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Minecraft CEO confirms Xbox Live login on Switch, really wants Sony cross-play.
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Today it's free and open for all.
Tomorrow, when it will become a standard - who knows.
Are you serious,????? for example lest say that I have a PSN account with a gmail account, at the moment of creating your Windows ID it will be a new registration....I do not have registered that account to Linkedin, Outlook, Office, windows at all
In the same way that for example linking the account of EA they are registered to the e-mail account associated with the PSN account (They obtained the full e-mail and also will now that I'm entering trough a PSN device). That information alone is a lot
Candy probably isn't the solution
LordOcidax
Member
Minecraft is a unique situation where the game was already on those platform when MS bought mohang. I suspect if Microsoft had bought Mohang many years earlier we may have not seen Minecraft on the playstation or nintendo family of consoles.
It is true that companies cooperate in some industries and compete in others. Microsoft and Sony are a great example of that, they had a great relationship selling windows based latops, but they are also competitors in the gaming industry and this is the industry that this particular scenario is being played out.
Since Microsoft has entered the gaming industry, there really hasn't been a situation like Minecraft before, it is a unique one.
Shin
Banned
Not at all, I'm saying that they have a larger install base which in turn helps drive sales (which in turn helps with the player base for any given game).
That's just logic, doesn't necessary has to be the case but it doesn't mean that it can't be the case either.
To that extent they (PlayStation) might not feel the need for a unified player base, from a business stand point what would they get out of it?
In the end it's all about money for every single company, is it smart to piss your players off though? No.
Nothing against unifying gamers, I'm just keeping an open mind to the possible cause and why they refuse in certain cases.
Makes no sense. First of all, it's a Microsoft account not an Xbox live subscription.
Imagine the backlash if mobile and pc players had to pay in order to play minecraft online. It's simply not happening.
AFAIK Rocket League uses their own dedicated servers, which are the same regardless of which platform you're playing on, they just artificially segregate players to conform to platform policies. Sony only allows cross play with PC, so I imagine there are "PS4" servers which PC players can connect to, but not Xbox/Switch players.
There needs to be an open platform standard that handles this. Technology has gone through many proprietary hardware/software/service issues, and the solution typically comes from hashing out a standardization that is separate from a particular party. Online multiplayer needs to move to this.
Pop
Member
Yup. That's it
Right. Mine and every user in my home have an hotmail, outlook.com, Live or Passport account for Playstation.
So why require a Live login for this for ppl playing on Switch?
Why cant they use a Gmail account?
What ties everybody together other than using a Live email account? Email is email, right?
Do you know how oAuth works? You can use customers from other systems without storing their info (outside of an email address). These account systems (like XBL) simply provide an interface to authenticate, once approved, a sessions is created which gives you an access to the 3rd party (ie Rocket League DB) systems but as an authenticated user. This is how Google/Facebook/Twitter sign in works, problem was solved a long time ago. You get access to other data but Sony can control that through API's they provide.
wesleyshark
Banned
Good thing PS+ is free
It's not a live login, it's a Microsoft account. You could use your hotmail
You are parroting 20 year old information and acting like it applies today.
You know Sony was the absolute KING of all DRM pre-PS4? They helped invent Blu-ray, which, get this, was designed to require an online connection occasionally to be able to unlock movies you own (and hell, they were the only console manufacturers forcing payments to fully play used games in the PS3 era, literally something they cancelled the day AFTER their NODRM E3 shpeel). They invented more copy protection schemes than anyone else, and historically have pushed their own formats over standards.
Now they support nothing but standards, and have ditched their DRM focus. All a huge change from just 5 years ago.
Microsoft has changed IMMENSELY since the mid 90s when the DOJ investigated them.
The Pet of the Month
Member
I mean they could. It would still fall under as a Microsoft account when logged in, however.
Do you not have more than one email address? Most, if not, all tech giants allow email addresses from competitors to behave as their own account.
