Chill Penguin
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Thank god they did. Without Microsoft I shudder to think what console online gaming would look like.
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Minecraft CEO confirms Xbox Live login on Switch, really wants Sony cross-play.
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Bustanen
Member
While Steve Jobs was rolling in his grave.
whalenapp81
Member
Probably easy to use and setup like these games. /s
Metal Gear Online (PS3) and Final Fantasy 11(PS2)
It would be like the PS2 online- players signing up for accounts with various 3rd parties.
Wait a minute...
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Metal Gear Online.......................oh god I'm getting flashbacks to painfully setting up that Konami online account.
CountAntonius
Member
lol Warrior. Psyonix solved every issue console holders brought forth. No crossplatform communication aside from a controlled quickchat. Dedicated servers hosted by them. No third party service to log into. No sharing dlc across platform which means no lost revenue for anybody. All technical hurdles already solved. Xbone, Switch, Steam already on board. What reason does Sony have for letting them play with PC but not people from other consoles? It's absolutely political in this case. They simply don't want it.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
You already use your nickname on the Switch.
It sounds to me like Sony is fine with PC cross-play as they don't see them as a competitor in the console space, whereas X1 and Switch obviously are. Why would they want to give their competitors the advantage of playing with PS4 users while putting themselves at the disadvantage of them not having to buy the console?
LukasTaves
Member
This. ^
So the details starts coming out.....
If this is the case, I see why Sony said no.
And I see why Nintendo said yea. They dont really have a dog in this fight.
The power of the almighty MAU...
The Artisan
Member
wait, so this interview happened before the Jim Ryan comments about the children?
CountAntonius
Member
This is the real reason plain and simple. Why do it though? because it's better for their players. A larger player pool for matchmaking is always a great thing and only makes matchmaking faster and more accurate. In other cases like Minecraft the ps4 minecraft owners are getting a gimped lonely version because of this decision.
Does'nt bode well for the future either. Developers tend to like unified player pools. I could really see this being a trend now that most people on board. Only game i don't see this happening with are obviously exclusives, first party game and games that depend on the console maker for servers.
GameCenterXDS
Member
This is how it begins... Sega worked with Microsoft on the dreamcast and look what happened. Nintendo now letting Microsoft in... noooo
Sega going down had nothing to do with MS lol
Chronospherics
Member
They already have 90% of the userbase for Rocket League. They're cross play with PC/PS4... and the PS4 version has almost triple the PC userbase....
Why would they cross play with XB1 for a such a minuscule benefit?
But not everyone uses those services? How many children with a Switch do you think have a hotmail address, or use bing?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Yall the same people who want Nintendo games on your console of choice but scared of an Xbox Live log in. Lol
Right but that's not a case of MS not allowing cross network play so it was a bizarre statement.
gaming_noob
Member
I would love to play Super Nintendo classics through Xbox Game Pass. Nintendo will make a killing from royalty fees.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Explains so much.
Thank you, Sony
Thank you, Sony
In the end though XB1, PC and Switch will get a nice pool of players. Minecraft specifically is played by more than 120 million people worldwide across many devices. And with everyone connected, Sony's pool looks really small.
"We need to get over this notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft must lose" - Steve Jobs, 1997
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
If we're gonna argue who benefits the most it's the PC. They get everything.
The Pet of the Month
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https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-to-invest-150-million-in-apple/
Unlikely bedfellows Bill Gates and Steve Jobs join to announce Microsoft's $150 million investment in Apple and extensive agreements.
May I have a preview and you tell me how you will down talk Gunscape cross play?
WorldofMiku
Banned
Yeaaaah. Jim Ryan doesn't know shit. He doesn't develop games nor do a lot of insides within Sony teams. He's just an EU PR bullshitter.
lefty1117
Gold Member
I don't think it's about protecting their userbase from a potential bad experience on XBL at all. Sony doesn't want MS to have access to their customer base, plain and simple, and that's what will happen if PS4 users have to sign up for an XBL account. Think of all the marketing directly to PS4 owners that MS could do...
How do you explain Gunscape and Rocket League?
