Papa_Wisdom
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Played ok from what I remember. Was a fair while ago I played it last. Actually think the ps3 version is better as it was patched up. Whereas the Xbox 360 version wasn’t.
Also got a rerelease on PS4 with vr support I think.
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Microsoft also shut down departments dedicated to bringing Xbox games to physical retail
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Also got a rerelease on PS4 with vr support I think.
Syphon Filter
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Physical is going away eventually, the writing is on the wall. I was at best buy the other day and each console had very small space.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Something people tend to forget, is that online shopping has become normal.
A large part of physical sales in stores decreasing has to do with people buying product online.
This article mentions that 72% of physical game sales in UK were purchased online in 2021:
"While the amount of digital and physical game sales is still reasonably even, more consumers are purchasing their physical games online. In 2020, 70 percent of physical games were purchased online in comparison to 72 percent in 2021. This aligns with the Entertainment Retailer’s Association’s chart showing the decrease in brick-and-mortar stores selling games since 2017."
Digital Vs Physical Game Sales Hang In The Balance
GSD figures show that the percentage of game sales that were digital increased in 2021.
www.google.com
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Topher
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
PC = publisher games stores + official key stores + shady key stores -> price competition
Console = locked garden -> no price competition
One is not like the other.
reinking
Gold Member
My Target Xbox section is still full including three Xbox 360 systems. They have sold one of the 360s since last week. No joke.
games also don't have awful DRM on disc that was as restrictive or in some cases more restrictive than digital,I think people are how bad drm was on the pc before steam
what's the zip code of the store, you can see what games are in stock in the store online,
Best Buys tend to have 100 switch games and about 80 PlayStation games in stock at any given time, you couldn't potentially be lying now, could you?
many companies use their stores as distribution centers now, it probably isn't as necessary in European countries because of the smaller size and denser populations, but dropping physical games instore would make distribution more difficult.Something people tend to forget, is that online shopping has become normal.
A large part of physical sales in stores decreasing has to do with people buying product online.
This article mentions that 72% of physical game sales in UK were purchased online in 2021:
"While the amount of digital and physical game sales is still reasonably even, more consumers are purchasing their physical games online. In 2020, 70 percent of physical games were purchased online in comparison to 72 percent in 2021. This aligns with the Entertainment Retailer’s Association’s chart showing the decrease in brick-and-mortar stores selling games since 2017."
Digital Vs Physical Game Sales Hang In The Balance
GSD figures show that the percentage of game sales that were digital increased in 2021.www.google.com
Banjo64
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demigod
Member
Says he’s a pc gamer yet doesn’t understand why it worked for PC and not consoles. Fake ass pc gamer.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Make a console that comes with a drive and add the option to make your model that doesn't have a drive be able to add a drive...
But the "master plan" is to sell these consoles without drives?
There is cope and theirs crazy talk.
Topher
Gold Member
Open vs closed systems. Console manfucturers have tighter controls over the platform and the media and so there is less risk involved. Just has never been the case with open systems like PC and so the move to digital-based DRM was picked up at a quicker pace.
Syphon Filter
Member
It would be good to keep as long as we are here though. kind of like how now people play snes games from back then and its cause they own the game game and isnt at the mercy of a server if they can replay it,etc. Also lots of money wasted and less value,etc
twilo99
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I have a feeling I’ve been building my own PCs before you were even born but I could be wrong..
Ass of Can Whooping
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Boomer fake ass pc gamer
demigod
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Show me what you got son. When was your first pc?
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Yekshemesh
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Console wars use to be fun with memes and funny back and forth banter. Now all we do is spend our time correcting all the lies, propaganda, and the sychophantic executive worshipping from a pathetic fanbase.
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You sure those aren't the lego xbox 360s I can't believe there's 360s out in the wild at big chain stores.
MEGA Showcase Microsoft Xbox 360 Collector Building Set - 1342pcs
Read reviews and buy MEGA Showcase Microsoft Xbox 360 Collector Building Set - 1342pcs at Target. Choose from contactless Same Day Delivery, Drive Up and more.
www.target.com
YeulEmeralda
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If Microsoft buys your studio it's dead. The new EA. RIP inXile and Obsidian.
reinking
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I will have to double check. They had them wire locked so I did not pick one up. It would make more sense.You sure those aren't the lego xbox 360s I can't believe there's 360s out in the wild at big chain stores.
MEGA Showcase Microsoft Xbox 360 Collector Building Set - 1342pcs
Read reviews and buy MEGA Showcase Microsoft Xbox 360 Collector Building Set - 1342pcs at Target. Choose from contactless Same Day Delivery, Drive Up and more.
