldn't have to be a pc at all, a 2tb drive partitioned, one with xbox os, another with xbox. When it boots up it presents you with choose an os to boot. All plug and play.
IlGialloMondadori
Gold Member
It would have to be very close to a PC if you wanted compatibility with PC games that are designed to run on the Windows you run those games on normally.
Booting to other OSs, partitioning drives. This sounds like a PC.
Why would Valve give them a cut/deal with the devil? They don't need the small cut of the tiny amount of hardware this would sell for the headache this would bring. If they don't have a cut, then they have to rely on hardware prices giving them the value, which means no one would buy this because they could just get a PC.
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THE DUCK
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It serves a dual purpose. Let's say it's 4070 level powerfull, and it dual boots xbox games or steam games for $399. Isn't that more attractive than an xbox only machine?
Buying a pc for casual use is lame for most buyers, you can't even use a controller to turn it on. People wouldn't even have the thing set to the right resolution. It crashes, windows pop up, you need a mouse, etc, none of which you need with xbox or steam os.
THE DUCK
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It does but for the most part it works great on the steam deck. A powerfull machine will run the games very well too, proton is doing wonders and running almost everything.
IlGialloMondadori
Gold Member
Lol you think MS is gonna launch a 4070 PC for 399. They'd be losing money hand over fist.
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THE DUCK
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By late next year from what rumors have stated, I would hope so. Maybe $499.
IlGialloMondadori
Gold Member
Because the Steam Deck IS a PC, with compatibility layers maintained by open source and Valve doing tons of work all the time for it. That's all it is, it's a PC.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
LMAO “deal with the devil”.
Valve runs its business on their platform. MS and Valve have very good relationship.
Also Valve is a forward looking company from what I can tell. They even wanted gamepass on steam. They will go ahead with a deal.
THE DUCK
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So what, the Xbox is a glorified pc with layers stripped away. Ps5 is running on Unix. The basic idea is the console like experience is being delivered. And thst hard work from Valve would transfer just fine to a console.
IlGialloMondadori
Gold Member
So what is the point of the XBOX then? Why buy anything from the MS store? Why make anything that would only run on XBOX/first party games? Why would MS invest in hardware they have to subsidise and then get less game sales? For a console-like experience, sure, but MS is not going to subsidize a PC with a console-like experience just for them to lose money on it.
Tell me how this makes business sense to make XBOX hardware that will sell even less games on its own store and have more complicated software requiring two OSs, and still require MS to sell this at a low cost.
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IlGialloMondadori
Gold Member
100% bullshit.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
I think the simple answer would be to get more xbox systems into homes.
Why would someone buy games on the Xbox store even if steam os was there? I can think of several reasons:
- The only place to get gamepass (a huge reason for some people)
- To access games already purchased in the Xbox ecosystem
- prefer the Xbox user interface vs steam os
- potentially exclusive content only on xbox store
- likely will also run the games slightly better on the Xbox os side
- game sales
Then you ask, why have the steam os side at all?
- to access games already purchased on steam
- to access pc exclusive titles
- game sales on steam
It's a bridge.
Gudji
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Sony is far more adept at destroying some franchises (Final Fantasy) and even some countries console markets (Japan).
I have far more faith in MS cause they focus on engagement. Which directly means if your players are enjoying your games or not.
FewRope
Member
Is this a bit?
IlGialloMondadori
Gold Member
Yeah, MS is super good at the console market in some countries. Which ones? I dunno. Also they’re super good at their franchises, showing how much care they have with Halo, Perfect Dark, Fable, etc.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Who would they be selling to, though?
With them going 3rd party, they'd probably sell 20M at best.
Could be worth it for them, ofcourse, but it's really a joke.
Gudji
Member
Dude you need to stop playing starfield that's not healthy.