Garrett 2U
Member
You can use a gmail account to log into Xbox Live, I do.
Shin
Banned
It creates a Microsoft account, I just did it 3-4 days ago.
The Pet of the Month
Member
This, this, this. This problem has been solved long ago by companies not behaving like complete archiac LUnix fronts.
Christocolus
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Thats right, I've done that before on 360.
So you can use any email address to create a Live login....
So again, they want all to have a Live login, regardless of email used if thats the case.
How is this not related to MAU then?
Asking a legit question.
Because if it is related to MAU, I see why Sony balked and Nintendo doesnt really care.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
I promise you you won't
but you'll see plenty more posts suggesting the same bullshit anyway
Everyone thinks Sony is acting out of financial interests. This is neither new to anyone nor a defense. It is a explanation, which is troughout these threads as often confused with a excuse as install with playerbase.
Huh?
I was just suggesting that THIS can't be the reason Sony refused X-Play (we all know the true reason anyways), because they already do allow accounts to be linked to Xbox Live/MS via registration/accounts.
Hell if you use a hotmail account for PSN MS will have access to far more information (purchases, time spent on PS, etc) than they would gain from connecting you to XBL to play Minecraft so that's not an issue either
Here's an idea, asking the the same parent that bought you the console, to help set the account up for you.
Don't need to give the child the details, plus, I'm pretty sure it'll be a one time login just like how uPlay/EA Access works.
Flintty
Member
Is it a bad thing, making people get an MS account? Surely you need one to be given acces to realms and be able to join your friends. There's no other way of doing it.
Shin
Banned
That's on them, I'm not everyone nor do I have to defend anything or anyone.
So let's stop quoting each other and leave it at agree to disagree.
The Artisan
Member
are people really not wanting crossplay over a corporate statistic?
who cares if the MAU is improved by this? Let the marketing team have their day, it's still stupid that we split cross-platform game online modes across hardware lines, sometimes even within the same OS (Steam, looking at you)
who cares if the MAU is improved by this? Let the marketing team have their day, it's still stupid that we split cross-platform game online modes across hardware lines, sometimes even within the same OS (Steam, looking at you)
Arby 'n' the Chief
Member
It's completely ludicrous LOL
but hey if they can't see the benefits of multi-console cross-play then their loss
Absolutely not!
LordOcidax
Member
Yes it is....
MS did the embrace. Sony are currently making the other two parts happen.
Pop
Member
Looks like one of you screwed up and bought the wrong console. Tragic
The Pet of the Month
Member
No need for that much information, all that is needed is authorization of resources, not SSO for one platform that has hardly an excuse to turn down crossplay.
Not to mention, everything is already done and Microsoft seems to be waiting for Sony to approve. Why do they have to rewrite their work to play nice with just one platform? Makes no sense.
But everyone thinks Sony is acting out of greed and you explained they act out of greed, so there isn't any disagreement.... whatever.
Dont care, but this makes alot more sense than 'think of the kids', lol.
There have been some crazy statements lately from both MS and Sony's side these past few days....
Huge Succeeded
Banned
read this
and understand that the information you think is a lot (People are playing Minecraft on PS4!) is information that Mojang already has when people play on PS4. The only difference here is that you'd have a Microsoft account associated, and I don't see how that changes things at all, or what further information Microsoft can glean from that. Even if you use the same email you used for PSN email to sign up for an MS account.
Nintendo, of all companies, doesn't seem to give a shit.
The same Nintendo that was offered a Goldeneye 64 port if they let Xbox have it too and responded like this:
LordOcidax
Member
Awesome!
Edit: NOT talking about Minecraft thing:
What? The absolutely CAN get that data if they want.
Sony sends you emails of purchase confirmation right? MS can access your emails. So they will be able to know exactly what you purchased, when and with that payment method.
Edit: Was wrong about this part
Compared to requiring it for Minecraft all they would really gain from it is Minecraft specific which they would be able to get anyway from the game, regardless of if you're logged in with a MS account or not