Kazekage1981
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MS to make an external Ultra-Blu Ray Rewritable/Readable Disk Drive connection via USB that can connect to your non-optical disk Xbox Series S|X and future Xbox consoles as well as connect to your PC confirmed (not really).
Unknown Soldier
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Your argument doesn't make sense because PC and console are fundamentally different.
PC is one continuous hardware platform. PC doesn't have "generations" nor does it have a single locked down store which can shut down anytime. The Steam you ran in 2001 is the same Steam today in 2024. It will not shut down like the stores on old generations of consoles and handhelds. It will remain operating, carrying the same games, indefinitely or until you die of old age. Furthermore, there are stores which specialize in archiving old games (GOG) that Steam doesn't have because they pre-date Steam. There are also alternative stores which are niche like Epic and Microsoft Store.
Consoles have generations and old console stores will shut down, making the games inaccessible unless you own physical copies. The stores themselves may delist or remove games for any reason with no consequence to them and no alternative for you since you must use the store that the console has no and no other.
Sony and Nintendo will not force digital because they exist outside the US unlike Xbox where physical is still 70% of sales.
Great collection. But no Halo Infinite?
Grildon Tundy
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I could buy two second-hand 360s at my local resell shop for what they're charging for that Lego Xbox 360.You sure those aren't the lego xbox 360s I can't believe there's 360s out in the wild at big chain stores.
MEGA Showcase Microsoft Xbox 360 Collector Building Set - 1342pcs
Read reviews and buy MEGA Showcase Microsoft Xbox 360 Collector Building Set - 1342pcs at Target. Choose from contactless Same Day Delivery, Drive Up and more.
DaGwaphics
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At this moment most official key stores and shady key stores also have Xbox keys. And retailers have independent pricing on the Xbox keys, so you do get some price competition there.
DeVeAn
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I don’t mind physical media being an option. If it didn’t I just wouldn’t care is all.
angrod14
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The whole "PC is an open plataform, has different stores" argument to defend digital distribution on PC while trashing it on console is one of the biggest fallacies I've ever read.
The PC market is practically a Steam monopoly. The "other" stores are virtually no competition to Steam. In some cases, they actually worsen the experience because they force you to use a different launcher that can be super shitty. Alan Wake 2 for example can only be acquired through the Epic Store, and is reliant to its servers to be up to even play. Recently they went down for days and people weren't even able to play the game they purchased.
Steam has the exact same distribution EULA terms as the console makers. It's exactly the same. "Oh no but they actually went out and said that if someday they go down they promise to make all the games DRM free to people", really? Did they wrote that on their terms? Until then it's pure PR bullshit.
I'll argue that if you somehow make physical games for PC today with console standards (playable on disc, transferable, etc.), the model would completely fail. People will keep purchasing their games on Steam. Even if that means they don't get to "own" their games. And that's because Steam was able to be reliable and stable in maintaining their digital library.
If Valve, which is a microbe as a company when compared to Sony, MS and Nintendo, was able to pull off a steady digital distribution system, I have no doubts these last three companies will be able to manage the same.
My point is, sooner or later consoles are going to be all digital, and things are gonna be FINE. It's not going to be this dystopian, post-apocalyptic, lovecraftian, orwellian, nuclear-wintered future you imagine for your games. RELAX.
The PC market is practically a Steam monopoly. The "other" stores are virtually no competition to Steam. In some cases, they actually worsen the experience because they force you to use a different launcher that can be super shitty. Alan Wake 2 for example can only be acquired through the Epic Store, and is reliant to its servers to be up to even play. Recently they went down for days and people weren't even able to play the game they purchased.
Steam has the exact same distribution EULA terms as the console makers. It's exactly the same. "Oh no but they actually went out and said that if someday they go down they promise to make all the games DRM free to people", really? Did they wrote that on their terms? Until then it's pure PR bullshit.
I'll argue that if you somehow make physical games for PC today with console standards (playable on disc, transferable, etc.), the model would completely fail. People will keep purchasing their games on Steam. Even if that means they don't get to "own" their games. And that's because Steam was able to be reliable and stable in maintaining their digital library.
If Valve, which is a microbe as a company when compared to Sony, MS and Nintendo, was able to pull off a steady digital distribution system, I have no doubts these last three companies will be able to manage the same.
My point is, sooner or later consoles are going to be all digital, and things are gonna be FINE. It's not going to be this dystopian, post-apocalyptic, lovecraftian, orwellian, nuclear-wintered future you imagine for your games. RELAX.
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GHG
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Stopped reading at the bold.
You don't know what you're talking about. The other stores people are referring to are not what you think they are. What a mess of a post.
