Nah, I still have PT and could play it a year from now if I don't delete it.
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Lionhead Studios and Press Play closed. Fable legends cancelled.
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Nah, I still have PT and could play it a year from now if I don't delete it.
Side note, I love the show but it has been consistently stagnant for the last two years. I think it's best days are behind it unless they overhaul their engine and assets, but they never will because of the annual cycle.
On topic, insane to me that Lionhead closes but Rare still exists after all these years.
WordsintheWater
Member
You're right, forgot about MLB 16 The Show and Sony San Diego has a hand in Drawn to Death which is also releasing this year right? Not including What Remains of Edith Finch which Sony Santa Monica has some type of influence.
Damn, I'm missing everything. It is 7.
Avenger54321
Member
Wow and the game seemed so far into development that they would release it first before closing the studio. I hope the people who sadly lost their jobs get back on their feet and good luck.
AncientDiety
Banned
Totally disagree, this year looks amazing, it already plays the most realistic of any game compared to it;s counterparts, how can it play like anything other then baseball? We'll have to agree to disagree.
OrbitalBeard
Member
So, how many first party studios does MS even have these days?
343i for Halo
The Coalition for Gears of War
Turn 10 for Forza
Rare for....Rare stuff
I'm sure there are devs I'm forgetting about but man, that's weak. Sony and Nintendo are full of great first party studios. It really does feel like MS is making gaming a smaller part of their business going forward.
343i for Halo
The Coalition for Gears of War
Turn 10 for Forza
Rare for....Rare stuff
I'm sure there are devs I'm forgetting about but man, that's weak. Sony and Nintendo are full of great first party studios. It really does feel like MS is making gaming a smaller part of their business going forward.
Willy Wanka
my god this avatar owns
I had very little interest in Fable Legends but this is sad news as I was a big fan of Lionhead's earlier output. Hopefully the people affected at both studios aren't out of work for too long.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
But what about Milo?
T minus a few months ago?
Best sports game on the market imo.
Yeah that game already failed...there was little interest in it so they ended dev and made it free
element
Member
They are already dead.
Hate to say it but this was a 'Wait, this hadn't already happened?' moment for me.
Fable was always Xbox's weakest major exclusive IP. Fable 2 was one of the most disappointing games I ever played.
This is good, because I feel like there was a lot of talent at Lionhead who will get good jobs and do good work on better projects elsewhere.
Interesting times for Xbox, though.
Fable was always Xbox's weakest major exclusive IP. Fable 2 was one of the most disappointing games I ever played.
This is good, because I feel like there was a lot of talent at Lionhead who will get good jobs and do good work on better projects elsewhere.
Interesting times for Xbox, though.
killer rin
Member
...Holy fuck, I can't believe I wake up and this is the first thing I read. Can't believe they are axing Lionhead
SEGAvangelist
Member
There is Mojang too, but that's about it now. Crazy how small the number of internal teams is now.
AncientDiety
Banned
Easily, it's amazing how well it plays, even after hundreds of games it ebbs and flows like a real baseball game and season.
GHG
Member
This.
I hope if any of the devs that made these games are still around they go the indie/Kickstarter route and give us another one (maybe under a different name?) on the PC.
I'm not seeing it as schizophrenic? Surface is a billion dollar business as is their cloud business. Analytics is growing every quarter.
I mean Amazon and Google are in the same sectors.
Damn...
Yep indeed, MS looks like a headless chicken and they still have to prove their value in the gaming industry for me personally.
Before someone brings up that old 'they revolutionized online gaming on consoles'...just stop it, there are people out there who feel differently about this, namely turning the whole console gaming landscape into one big dude-bro festival last gen.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Oh yeah, Mojang...that's actually a pretty big one, but I'm wondering if they're ever going to be able to top Minecraft.
Calibos
Member
After reading more and taking some time to think about this....In a world full of F2P MOBAs and MMOish survival games everywhere, did Fable Legends and project Knoxville make sense or were they just too far behind the curve?