I see this being a new trend in gaming, cross play between consoles. Nintendo are on board, they're even cool with people using their XBL account? Thats some progressive moves Nintendo, wow.
I guess when EA announce cross play for thier games then Sony will start to lose gamers and sales, probably the only way to make them play ball.
Pretty redundant, section of their base will move over if more publishers start centralising gaming populations. New games with cross play on Switch/PC/Xbox would give access to a huge pool of players from launch, PS4 by itself will not be able to match it.
I guess when EA announce cross play for thier games then Sony will start to lose gamers and sales, probably the only way to make them play ball.
Pretty redundant, section of their base will move over if more publishers start centralising gaming populations. New games with cross play on Switch/PC/Xbox would give access to a huge pool of players from launch, PS4 by itself will not be able to match it.
The Artisan
Member
this doesn't at all explain why rocket league crossplay isn't allowed so it IS sony's fault after all
Shin
Banned
One could also see it as coming from a position of strength rather than weakness.
They don't need the player base, what I'm getting at is that PS4 sold 60m+ that's a lot of players.
It's also the first company that will probably sell 3x 100m+ consoles, with PSP/PS3 being at around 80-86m on top of that.
No other company in the industry has managed that, if they weren't doing well then they might have had a different perspective, but as things stand they might not see the benefit in it.
And I know everyone is up in pitchforks in almost every thread (as they should if they believe in something, they should stand up for it), but it doesn't help to broaden your perspective either as to the why.
No company is going to flat out say "because we don't want to or because we don't see any benefit in it".
Before people start quoting about defending and what's not, I ain't I'm just thinking at all the possible scenario's.
They don't need the player base, what I'm getting at is that PS4 sold 60m+ that's a lot of players.
It's also the first company that will probably sell 3x 100m+ consoles, with PSP/PS3 being at around 80-86m on top of that.
No other company in the industry has managed that, if they weren't doing well then they might have had a different perspective, but as things stand they might not see the benefit in it.
And I know everyone is up in pitchforks in almost every thread (as they should if they believe in something, they should stand up for it), but it doesn't help to broaden your perspective either as to the why.
No company is going to flat out say "because we don't want to or because we don't see any benefit in it".
Before people start quoting about defending and what's not, I ain't I'm just thinking at all the possible scenario's.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
What??
Install base of hardware is not the same as active users of a specific software. You guys keep confusing the two.
therealbigrich
Member
Not even reading through the post so far I get a sense that MS probably being bashed for "forcing" Xbox live
Sounds like a "trojan horse".
and, btw:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
and, btw:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
Shin
Banned
Don't know who you guys is, but install base can help with active users of a software (if of quality, enjoyable or fun).
Larger player pool can increase the sales rate of software, which in turn can increase the player base of a game.
LordOcidax
Member
Sony, the last one defending us from a "trojan horse"
So the only way to cross play Minecraft is to create a Xbox Live account? It makes complete sense why Sony said no. I am sure if the situation was swapped (Xbox users needed to make a PSN account to play) Microsoft would also say no.
For Cross play to truely work you need a 3rd party account and matchmaking system.
For Cross play to truely work you need a 3rd party account and matchmaking system.
Just like UPlay, and EA accounts, Blizzard logins, and Neverwinter, etc..
Christocolus
Member
What? Lol
The Pet of the Month
Member
lefty1117
Gold Member
Not sure what you're questioning, but yes in all my years of dealing with marketing teams between companies, acquisitions and partnerships etc., one of the biggest hurdles is consistently about access to the customer base. Marketers would die for a list of email addresses to market to directly, and likewise the company that cultivated and grew that list is not just going to let it walk away.
By requiring cross play partners to sign up for XBL accounts, MS will have that info. It's a strong move on their part.
Someone asked what about Rocket League etc., my understanding may be wrong but I read elsewhere that they will be handling the servers and whatever registrations will be needed themselves, so it's likely that Sony has already agreed a marketing deal/restriction with them separately, as I assume they have done with any of their other out of PSN partners such as MMO companies.
It very well may be that Sony and MS could not agree on terms for direct access to the customers, and that's the "political" issue that has been discussed. We know that it's not a technical issue.