I remember seeing these at target and had to do a double check myself lol I thought I found a unicorn.I will have to double check. They had them wire locked so I did not pick one up. It would make more sense.
//DEVIL//
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I find it amazing how a simple logic can be so hard on some people to understand..
Xbox physical is dead because MS killed it. When you release game pass and release the program where you can buy an Xbox game online and play it on PC, then no need to buy it physical.
Retailers are not selling Xbox physical games because MS is killing it. Not because people moving on to digital
Blue ray movies are not same level as games. 20$ movie to own is not 70$. And that 20$ movie is in my library I can play anywhere I want. Doesn't apply to consoles.
With that being said.MS going all digital is a very risky move and they are minimizing their Mind share . There are still GameStop and other stores . Best buy is not getting rid of PlayStation physical media or switch. When someone goes to a store. And not see an Xbox sign but some hardware boxes.. who the fuck gonna buy that ?
I really sometimes like to vote for the underdog . MS was one... But if the dog is stupid... Fuck it lol
Xbox physical is dead because MS killed it. When you release game pass and release the program where you can buy an Xbox game online and play it on PC, then no need to buy it physical.
Retailers are not selling Xbox physical games because MS is killing it. Not because people moving on to digital
Blue ray movies are not same level as games. 20$ movie to own is not 70$. And that 20$ movie is in my library I can play anywhere I want. Doesn't apply to consoles.
With that being said.MS going all digital is a very risky move and they are minimizing their Mind share . There are still GameStop and other stores . Best buy is not getting rid of PlayStation physical media or switch. When someone goes to a store. And not see an Xbox sign but some hardware boxes.. who the fuck gonna buy that ?
I really sometimes like to vote for the underdog . MS was one... But if the dog is stupid... Fuck it lol
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MikeM
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Funny thing is that bluray movies usually have codes to redeem for digital versions as well lol
Topher
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Eh.....if it were up to me then I'd jump all over physical Steam games were it a thing. Regardless, who is trashing digital on console again? When it comes to digital vs physical debates, the discussion is never about removing the option of digital purchases/downloads. It is all about the physical side of the equation. So I don't get your take on that or why you are dragging Steam and PC into it.
And no, the PC market is not a Steam monopoly. Come on. All those launchers that you say "worsen the experience" are direct competition to Steam. Struggling to make sense of your post my man.
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Toons
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Both can be true. Theyve absolutely been pushing in this direction but its been long apparent that it is going in this direction sooner or late regardless.
Hero of Spielberg
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Then why don’t regulators do something useful for once and force these companies to sell digital console keys on open markets like PC? I mean they’re obviously capable of doing it … Then you can go into a store buy physical or digital if you prefer and the consumer wins.
Hero of Spielberg
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I’d love if they did that for games too.
//DEVIL//
Member
Yeah .. maybe.. but Physical isn't dying in 2024.. this is just some damage control from xbox fans.
the same principle of " this game is not coming to my system ---> this game sucks anyway i don't need it "
Xbox games not selling well at retailers so they are clearing space for something that sells --- > physical is dying.
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ScHlAuChi
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no red ring of death guarantee tooOh yeah?
But can you smash those 360s and then assemble them again?
Pimpbaa
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I dunno if that image and info were fake or not, but the supposed updated Series X had no disc drive. Even if things were going well for them right now, they were planning on killing physical in 2024. Unless all that was bullshit than disregard what I just said.
Topher
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Lawmakers would have to create laws giving regulators the ability to do that. They may be able to in some places like EU. Not sure. Damn sure don't have the power to do that in the US.
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bender
What time is it?
You can buy digital codes for Nintendo and Xbox games at retail. However, it's only a subset of games that are available on their store fronts. That happens on platforms like Steam too, but far less frequently. Sony used to offer digital codes at retail but discontinued that a few years ago.
Outside of Nintendo, I'm no too concerned with the plug being pulled on digital libraries. And with PlayStation and Xbox, most of those games are going to end up on PC anyway.
And until Microsoft and Sony's refund policies are equal to that of Steam, I'd like physical media to stick around as that's the next best option.
Outside of Nintendo, I'm no too concerned with the plug being pulled on digital libraries. And with PlayStation and Xbox, most of those games are going to end up on PC anyway.
And until Microsoft and Sony's refund policies are equal to that of Steam, I'd like physical media to stick around as that's the next best option.
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MasterCornholio
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Duck duck kaboom?
Topher
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TheGreatMusashi
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A transferable license? Transferable to what or whom?
Are you deeply familiar with each platform holders/publishers/developers EULA or terms of use/service?
A software license in gaming, right now means jack shit. We own nothing but paid a premium to use the mentioned license until the platform holder/publisher/developer says otherwise.
Servers shut down all the time.
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