Legends has been in development since before 2013 and has been in Beta for what seems like forever.
Knoxville just went into community picked development mid 2015 when the genre is already sort of saturated.
Maybe its as simple as that.
I really don't think this is the Xbox apocalypse or the MS being MS...and if you take Legends and Knoxville out of the Xbox portfolio, does it really make any impact?
The only sad and terrible thing here is that people lost their jobs and it was out of their control.
Fable Legends is not a MOBA, but I didn't know any other comparison that is close. It's an online Multiplayer hack n' slash strategy game with a few MOBA-ish features?
Legends has been in development since before 2013 and has been in Beta for what seems like forever.
Knoxville just went into community picked development mid 2015 when the genre is already sort of saturated.
Maybe its as simple as that.
I really don't think this is the Xbox apocalypse or the MS being MS...and if you take Legends and Knoxville out of the Xbox portfolio, does it really make any impact?
The only sad and terrible thing here is that people lost their jobs and it was out of their control.
Fable Legends is not a MOBA, but I didn't know any other comparison that is close. It's an online Multiplayer hack n' slash strategy game with a few MOBA-ish features?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Im not going to doom and gloom or concern troll like many here, but I will say this:- When your first party output is constantly being critised for being only one of a few franchises, your position in the market means you will get less and less third party exclusives than you are used to and the time to nuture to both a new studio and new ip is increasing every generation.....
You dont kill a game in one of your bigger franchises and shut down its studio.
Even if we accept that this is just one of those things and Microsoft is still commited to first party IP, where the fuck is it coming from? Outside of buying Crystal dynamics from square, I feel there are very few developers out there willing or able to create AAA IP for exclusively Xbox, and even less able to be bought and be pulled in house.
The other option is building one from scratch, which is something Microsoft has never done and quite frankly hasnt got the patience to do.
Under microsofts hand, Naughty dog would of pumped out crash sequels and would of be moved to some lesser kids franchises until being bumped off. There is now way they would of been able to move to Uncharted and for damn sure something like TLOU.
I dont think todays news is an idication of Microsoft is leaving gaming or anything stupid like that, but I do feel its about time people realise that Microsofts successes as a publisher very much hinges on a handful of the same tried and tested forumlas. Outside of that, if they cant get third party exclusives, they arent bringing much more new to the table this gen.
You dont kill a game in one of your bigger franchises and shut down its studio.
Even if we accept that this is just one of those things and Microsoft is still commited to first party IP, where the fuck is it coming from? Outside of buying Crystal dynamics from square, I feel there are very few developers out there willing or able to create AAA IP for exclusively Xbox, and even less able to be bought and be pulled in house.
The other option is building one from scratch, which is something Microsoft has never done and quite frankly hasnt got the patience to do.
Under microsofts hand, Naughty dog would of pumped out crash sequels and would of be moved to some lesser kids franchises until being bumped off. There is now way they would of been able to move to Uncharted and for damn sure something like TLOU.
I dont think todays news is an idication of Microsoft is leaving gaming or anything stupid like that, but I do feel its about time people realise that Microsofts successes as a publisher very much hinges on a handful of the same tried and tested forumlas. Outside of that, if they cant get third party exclusives, they arent bringing much more new to the table this gen.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Sorry for the people. The game itself was terrible though. Bad idea. Bad execution.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Well you wouldn't have gotten it from Lionhead anyway. EA still owns the IP; Microsoft didn't bother to buy it from them.
Papacheeks
Banned
Just goes to show you how MS never cared in the first place. Xbox division is being run from the higher ups it seems like. Why on earth would they make a billion dollar purchase for Mojang, unless they expected to make money from it off the bat.
Kind of sad to see that the XBox from original Fable, Otagi, Fusion Frenzy, crimson skys, are days of the past now.
Thought maybe MS would be the console corner for PC people to play games they like on console.
Since mostly PC developers are where they started when it came to developers on their first system.
I was hoping Phil would strengthen Microsoft's 1st party development. Guess not.
This is a good argument.
This is not.
This is a good argument.
This is not.
Calibos
Member
Halo, Gears, Forza and Rare(Sea of Thieves) is weak?
Who says they're going to be able to do anything besides Minecraft?
IMO (limited as it is) it feels like they wanted to reboot the whole thing and were shot down hard. But I dunno.
GankzyMcfly
Member
Been checking my email for the past week waiting on a beta code for this game... my friend got one like two weeks ago and signing up feels like it was a lifetime ago... can't say I'm not bummed. Looks like I won't be checking my email tn. Didn't people already spend money on some of the micro transactions in this game? And what does this mean for the NDA? Anybody willing to spill some beans on the particulars of this game now that its a corpse?
anothertech
Member
Feel bad for Fable fans. Game was basically done. Wasn't for everyone but I know a few fans thT would have loved it still. Guessing the marketing costs of releasing it didn't make sense financially. Or they wanted to scrap and redo it all after 4 years of work and this is the outcome. Dam shame.
Another blow to the xbone brand for sure tho.
Another blow to the xbone brand for sure tho.
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
Well besides those three Halo, Gears, and Forza all their other stuff is developed by 3rd parties.
Because it's arguably one of the biggest IPs in gaming? It was a steal at 2.5B. You think that was a bad buy?
HighResTomato
Member
There is no value to owning one now. All the games they announced as "exclusive" years ago will be available on PC for them to try (and fail) promote the windows store. Gaming on PC is great because it's so open, they are just trying to lure people and lock it.
They fucked up big, and Sonys success is driving them mad trying to get their fingers in each pot and lock it down.
AncientDiety
Banned
Yes very, when the competition has well over 20 studios.
RIGs and GT are also this year right? then there's Ratchet and Clank though that's not a first party studio. probably at least 2 more first party studio games this year for VR, but would not be surprised if a couple get bumped to next year.
You for real, now?
Outside of pure games, Microsoft's done a shit ton to benefit this industry--standardizing software featuresets, introducing as much plug and play online as plug and play games, prioritizing community involvement over just sitting back and watching boxes sell, et cetera.
You can push the medium in different ways from different aspects of the way people play games. Sony and Microsoft are no different in that regard--the only real difference is where that change occurs. Sony prioritizes first party content, Microsoft prioritizes community. Neither of these are inherently better or worse. Just different. You might feel otherwise, but this is how it is without muddying around with opinion.
Or however the fuck someone smarter than me finds a way to say it.
Man, I need tea.
Sorry to tell you this but other than small side projects they are making Minecraft...till the end of time.
Not an argument...a statement of the differences between the companies. Sony is doing good for what kind of company sony is.
They released a statement the BETA will close April 13th and all money will be refunded for any purchases. In the meanwhile since the project is dead im assuming the NDA still stands due to the April 13th server kill date ?
OrbitalBeard
Member
If that's all they have going forward? Yes. They have other stuff like KI, Scalebound, Crackdown, etc. but none of these are being developed by internal studios. That's fine but it's still pretty sad to see how few first party studios they have in 2016.
Dreams-Visions
Member
If you're not into (or are tired as hell of) shooters, all you have here is a racing game and a new IP of unknown quality. Hell yea the shit is weak. This is why lineup diversity is essential. If Quantum Break disappoints (hopefully unlikely) and Crackdown fails to impress (feels likely) yes this lineup becomes soft as twinkie filling.
Nah its okay...lets keep dismissing what Microsoft has done for the medium and what their platform has enabled for pc gamers. Its cool...its been weeks of this at this point. Thanks for reminding me its time for tea.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Turn 10 ill kinda of give you, but 343i and the Coalition are basically custom built factories centred around specific IP. That is not growing a game studio in the same way Gurillla, Japan studio, Naughty dog, SSM or Sucker punch are groomed by Sony.